Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

That is certainly a suggestion made by Mary Trump, his niece (see vid). And I have to say, what I've seen on the news does really seem to show a very strong antipathy to democracy (or at least a non-partisan-controlled democracy) by many, many prominent Republicans.

"A republic -- if you can keep it," Franklin is reputed to have said. Can you?

In voting, please select one of "Yes," "No" or "I don't know" and one of the other two questions (likely or unlikely to succeed)."

 

[anna.]

When I saw MAGA boo Trump at a rally because he told them to get vaccinated, I knew they were capable of moving on with or without him.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I definitely think it has become it's own thing within the Republican party, and they have already tried to subvert democracy.
I don't have a crystal ball but I tend to lean towards them not having a good chance. Such as, they made it apparently clear they have little understanding of how elections work and all they could have done is delay the inevitable given how everything after the vote is a ritualized formality.
The Framers did have rather profound foresight and they did design a system we watch balk at Trump.
And Trump probably doesn't have much time left among the living given his age and personal habits. His death alone will remove a lot of the fuel that got the fire raging.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I definitely think it has become it's own thing within the Republican party, and they have already tried to subvert democracy.
I don't have a crystal ball but I tend to lean towards them not having a good chance. Such as, they made it apparently clear they have little understanding of how elections work and all they could have done is delay the inevitable given how everything after the vote is a ritualized formality.
The Framers did have rather profound foresight and they did design a system we watch balk at Trump.
And Trump probably doesn't have much time left among the living given his age and personal habits. His death alone will remove a lot of the fuel that got the fire raging.

The reason things are this way is because Democrats just keep pushing people around with impudence.

Ruling by party mandate as if they are the kings and queens of the nation, using shadow tactics, closed door secret meetings at wee hours at night, rampant nanny state legislation, endless investigation, right to the point where one starts reaping what one sows.

Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for it. That's why Trump got elected in the first place.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Ruling by party mandate as if they are the kings and queens of the nation, using shadow tactics, closed door secret meetings at wee hours at night, rampant nanny state legislation, endless investigation, right to the point where one starts reaping what one sows.

This describes both parties.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This describes both parties.

I suppose it does. Unfortunately, people like you and me are stuck in the middle, helpless, and can only vent on internet forums.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I suppose it does. Unfortunately, people like you and me are stuck in the middle, helpless, and can only vent on internet forums.

I often disagree with you, but good to see some common ground with some things.

 

[Nakosis]

This describes both parties.

Makes it convenient though for each side to point to the evils of the other party.
At least FOX and MSNBC have ready audiences to cater to.

 

[ecco]

When I saw MAGA boo Trump at a rally because he told them to get vaccinated, I knew they were capable of moving on with or without him.

When and where did MAGAs boo Trump?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I often disagree with you, but good to see some common ground with some things.

Same here.

I personally think our ideologial democracy, that great experiment, has already disappeared many years ago.

It feels like a borderline dystopia now ruled by oligarchy.

 

[Wandering Monk]

When and where did MAGAs boo Trump?

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

 

[anna.]

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

@ecco Wandering Monk posted the link I posted, I thought I'd posted twice because the headline was identical so deleted mine. But yeah, it happened, and I've seen online grumbling about various things that led me to believe they've coalesced around something bigger than Trump.

 

[anna.]

Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for it. That's why Trump got elected in the first place.

Trump got elected by people afraid of losing their racial, cultural and religious hold on America, who are willing to try fascism to keep their hold.

 

[sun rise]

With active voter and voting suppression, refusal to consider sensible voter rights laws, attacks both verbal and terrorist physical threats against those charged with managing voting, refusal to get over 2020 and other measures the attempt to turn the US into a Xi/Putin style dictatorship is in full swing.

Given all of that, my stance is that any R who claims victory next year is lying or the product of fraud and I won't accept the result. And that's on top of their anti-semitism, racism and general bigotry.

I do make an exception for Liz Cheney. She's the only one I know of with an "R" who has the courage and integrity to not go along with their nefarious plots but to stand for the USA, the Constitution and the rule of law over the rule of men.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The reason things are this way is because Democrats just keep pushing people around with impudence.

Ruling by party mandate as if they are the kings and queens of the nation, using shadow tactics, closed door secret meetings at wee hours at night, rampant nanny state legislation, endless investigation, right to the point where one starts reaping what one sows.

Democrats have no one but themselves to blame for it. That's why Trump got elected in the first place.

