Thief
Rogue Theologian
ok....good for you....Or maybe Jesus will simply ask me...''who did you love?''
and may He find what He seeks....in you
and all others you care for
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Has Saint Paul hijacked Christianity?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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and may He find what He seeks....in you
and all others you care for
Jesus didn't commit suicide. He was hiding in Jerusalem, and this proves he didn't want to be arrested. By the way, you certainly ignore what free will is. Because Caiaphas and Pilate could have decided not to execute him. Pilate could have decreed to exile him.
If Jesus had hanged himself, we could have spoken of a spontaneous sacrifice. But, unfortunately, he was murdered by other people, so it doesn't deal with something spontaneous.
As for the legions of angels, you should know that God can't prevent someone from doing something. God cannot deprive people of their free will.
I use Logic. Paul doesn't. So it deals with illogical conjectures, because he believes in fate, and not in free will. Which is illogical, because you can't prove that something was meant to be, after it took place. He doesn't consider what would have happened, hadn't Jesus been crucified.This statement is illogical and hardly substantiated. No one has established that Paul had "conjectures". Was your position conjectured?
What is even more horrible is to believe that all sins are equal. This is really beyond common sense and beyond logic.
This statement makes people believe that everything is arbitrary and that evil doesn't exist. I am sorry to disappoint you, it does exist and being Christian means to love God's justice and to be on the side of the victims, and not of the perpetrators.
We need to call Evil by its name, and remember that Jesus said: blessed are those who thirst for justice, for they will be filled.
Isaiah somewhere says: Woe to those who call Evil Good and Good Evil.
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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Yes, he ran from mobs frequently, a trait he passed on to his followers ("Stand up and die for your beliefs ... until you to go to jail ... then break out ... because reasons."). Only in certain authors does he even remotely have any acceptance of it. I believe it is Mark that has him crying about it the most. I consider it an important part of his characterization: that he's been preaching sacrifice all this time, then the cops come, he balks, but after debating it in his head for a bit, finally accepts that he has to "pay the piper" for all the things he's been bragging about recently. It's more emotionally satisfying that way instead of having some stoic walking of the green mile and acting like they're just inconveniencing you, not really hurting you.
He does it all the time, both in the bible and outside of it.
If you could see fate, you would acknowledge its existence. I believe life is like a roller coaster: you can choose how you react to it, but the path is pretty much what it was engineered to be.
And doesn't explain why the OT goes into great lengths to come up with punishments that AREN'T death. Clearly the bible doesn't think all sins are equal, another attempt by NT authors to say something about God's word that just simply isn't there.
Yes.
It doesn't.
Lots of interesting thoughts. I have not been watching this thread for a while.
Where does Scripture teach that?
Like what?
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> you need good anti virus and
not a good wisdom from
the written gospel or should we say
the good news
thats why
you failed to learn what is hidden behind the written words of god
and thats a bad news
for you
if we may say so
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godbless
unto all always
not a good wisdom from
the written gospel or should we say
the good news
thats why
you failed to learn what is hidden behind the written words of god
and thats a bad news
for you
if we may say so
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
I see opinions here. Certainly scripture would have a different perspective.
Yes and no. He won't deprive people of their free will but certainly can enable things from being accomplished by their free will. There are many examples scripturally.
Self serving IMO. You haven't even established validity to your statements.
Lucas... It appears that you write as if whatever statement you make is true. Perhaps you need to start from scratch.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
There are such things as fines in the bible. That means not everything ends up with death.
I'm confused. I dislike Paul, not the words of God. Only idolators can't tell the difference.
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> and the apostle of the gentiles is not idolators
and
actually not only idolators who cant tell the difference
as it is written
:read:
Hebrews 3:7
As the Holy Spirit says, "If you hear God speak today, don't be stubborn.
8 Don't be stubborn like those who rebelled and tested me in the desert.
9 That is where your ancestors tested me,
10 although they had seen what I had done for 40 years. That is why I was angry with those people. So I said, 'Their hearts continue to stray, and they have not learned my ways.'
11 So I angrily took a solemn oath that they would never enter my place of rest."
who was paul talkin to
and
do you think that it was paul own words that is being mentioned here in this verses
. ... just for a thought
if we may say so ... .
