Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

[Sgt. Pepper]

I’m not ridiculing anybody. EH was the OP. His motivations for posting yet another anti-Trump thread (after so many others) are germane. I am just pointing it out. Any “tactics” used by “other Trump supporters” aren’t my concern since I am not posting as a “Trump supporter”. But nice try to pigeonhole me so you can dismiss me. Want to silence him? Heck no! The more he posts anti-Trump things the more he supports my observation that he is fixated against Trump.

You seem a bit paranoid in assuming that I'm trying to "pigeonhole" you, because I have no intention to dismiss you.

 

[Shaul]

According to your own profile, you posted nine times in this thread since yesterday.

Can we conclude from this that you're fixated on Trump?

No. Since I am not posting here about Trump. I am posting in response to others.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Oh for goodness' sake, stop. The gaslighting here is at inferno level.

Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024

The reason Trump became a political figure, won the GOP nomination twice, and was elected President is because Republicans voted for him and by and large support him. Not because others notice that the sky is blue and call it out.

Gaslighting. That was the word I was looking for instead of the word ridicule. I just couldn't remember it at the time I wrote my response and posted my reply. Thanks for reminding me, Left Coast. Admittedly, I'm not really fluent in internet lingo.

 

[Shaul]

You seem a bit paranoid in assuming that I'm trying to "pigeonhole" you, because I have no intention to dismiss you.

Then why mention the tactics of “Trump supporters” in connection to me?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Then why mention the tactics of “Trump supporters” in connection to me?

Just because I connected you with Trump supporters doesn't mean that I will dismiss you, Shaul.

 

[Shaul]

Oh for goodness' sake, stop. The gaslighting here is at inferno level.

Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024

The reason Trump became a political figure, won the GOP nomination twice, and was elected President is because Republicans voted for him and by and large support him. Not because others notice that the sky is blue and call it out.

Nonsense. If Republicans 100% supported Trump but Independents were not interested they could talk him up till the cows come home to no avail. But anti-Trumpers know, and are terrified, because Trump has support among the Independents. If anti-Trumpers really believed he isn’t popular they wouldn’t broadcast 24/7 denigrating him. They would trust the Independent middle to see through him. But they don’t.

 

[Shaul]

Just because I connected you with Trump supporters doesn't mean that I will dismiss you, Shaul.

You mean you falsely attempted to connect me with them.

 

[Left Coast]

Nonsense. If Republicans 100% supported Trump but Independents were not interested they could talk him up till the cows come home to no avail. But anti-Trumpers know, and are terrified, because Trump has support among the Independents.

Right-leaning Independents tend to support Trump. Left-leaning ones don't. I never suggested otherwise.

National Exit Polls: How Different Groups Voted (Published 2020)

If anti-Trumpers really believed he isn’t popular they wouldn’t broadcast 24/7 denigrating him. They would trust the Independent middle to see through him. But they don’t.

Who said "Trump isn't popular?" Your whole point was that Trump is popular because libs keep talking about him. My point was that Trump became popular on the right all on his own. Which is a fact. He didn't need any help from libs. Republicans and GOP leaners voted for him of their own volition. So quit whining that people who don't support him talk about him. If you want him to be less talked about, make him less popular on your own team.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You mean you falsely attempted to connect me with them.

If I was mistaken about your political affiliation, then I apologize for the misunderstanding. However, in fairness, your posting style resembles the usual dialogue and arguments posted by Trump supporters on other online forums, and other social media sites.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Right-leaning Independents tend to support Trump. Left-leaning ones don't. I never suggested otherwise.

National Exit Polls: How Different Groups Voted (Published 2020)

Who said "Trump isn't popular?" Your whole point was that Trump is popular because libs keep talking about him. My point was that Trump became popular on the right all on his own. Which is a fact. He didn't need any help from libs. Republicans and GOP leaners voted for him of their own volition. So quit whining that people who don't support him talk about him. If you want him to be less talked about, make him less popular on your own team.

QFT. Well said, Left Coast.

 

[anna.]

Are you a Conservative like Romney is a “Conservative”?

I'm not a conservative anymore. I thought I made that clear.

So tell us which of these “Conservative” venues are fixated on Hillary Clinton? Don’t be shy, name them.

Should we start with good ol' Fox? December 8,9,10,11,12:

Hillary Clinton jabs Donald Trump on Angela Merkel's last day: 'Leader of the free world for 4 years'
'The View' gushes over Hillary Clinton's would-be 2016 victory speech: 'She did win'
Social media has fun with Hillary Clinton's invitation to 'MasterClass' lesson: 'How to wipe an email server'
Hillary Clinton reveals would-be 2016 victory speech after blaming sexism, misogyny for loss
Hillary Clinton gives masterclass in self-pity and delusion: Devine
Joe Concha: She's no Queen Elsa; Hillary Clinton just can't let it go
Hillary Clinton says Americans won't 'recognize our country' if Trump wins in 2024

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

{snip}It's the patronizing attitude, the coddling and treating us like mindless children that I can find numerous examples of. They do it to LGBT people, as well.