I don't suppose you'd care to give some examples (with explanations) for your accusations.
I mean, I can't help but notice that in the Senate, for example, getting 100% of Republicans to vote party line seems much, much easier than getting 100% of Democrats to do the same. (Consider Joe Mancion, for example.)
Have you noticed that? Doesn't it make you question your own certainty?
So, please try to provide some examples of (from your own post):

• Democrats just keep pushing people around with impudence.
• Ruling by party mandate as if they are the kings and queens of the nation
• Using shadow tactics, closed door secret meetings at wee hours at night, rampant nanny state legislation
• Endless investigation, right to the point where one starts reaping what one sows.

And on that last one, could you please expound upon why there really should NOT be a serious and thorough investigation into the January 6 insurrection? Explain why "under the carpet" is the best place for any info on what members of the American government were doing at the time.

 

[Stonetree]

Democracies pivot on the truth being available to the voter. Politicians have always promised more than they can deliver but now complete fabrications(lies) are being believed and advanced by large numbers of the population. This is a very dangerous situation that can damage our democracy. SCOTUS seems to be more politicized and members have a life time appointment. Put on your seat belts I see a bumpy road ahead.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm a "Trumpist" and no, I'm not trying to "destroy democracy". We're trying to restore it, so that the voices of the "little people" are heard again. But it's not like the haters actually want to hear from us, they just want to keep screeching at each other in their echo chambers, which RF largely is. There's barely any of us on this board but you guys can't stop talking about us and demonizing us left and right. Whatever.

It's not really about Trump, either. He can easily be thrown overboard if he sells out. He's more of a figurehead.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm a "Trumpist" and no, I'm not trying to "destroy democracy". We're trying to restore it, so that the voices of the "little people" are heard again. But it's not like the haters actually want to hear from us, they just want to keep screeching at each other in their echo chambers, which RF largely is. There's barely any of us on this board but you guys can't stop talking about us and demonizing us left and right. Whatever.

It's not really about Trump, either. He can easily be thrown overboard if he sells out. He's more of a figurehead.

Really? The "little people?" Do you mean the blacks and Latinos and others likely to vote Democrat, too? Republican gerrymandering is implacably opposed to that, as has been demonstrated.

How much do the well-off (likely to vote Republican) need water delivered while they stand in long, sweltering lines to vote? Oh, wait -- they don't stand in long sweltering lines, do they?

I'm not going to got through the litany of ways that one side (yours) is trying to tilt everything in its own direction -- you could (if you had any desire whatever) find that out for yourself. You could, for example, look at the reasons given by the Department of Justice's suit against Georgia's voting law.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Really? The "little people?" Do you mean the blacks and Latinos and others likely to vote Democrat, too? Republican gerrymandering is implacably opposed to that, as has been demonstrated.

How much do the well-off (likely to vote Republican) need water delivered while they stand in long, sweltering lines to vote? Oh, wait -- they don't stand in long sweltering lines, do they?

I'm not going to got through the litany of ways that one side (yours) is trying to tilt everything in its own direction -- you could (if you had any desire whatever) find that out for yourself.

Do you honestly believe that all black and Latino people vote Democrat? They don't. I'm not white, either, obviously. There's many LGBT people who voted for Trump, too. We don't have a hive mind.

I don't know of any "well-off" people who voted for Trump. Where I live, the Trump voters are mostly working class people. The rich urban/surburban white snobs vote Democrat, and are very loud and uppity about it. I'm working class poor. Where I live, the Democrats are the party of the rich. They're gentrifying everything and driving housing costs and costs of living through the roof, like they are doing in all Dem-run cities.

Maybe you should go meet more people.

 

[Suave]

Has "Trumpism" moved beyond Trump to actually trying to destroy the US Democracy?

That is certainly a suggestion made by Mary Trump, his niece (see vid). And I have to say, what I've seen on the news does really seem to show a very strong antipathy to democracy (or at least a non-partisan-controlled democracy) by many, many prominent Republicans.

"A republic -- if you can keep it," Franklin is reputed to have said. Can you?

In voting, please select one of "Yes," "No" or "I don't know" and one of the other two questions (likely or unlikely to succeed)."

The majority of Americans voted against Trumpism in 2020; Neither white nationalist supremacists nor crazed QANON conspiracy theories about a rigged election didn't kill our U.S. democracy in 2020, but that in fact made our U.S. democracy even stronger indeed with us Democrats taking control of the Senate as well as the U.S. Presidency.

I am confident most Americans soon will agree with the enfranchisement of non citizen workers having a vote for how migrant worker tax payments should be distributed and how their working conditions should be regulated. Also, I am guessing most Americans would like felons to be eligible to vote, because many of them have experienced discriminatory policing and unfair sentencing, and their votes might help persuade politicians to reform our criminal justice system.. I'm confident there will soon be overwhelming support to expand our Democracy by enfranchisement of non citizen workers and convicted felons.