Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[1robin]

No, it is always about our personal relation with the outer world.
I am really relieved and glad to learn when you met a person who says is a follower of islam, it went smoothly because you ll never meet islam as a person otherwise. it wont also die or walk away or even sit silently with you after a while as long as your thoughts are that strong on it.

Now that is seeing Islam as anthropomorphic. I see Islam as a theology that is terribly flawed, however I see Muslims as good (many times anyway) in in-spite of Islam. I will call evil as evil and good as good no matter who it causes to sit down or walk away. My judge is a little higher than that and this is a debate, not a social forum.

My relationship with the outer world is not what will get me into heaven or judgment. My acceptance of truth is what will be my judge. This thread is about problems in Islam not my relationship with anything.

 

[FearGod]

Signs in the quran are very clear to me and some pretend of not seeing it and even trying to fool himself and the others by saying one time that it was just a forer effect or it was known long time ago or any other silly opinions.

One opinion says that they used to slaughter animals and in other words the prophet has to investigate each womb and then to know which one came first the leech like or the chewing lump like and when bones first started and all his purpose(the prophet) of that is to come out with this verse as if it was needed for persuading the ignorants at that period of time.

Lies are clear such as saying that Muslims only memorized the Greece science which was lost from Europe and then Europe waked up from sleeping only because the science of Greece brought back again by Muslims,so Muslims did nothing.

Muslims condition nowadays is already prophesied by the prophet and the reason for such condition is their rulers which described by the prophet as oppressors, so do you think that the prophet was guessing,yes for the disbelievers,they have to say he was lucky with this one and he was lucky with one verse and the other was forer effect and so and so forth,but facts are clear for who wants to find the truth for himself.

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[AmbiguousGuy]

One opinion says that they used to slaughter animals and in other words the prophet has to investigate each womb and then to know which one came first the leech like or the chewing lump like and when bones first started and all his purpose(the prophet) of that is to come out with this verse as if it was needed for persuading the ignorants at that period of time.

No, the prophet didn't have to do that. He only had to know people who did that.

 

[FearGod]

No, the prophet didn't have to do that. He only had to know people who did that.

And the prophet was sure that they were right so he made this verse,but we can make a better one than the ignorants of the 7th century,what about you try to show us a better one,that is my request,it is very simple.

 

[ametist]

Now that is seeing Islam as anthropomorphic. I see Islam as a theology that is terribly flawed, however I see Muslims as good (many times anyway) in in-spite of Islam. I will call evil as evil and good as good no matter who it causes to sit down or walk away. My judge is a little higher than that and this is a debate, not a social forum.

My relationship with the outer world is not what will get me into heaven or judgment. My acceptance of truth is what will be my judge. This thread is about problems in Islam not my relationship with anything.

Well, I dont see it that way. the thread is about what you or anybody see or perceive as a flaw or mistake in islam.
I.e. A person's relation with their outer world-in this case being reduced to islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Edited later: i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?

What your right hand possesses,Surat Al Nisa says enough,in other words slaves,you can do what you want with then because you possess then,there is of course the argument "we are encouraged to emancipate in Islam",look around islam.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

And the prophet was sure that they were right so he made this verse,but we can make a better one than the ignorants of the 7th century,what about you try to show us a better one,that is my request,it is very simple.

Do you know the English term 'rigged game'?

Your request is a rigged game. No matter what verse I make up, you will say that it is worse than the prophet's verse.

If I played the game with a Christian, he would say that my verse in worse than the Bible's verses.

With a Jew, my verse would always be worse than a Torah verse.

Sometimes a person's faith is so deep that he can't see anything outside of it.

 

[McBell]

And the prophet was sure that they were right so he made this verse,but we can make a better one than the ignorants of the 7th century,what about you try to show us a better one,that is my request,it is very simple.

The fact that the information was readily available BEFORE it was spoken about by Mohammed indicates that the illiterate Mohammed mentioning it has an explanation other than it being a "miracle".