Saint Frankenstein, I honestly can't take your criticism of liberals mistreating LGBT people seriously when you're clearly a supporter of Trump, who was brazenly anti-LGBT during his presidency. As I showed you with multiple articles the other day, LGBT rights were constantly under attack while he was president. It's become apparent to me that you could be deliberately ignoring my other post with these articles, because you haven't responded to it yet, and it's been 2 1/2 days (Friday, the 17th). So, I think it's fair for me to assume that you're not going to respond to the content of that post. Furthermore, I think that it's disingenuous of you to harshly criticize liberals' treatment of LGBT when you voted for Trump, and based on your posts, it's obvious that you still support him.

It's not my intent to be rude and disrespectful towards you, Saint Frankenstein, but I don't understand why you would vote for Donald Trump when he was clearly anti-LGBT and federal LGBT rights were constantly under attack during his presidency.

A timeline of Trump’s anti-LGBTQ actions

First 100 Days: How President Trump Has Impacted LGBTQ Rights

Trump administration rolls back protections for transgender students

Trump promised to be LGBTQ-friendly. His first year in office proved it was a giant con

The Discrimination Administration: Trump’s record of action against transgender people

Trump’s record on LGBTQ rights has been vile from the moment he took office. We kept a list.

I decided to also include the following articles, as well.

How Trump Made 2017 a Horrific Year for LGBT Rights

Trump Attacked LGBT Rights in 2018, and He’s Far From Done

Here Are the Worst Anti-LGBT Bills to Watch for in 2019

Trump finalizes rollback of LGBTQ patient protections (2020)

 

[Kooky]

No. Since I am not posting here about Trump. I am posting in response to others.

Nobody here is making you support Trump with your postings. You are doing this out of your own choice.

 

[Heyo]

When I did wear that hat out once, I get plenty of dirty looks from the usual suspects.

I definitely agree with you here. Right-wing xenophobes should be treated like the grown up adults they are, and shouldn't be coddled for choosing to support anti-labor and anti-human rights policies.
They should be treated as the wilful enemies of the working class they are.

Don't forget Hanlon's razor.

The dirty looks you get for exposing your political affiliation is exactly that: People treat you as a grown adult who made their choice in policies, and they will not hesitate to call you out on the free choice you made with deliberate intent.

It seems very much like you want your cake and have it: At once, being treated as a responsible adult whose political affiliation was a rational and deliberate choice on their part, and on the other hand, you don't want people to call you out on the assumption that you chose your affiliation purposefully and with intent, and would rather people coddle you and treat you like a baby whose political actions have no consequences for anybody else.

I won't assume anyone (especially on the internet) to be a responsible adult without evidence.

 

[ecco]

You're spot on, Anna, and demographic studies have demonstrated that it's true.

Trump voters were motivated by fear of losing their status

People Voted for Trump Because They Were Anxious, Not Poor

Why white evangelicals voted for Trump: Fear, power and nostalgia

White fear of demographic change is a powerful psychological force

Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds

Study: over-hyped media narratives about America’s fading white majority fuel anxiety

The past year of research has made it very clear: Trump won because of racial resentment

Yep. I think US citizens are the most frightened, at least in the developed world.
And that is by design. When you fear for your life, you tend to buy "protection" (guns). When you fear poverty and hunger, you tend to work hard. When you fear your neighbours you tend to have a strong (and expensive) military. When you fear for your freedom, you tend to be critical of anything social.

You obviously took my post out of context. I wasn't talking about American citizens. I was referring to the Republican Trump Sheeples referred to in @Sgt. Pepper's post, and their forebearers like the Republican Tea Partyers.

Democrats do not live in fear. For example, we get vaccinated. We do not fear the vaccine is a Government plot. We do not fear there are microchips embedded in the vaccine.

 

[Kooky]

Democrats do not live in fear. For example, we get vaccinated. We do not fear the vaccine is a Government plot. We do not fear there are microchips embedded in the vaccine.

Did you post this before or after somebody created a thread to discuss the impending civil war?

 

[ecco]

If there was a comment regarding a civil war, I don't recall seeing it.

 

[Shaul]

I'm not a conservative anymore. I thought I made that clear.



Should we start with good ol' Fox? December 8,9,10,11,12:

Hillary Clinton jabs Donald Trump on Angela Merkel's last day: 'Leader of the free world for 4 years'
'The View' gushes over Hillary Clinton's would-be 2016 victory speech: 'She did win'
Social media has fun with Hillary Clinton's invitation to 'MasterClass' lesson: 'How to wipe an email server'
Hillary Clinton reveals would-be 2016 victory speech after blaming sexism, misogyny for loss
Hillary Clinton gives masterclass in self-pity and delusion: Devine
Joe Concha: She's no Queen Elsa; Hillary Clinton just can't let it go
Hillary Clinton says Americans won't 'recognize our country' if Trump wins in 2024

How is this being fixated? Hillary released a book or in other ways came up in the news cycle. Media of many political leanings commented on them. They were topical. That doesn’t show they have a fixation about her.

 

[ecco]

I'll tell you right now I don't care what color a person is, if they're a Trump supporter I don't think much of their show-off patriotism or the lies and misinformation they spew.

 

[Shaul]

Nobody here is making you support Trump with your postings. You are doing this out of your own choice.

I’m not supporting Trump in my postings as much as calling out the anti-Trump fixation of others. They, and you too, do that out of your own passions.