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
If any person would rather listen to a human being than to God, that's their business, but in essence they are committing idolatry. It's not so much listening, though, as it is preferring the opinion of the human over what God tells you. Paul was out to kill Christians. Killing an enemy can make them martyrs. Paul then had the bright idea to join Christianity and destroyed it from within.
To be fair (and I note that empathy is not often used in the bible except in passing, in other words, we are not often encouraged to walk a mile in the shoes of people the authors don't like), if you were dragged out of your homes by a murdering religious terrorist, sent all over what should've been a rather short route, with little food or water or shelter, you'd be angry too, especially after being told that you now get to eat nothing but what looks like bug poop. Oh, and the destination is rife with people out to kill you. Most rational people wouldn't have been impressed with God's "love" either since 99% of the generation that came out of Egypt DIED.
Paul thought Christians were deviating from Judaism and participated in murder before switching tactics.
Paul is only interested in the start and then continuation of his leadership. He denounces the apostles who were actually WITH Jesus and even in at least one instance SAYS he is not speaking God's Word, but is only offering his own opinion. But, no, continue to think he's holy if that is what floats your boat. I shall not.
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> becaused of your kind of thinking to the gospel itself or should we say the GOOD NEWS
coz the truth is you couldnt still believe that the gospel is also known as THE GOOD NEWS THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE ITSELF
meaning
this idea of yours is non biblical
as your talking about what is in bible but not the truth that is in there
but rather a self opinion only who want to create your own facts which is so bias
and that shows that there is no holy spirit
in your self opinion only base on hearsay where there is no such things as good from it and
thats why again your so confuse
such as this
Paul was out to kill Christians. Killing an enemy can make them martyrs. Paul then had the bright idea to join Christianity and destroyed it from within.
Paul thought Christians were deviating from Judaism and participated in murder before switching tactics.
Paul is only interested in the start and then continuation of his leadership. He denounces the apostles who were actually WITH Jesus and even in at least one instance SAYS he is not speaking God's Word, but is only offering his own opinion. But, no, continue to think he's holy if that is what floats your boat. I shall not
also wrong
as this opinion of yours is not fair as you want it to be seen as
To be fair (and I note that empathy is not often used in the bible except in passing, in other words, we are not often encouraged to walk a mile in the shoes of people the authors don't like), if you were dragged out of your homes by a murdering religious terrorist, sent all over what should've been a rather short route, with little food or water or shelter, you'd be angry too, especially after being told that you now get to eat nothing but what looks like bug poop. Oh, and the destination is rife with people out to kill you. Most rational people wouldn't have been impressed with God's "love" either since 99% of the generation that came out of Egypt DIED.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE BEEN PUT TO SLAVES FOR ALMOST 400 YEARS AND ONLY FOR ABOUT A SHORT TIME THEY MURMURING AND TEMPTED THE GOD
THAT IS WHY YOUR OPINION IS ONLY TO YOUR OWN THINKING WITHOUT HAVING A FAIR JUDGEMENT UNTO THE REAL SITUATION AND
THAS REALLY A BAD NEWS FOR YOU
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godbless
unto all always
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@ukok102nak
Nice diatribe about Paul.
So why is it Paul's accounts are in our Bible????
Does every Christian denomination have "it" wrong about Paul?
I'm not arguing, merely curious about your conclusions about Paul.
Nice diatribe about Paul.
So why is it Paul's accounts are in our Bible????
Does every Christian denomination have "it" wrong about Paul?
I'm not arguing, merely curious about your conclusions about Paul.
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> actually thats not a conclusion
for every words that were written in the bible has a literal and spiritual interpretation
did you read our comments about the human finger print
. ... just askin
if we may say so ... .
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godbless
unto all always
See that he is repeating @Kelly of the Phoenix
It is my opinion that what is posted is not HIS stance, though for awhile I wondered.
Shouldn't use "every"--it is too all encompassing. "Many times; it isn't unusual that there may be..." and other such words.
ukok102nak
Active Member
kindly elaborate that comment of yours as what you've said that we repeating it . ... just for clarification
if we may say so ... .
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godbless
unto all always
I am not sure but, the "diatribe about Paul" was written by Kelly and NOT by you. Correct?
. ... just for clarification
if we may say so ... .
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> actually not
coz if you would ask me if i want to be good i'll answer every moment though it is impossible for every humans to do that in
every moment of human time
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godbless
unto all always