If you prefer to ignore the truth of the fact that it was known before Mohammed spoke of it, that is your business, but please stop whining about others pointing out the fact.

 

[illykitty]

Here's a few links a quick Google search provides about the "sura like it".

Produce a Sura like it ~ The Skeptic Mind

suralikeit.com

The first one is a critique of this challenge. This is something anyone can have a look at.

The second is a few suras a person made to meet the challenge. I don't know if it meets the criteria, I don't know Arabic apart from a few words.

 

[FearGod]

Do you know the English term 'rigged game'?

Your request is a rigged game. No matter what verse I make up, you will say that it is worse than the prophet's verse.

If I played the game with a Christian, he would say that my verse in worse than the Bible's verses.

With a Jew, my verse would always be worse than a Torah verse.

Sometimes a person's faith is so deep that he can't see anything outside of it.

No,i'll be honest,if you made it better in similar few words then i can't reject it.give it a try.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Edited later: i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?

The biggest problem I have with the Islamic religion is Muhammad's sexual behavior... particularly that he was a pedophile. He married a six year old girl (Aisha) while he was in his fifties, and had sex with her at age nine. That is definitely not something I could ever advocate, and is absolutely repulsive in my opinion.

 

[FearGod]

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suralikeit.com

The second is a few suras a person made to meet the challenge. I don't know if it meets the criteria, I don't know Arabic apart from a few words.

The link is comics,very silly and meaningless words,such as saying if a disbeliever touch your cloth,then burn it and cut his fingers and then slash him and similar silly words which has no meaning at all.

 

[1robin]

Well, I dont see it that way. the thread is about what you or anybody see or perceive as a flaw or mistake in islam.
I.e. A person's relation with their outer world-in this case being reduced to islam.

Islam is a theological system not my fried Sam. The same way it would be wrong to call Islam as bad simply because it includes thousands of terrorist, it is wrong to call it good because I like my friends. Islam is a systematic theological proposition that is extremely flawed in every category. My friend Sam or your friends have no relevance or effect on that. If Islam is simply Muslims and that is all then it is irrelevant theologically and is not worth discussing here.

 

[illykitty]

The link is comics,very silly and meaningless words,such as saying if a disbeliever touch your cloth,then burn it and cut his fingers and then slash him and similar silly words which has no meaning at all.

Then what is the criteria? Does it have to have meaning (that's very subjective though) and have correct grammar?

This challenge doesn't seem to be precise. How is it supposed to surpass the Quran?

Also, I'd argue some of the things in the Quran can sound quite silly as well. Just because a Muslim is used to it, doesn't mean it's not silly to someone else.

 

[FearGod]

Also, I'd argue some of the things in the Quran can sound quite silly as well. Just because a Muslim is used to it, doesn't mean it's not silly to someone else.

Examples please.

 

[illykitty]

Examples please.

Well I'd need some time to search but one for example is 67:5 "And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame."

To someone outside of Islam it sounds as absurd as "if a disbeliever touch your cloth,then burn it and cut his fingers and then slash him".

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Poor Allah describes embryology as it was known back then but then forgets to mention the female egg!!! :faint:

It's a good job people back then had an idea about semen, otherwise Allah wouldn't have mentioned it either!!

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Examples please.

Oh... that's easy

Muhammad "Splitting the moon in half." 54:1 (Flying space Arab, lol)

The Sun supposedly "orbits the earth." 21:33 (It does not)

Hail "comes from mountains." 24:43 (It does not.)

"Animals cannot be homosexual." 7:80-81 (anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes with any of the great apes knows that this is a load of crap.)

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

No,i'll be honest,if you made it better in similar few words then i can't reject it.give it a try.

Your challenge sounds a bit vague to me.

So list the quote for me. Then I will make a better one, in fewer words.

 

[Nakosis]

"Animals cannot be homosexual." 7:80-81 (anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes with any of the great apes knows that this is a load of crap.)

Umm... yeah I had some tomcats....