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Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Well I'd need some time to search but one for example is 67:5 "And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame."

To someone outside of Islam it sounds as absurd as "if a disbeliever touch your cloth,then burn it and cut his fingers and then slash him".

It seems that you have a lot of them,but unfortunately this one verse isn't silly but even expected to happen at any point of time and scientists are even thinking of how to avoid it once happening.

We have decorated the nearest sky with lamps. We have placed them as missiles directed towards the devils and prepared torment from the Blaze for them.(67:5)

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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Poor Allah describes embryology as it was known back then but then forgets to mention the female egg!!! :faint:

It's a good job people back then had an idea about semen, otherwise Allah wouldn't have mentioned it either!! :D

And who mentioned the semen or the female egg,but what was mentioned is "Nutfa" which means a drop of a liquid form which is planned and designed by the creator to convert to a leech like mass but for you this was planned with no planner and designed by no designer,that is the perfect science of yours,coincidences.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Your challenge sounds a bit vague to me.

So list the quote for me. Then I will make a better one, in fewer words.

Good,here is the verse


Then We made the drop into a leech—like structure (alaq), then of that leech—like structure, we made a chewed lump. then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones with flesh, then We developed out of it another creature. Surah 23: 14
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Then We made the drop into a leech—like structure (alaq), then of that leech—like structure, we made a chewed lump. then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones with flesh, then We developed out of it another creature. Surah 23: 14
Why rewrite what is essentially a worthless piece of information? Add to this that the statement is false. Another creature is not made out of this. It is the same individual creature going through recognizable stages. Why would "god" say such a silly thing that is simply not true?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
What your right hand possesses,Surat Al Nisa says enough,in other words slaves,you can do what you want with then because you possess then,there is of course the argument "we are encouraged to emancipate in Islam",look around islam.

You are right,at the first glance the verse looks bad but if we investigate it very well then we will find it not.

Let me show you the previous verses so we can understand what God's target.

Give orphans their property and do not substitute something bad for something good nor swallow up their wealth along with your own wealth. It would be a great outrage. (4:2)

If you are afraid you will not deal fairly with orphans, then marry off such women as may seem good to you, in pairs, or three or four [at a time]. If you [still] fear you will not act justly, then [marry] one woman [only] or someone your right hand controls. That is more likely to keep you from committing an injustice. (4:3)

Test orphans as soon as they reach a marriageable age. If you are sure of their maturity, then turn their property over to them; do not use it up extravagantly, over-anxious lest they should grow up. Anyone who is rich should restrain himself, while anyone who is poor may live off it in decency. Whenever you hand their property over to them, have it witnessed for them. God suffices as a Reckoner! (4:6)

So it is about orphans and their rights.

Now if a man have to take care of some orphans but can't do it himself then God give him the allowance to marry up to 4 and also he should be fair with the 4 otherwise stay with one or bringing a helper (right hand possess)

The problem i think is with interpretation of the verses of the quran or maybe men prefer to neglect the orphan issue in order to marry more than one.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Why rewrite what is essentially a worthless piece of information? Add to this that the statement is false. Another creature is not made out of this. It is the same individual creature going through recognizable stages. Why would "god" say such a silly thing that is simply not true?

Would you please explain what do you mean by saying the same individual creature and not another creature.
 

John Doe

Member
No,i'll be honest,if you made it better in similar few words then i can't reject it.give it a try.

You will appreciate this, insh'allah. Although I understand that English is not your first language. This is a poem by e e cummings (1894-1962 CE).

i am a little church (no great cathedral)
far from the splendor and squalor
of hurrying cities - i do not worry if briefer days grow briefest,
i am not sorry when sun and rain make april

my life is the life of the reaper and the sower;
my prayers are the prayers of earth's own clumsily striving
(finding and losing and laughing and crying) children
whose any sadness or joy is my grief or my gladness

around me surges a miracle of unceasing
birth and glory and death and resurrection:
over my sleeping self float flaming symbols
of hope, and i wake to a perfect patience of mountains

i am a little church (far from the frantic
world with its rapture and anguish) at peace with nature
- i do not worry if longer nights grow longest;
i am not sorry when silence becomes singing

winter by spring, i lift my diminutive spire to
merciful Him Whose only now is forever:
standing erect in the deathless truth of His presence
(welcoming humbly His light and proudly His darkness)
peace be with you
 
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Farrukh

Active Member
All those who say Quran is not word of God, and are trying to find some error in this book, and hardly come up with few verses that they misunderstood/misinterpret, how their mind can accept that a book talking about Astronomy, Physics, Geography, Geology, Oceanology, Biology, Botany, Zoology, Medicine, Physiology, Embryology and general sciences was written 1400 years ago by a person who never went to school????

"Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able
to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." Quan 75:3-4
They may have never heard this beautiful verse, why Quran is talking about finger prints? these are indeed words of God Almighty.
 
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illykitty

RF's pet cat
It seems that you have a lot of them,but unfortunately this one verse isn't silly but even expected to happen at any point of time and scientists are even thinking of how to avoid it once happening.

We have decorated the nearest sky with lamps. We have placed them as missiles directed towards the devils and prepared torment from the Blaze for them.(67:5)

"Lamps" sound a lot more like stars, not comets. And we know stars aren't small enough to be considered comets. And even if it is a comet, I have no idea how it's missiles for devils when it hurts innocents too. Makes no sense.
 

