Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

[F1fan]

Same here.

I personally think our ideologial democracy, that great experiment, has already disappeared many years ago.

It feels like a borderline dystopia now ruled by oligarchy.

The lack of cooperation and compromise began to end with Gingrich in the early 90's.

 

[Suave]

Do you honestly believe that all black and Latino people vote Democrat? They don't. I'm not white, either, obviously. There's many LGBT people who voted for Trump, too. We don't have a hive mind.

I don't know of any "well-off" people who voted for Trump. Where I live, the Trump voters are mostly working class people. The rich urban/surburban white snobs vote Democrat, and are very loud and uppity about it. I'm working class poor. Where I live, the Democrats are the party of the rich. They're gentrifying everything and driving housing costs and costs of living through the roof, like they are doing in all Dem-run cities.

Maybe you should go meet more people.

If Trumpism is for the "little people" then they'd want the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how migrant worker tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, they'd like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.. So now, you are a MAGA supporter who'd like to empower the "little people" by enfranchising non citizen workers and convicted felons. Right?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If Trumpism is for the "little people" then they'd want the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how migrant worker tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, they'd like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.. So now, you are a MAGA who'd like to empower the "little people" by enfranchising non citizen workers and convicted felons. Right?

Non-citizens don't have a right to vote in a country they're not a citizen of. That's just crazy. As for felons, I'm not comfortable with stripping people of their Constitutional rights so I would at be okay with at least non-violent felons being able to vote.

 

[F1fan]

The majority of Americans voted against Trumpism in 2020; Neither white nationalist supremacists nor crazed QANON conspiracy theories about a rigged election didn't kill our U.S. democracy in 2020, but that in fact made our U.S. democracy even stronger indeed with us Democrats taking control of the Senate as well as the U.S. Presidency.

Much of the reason trump didn't cheat the election last year was because the state election boards were ethical and did their jobs. Trump tried to get some of them to throw out the results that went for Biden, most famously in GA. There has been efforts by Republicans in numerous states to replace these ethical election boards with trump sympathizers. The laws are very broad where it comes to assigning electors. States have the power to throw out results and assign their own electors. this system was designed because it was assumed all involved in elections would be ethical. It's a system of honor, and it has never been abused. I'm not sure what will happen if a state decides to send electors that will vote for the candidate that lost the state's popular vote.

I am confident most Americans soon will agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how migrant worker tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, I am guessing most Americans would like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.. I'm confident there will soon be overwhelming support to expand our Democracy by enfranchisement of non citizen workers and convicted felons.

I don't think that many are paying attention.

 

[F1fan]

With active voter and voting suppression, refusal to consider sensible voter rights laws, attacks both verbal and terrorist physical threats against those charged with managing voting, refusal to get over 2020 and other measures the attempt to turn the US into a Xi/Putin style dictatorship is in full swing.

Given all of that, my stance is that any R who claims victory next year is lying or the product of fraud and I won't accept the result. And that's on top of their anti-semitism, racism and general bigotry.

I do make an exception for Liz Cheney. She's the only one I know of with an "R" who has the courage and integrity to not go along with their nefarious plots but to stand for the USA, the Constitution and the rule of law over the rule of men.

Only two Republicans in the House voted to hold Meadows guilty of contempt of congress. Republicans seem to prefer party over country.

 

[Suave]

Non-citizens don't have a right to vote in a country they're not a citizen of. That's just crazy. As for felons, I'm not comfortable with stripping people of their Constitutional rights so I would at be okay with at least non-violent felons being able to vote.

Since undocumented immigrants are part of the political community just like any other resident. we should agree with them having full voting rights.

During the founding of our Republic, voting rights were not determined by citizenship but by other criteria, such as property holdings. Hence, citizenship need not be a criteria for full voting rights!

Because all residents are part of the political community where they live, they should thereby be enfranchised with the right to vote in order to have a powerful political voice in the local, state, and federal laws to which they’re subject. Without being able to choose representation, non-citizen immigrants are a non-voting caste — disenfranchised pariahs in their adopted country. Noncitizen voting should be allowed in order to correct this social injustice, and to expand the participation and ideals of our U.S. democracy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Since undocumented immigrants are part of the political community just like any other resident. we should agree with them having full voting rights.

During the founding of our Republic, voting rights were not determined by citizenship but by other criteria, such as property holdings. Hence, citizenship need not be a criteria for full voting rights!