Farrukh

Active Member
"Lamps" sound a lot more like stars, not comets. And we know stars aren't small enough to be considered comets. And even if it is a comet, I have no idea how it's missiles for devils when it hurts innocents too. Makes no sense.

Comets hardly reach earth surface because they are destroyed from high heat caused by resistance with air.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Comets hardly reach earth surface because they are destroyed from high heat caused by resistance with air.

That's not what FearGod said. He said one would hit eventually. Go read the previous posts please before replying your apologetics.
 

Farrukh

Active Member
Why rewrite what is essentially a worthless piece of information? Add to this that the statement is false. Another creature is not made out of this. It is the same individual creature going through recognizable stages. Why would "god" say such a silly thing that is simply not true?

word being used in Arabic is 'ākhara' which means 'another'. in grammar, it is accusative masculine singular adjective.
it is common sense, from 'another', it simply means another human being.
 

Farrukh

Active Member
The biggest problem I have with the Islamic religion is Muhammad's sexual behavior... particularly that he was a pedophile. He married a six year old girl (Aisha) while he was in his fifties, and had sex with her at age nine. That is definitely not something I could ever advocate, and is absolutely repulsive in my opinion.

would you like to marry a woman 15 or 20 year elder than you?
He initially married with a woman that was 15 year elder than him.
Only condition for intercourse with a woman is that she should be in the age of puberty and should be willing for that, and obviously she should be your wife:D. There are other examples from that period, a Sahabi (friend) of Prophet peace be upon him was 10 years elder than his son, and his son also got married in the age of 10. it was common in Arabs.

By the way, in 2013, a 9 year old girl named Dafne in Mexico has given birth to baby and both she and her daughter returned home with good health.
 
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SeekerOfGod

Ahmadi Muslim
The biggest problem I have with the Islamic religion is Muhammad's sexual behavior... particularly that he was a pedophile. He married a six year old girl (Aisha) while he was in his fifties, and had sex with her at age nine. That is definitely not something I could ever advocate, and is absolutely repulsive in my opinion.

This is inconsistent with historical facts.

Did Muhammad marry A’isha when she was only six years old?
Contemporary critics have repeatedly claimed that Prophet Muhammad married A’isha when she was not of age. Facts indicate that A’isha was no younger than 12-13 at the time of her willing marriage with parental consent. We invite the reader to consider several factors before formulating a final opinion.
Before we delve into Islamic history, consider that the age deemed “acceptable” for marriage is not an objective standard across time, culture, and religion—but a subjective standard based on social construct. For example, the Catholic Encyclopaedia reports regarding Mary, mother of Jesus:
… the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice of God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place.[1]
Likewise, the Talmud states, “Marrying off one’s daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one’s Slave.”[2] In fact, the Talmud presents some shocking guidance on marriage, also stating, “A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.”[3] So while the Catholic Encyclopaedia tells us that Mary and Joseph were married at the ages of 12-14 and 90, respectively, the Talmud permits marrying girls as young as three years and one day. Lest this seem like an attack on Christianity and Judaism—which it is not—we present marriage laws in the West.
For centuries in Scotland, the age of consent for girls was 12—and parental consent was unnecessary.[4] Only in 1929 was the age raised to 16 for girls.[5] But in America even today, A’isha’s consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad would be considered valid. For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]
- Continue reading at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
"Lamps" sound a lot more like stars, not comets. And we know stars aren't small enough to be considered comets. And even if it is a comet, I have no idea how it's missiles for devils when it hurts innocents too. Makes no sense.

No,stars are
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and not lamps, the verse didn't mention stars,it was wrong interpretation.

God may punish a whole nation or tribe for being bad ones as he did with people of Noah and Loot.so yes he doesn't choose and pick up.


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McBell

Unbound
All those who say Quran is not word of God, and are trying to find some error in this book, and hardly come up with few verses that they misunderstood/misinterpret, how their mind can accept that a book talking about Astronomy, Physics, Geography, Geology, Oceanology, Biology, Botany, Zoology, Medicine, Physiology, Embryology and general sciences was written 1400 years ago by a person who never went to school????

"Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able
to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." Quan 75:3-4
They may have never heard this beautiful verse, why Quran is talking about finger prints? these are indeed words of God Almighty.

What parts of the Koran did Mohammed put to paper?
 
And who mentioned the semen or the female egg,but what was mentioned is "Nutfa" which means a drop of a liquid form which is planned and designed by the creator to convert to a leech like mass but for you this was planned with no planner and designed by no designer,that is the perfect science of yours,coincidences.

You don't make any sense.
People were not aware of the female egg and the role it plays in embryology.
Unsurprisingly, Allah doesn't know either.
The female egg is just as important as sperm. Failure to mention it proves Allah doesn't know embryology.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Good,here is the verse

Then We made the drop into a leech—like structure (alaq), then of that leech—like structure, we made a chewed lump. then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones with flesh, then We developed out of it another creature. Surah 23: 14

Then we allowed the fertilized egg to develop into what looks like a leech. Then we allowed that leech-looking structure to gradually grow into a more-developed child, which at one point looked like a chewed lump. Then we allowed it to continue developing and so bones and flesh began to form into a recognizable fetus. Then we allowed it to completely develop into a baby, ready to be born.

My statement seems more accurate than Mohammad's... yes?

(I'm guessing you'll insist otherwise, but I think most people reading it may agree with me.)
 
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