Because all residents are part of the political community where they live, they should thereby be enfranchised with the right to vote in order to have a powerful political voice in the local, state, and federal laws to which they’re subject. Without being able to choose representation, non-citizen immigrants are a non-voting caste — disenfranchised pariahs in their adopted country. Noncitizen voting should be allowed in order to correct this social injustice, and to expand the participation and ideals of our U.S. democracy.

If they want to participate as full members of the community, then they should become citizens. Case closed. I'm not running to another country and demanding that my voice is equal to the citizens of that country. That's extremely obnoxious at best. If you love a country and want to be part of its people, you'll immigrate legally and become a naturalized citizen.

 

[Suave]

If they want to participate as full members of the community, then they should become citizens. Case closed. I'm not running to another country and demanding that my voice is equal to the citizens of that country. That's extremely obnoxious at best. If you love a country and want to be part of its people, you'll immigrate legally and become a naturalized citizen.

Due to the historic record labor shortages, non citizen migrant workers might just be necessary in order to promptly rebuild our nation's infrastructure.. Also, American agriculture depends on migrant workers helping to harvest crops delivering food to us and our families. Perhaps, our nation should appreciate their contributions and reward them with voting rights. Right?

 

[Twilight Hue]

The lack of cooperation and compromise began to end with Gingrich in the early 90's.

I think it primarily started once corporations were declared as legal people and allowed to contribute and lobby politically to their favorite party canadates.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Due to the historic record labor shortage, non citizen migrant workers might just be necessary in order to promptly rebuild our nation's infrastructure.. Also, American agriculture depends on migrant workers helping to harvest crops delivering food to us and our families. Perhaps, our nation should appreciate their contributions and reward them with voting rights. Right?

No. I'm never going to agree with you on that, so you may as well give up trying. American jobs for American workers.

 

[tytlyf]

Yes. And they're completely ignorant to what they're doing too. Oblivious. Very dangerous.

 

[tytlyf]

I think it primarily started once corporations were declared as legal people and allowed to contribute and lobby politically to their favorite party canadates.

This is what happens with a Republican vote.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If they want to participate as full members of the community, then they should become citizens. Case closed. I'm not running to another country and demanding that my voice is equal to the citizens of that country. That's extremely obnoxious at best. If you love a country and want to be part of its people, you'll immigrate legally and become a naturalized citizen.

They also carry their own particular baggage.

Same as when the Europeans carried their baggage over to North America, and ravaged the landscape and destroyed many cultures and ways of life.

It seems like our turn is being orchestrated very intentionally. Poetic payback?

 

[We Never Know]

Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

That is certainly a suggestion made by Mary Trump, his niece (see vid). And I have to say, what I've seen on the news does really seem to show a very strong antipathy to democracy (or at least a non-partisan-controlled democracy) by many, many prominent Republicans.

"A republic -- if you can keep it," Franklin is reputed to have said. Can you?

In voting, please select one of "Yes," "No" or "I don't know" and one of the other two questions (likely or unlikely to succeed)."

In my opinion Trumpism is just another virus.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is what happens with a Republican vote.

I have to look back in history and see who exactly started this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They also carry their own particular baggage.

Same as when the Europeans carried their baggage over to North America, and ravaged the landscape and destroyed many cultures and ways of life.

It seems like our turn is being orchestrated very intentionally. Poetic payback?

I think it's orchestrated, but not poetic payback. It's not Native Americans rising up and taking their land back, which I wouldn't have a moral objection to.

 

[Suave]

No. I'm never going to agree with you on that, so you may as well give up trying. American jobs for American workers.

Please let us realize nearly half of American farm workers are non citizen migrant workers, there are not enough American citizens to fill those jobs. Without these non citizen migrant workers, there'd be plenty of food supply shortages and rampant starvation of Americans.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it's orchestrated, but not poetic payback. It's not Native Americans rising up and taking their land back, which I wouldn't have a moral objection to.

No, but I remember reading somewhere about a quote saying, "Now you know how we feel".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Please let us realize nearly half of American farm workers are non citizen migrant workers, there are not enough American citizens to fill those jobs. Without these non citizen migrant workers, there'd be plenty of food supply shortages and rampant starvation of Americans.

That's bs. There's hundreds of millions of American citizens.

The problem is that we're all being pushed to the cities and the rural areas are left to rot.

 

[We Never Know]

Please let us realize nearly half of American farm workers are non citizen migrant workers, there are not enough American citizens to fill those jobs. Without these non citizen migrant workers, there'd be plenty of food supply shortages and rampant starvation of Americans.

There are enough Americans to fill those jobs but they are either too lazy or want ridiculous pay.