Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[McBell]

Then we allowed the fertilized egg to develop into what looks like a leech. Then we allowed that leech-looking structure to gradually grow into a more-developed child, which at one point looked like a chewed lump. Then we allowed it to continue developing and so bones and flesh began to form into a recognizable fetus. Then we allowed it to completely develop into a baby, ready to be born.

My statement seems more accurate than Mohammad's... yes?

(I'm guessing you'll insist otherwise, but I think most people reading it may agree with me.)

The problem with yours is that you did not leave it open to be manipulated and twisted if more accurate information becomes available.

 

[FearGod]

Then we allowed the fertilized egg to develop into what looks like a leech. Then we allowed that leech-looking structure to gradually grow into a more-developed child, which at one point looked like a chewed lump. Then we allowed it to continue developing and so bones and flesh began to form into a recognizable fetus. Then we allowed it to completely develop into a baby, ready to be born.

My statement seems more accurate than Mohammad's... yes?

(I'm guessing you'll insist otherwise, but I think most people reading it may agree with me.)

Are you using the same procedure and steps which was said 1400 years ago,i am expecting that you'll use a different words than leech and chewed lump.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Are you using the same procedure and steps which was said 1400 years ago,i am expecting that you'll use a different words than leech and chewed lump.

I don't understand what you're saying or asking. Can you rephrase it for me?

I used 'leech' and 'chewed lump' because you posted photos which show how the developing fetus looks, and I agree that it looks like a leech at one point and a chewed lump at another point. Those who butchered animals obviously would have known that.

So is my statement a little better (more accurate) than Mohammad's statement?

 

[FearGod]

I don't understand what you're saying or asking. Can you rephrase it for me?

I used 'leech' and 'chewed lump' because you posted photos which show how the developing fetus looks, and I agree that it looks like a leech at one point and a chewed lump at another point. Those who butchered animals obviously would have known that.

So is my statement a little better (more accurate) than Mohammad's statement?

Do you mean that in other parts of the world they did describe it also the same way as leech then chewed lump where the bones start to develop.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

would you like to marry a woman 15 or 20 year elder than you?

I would rather marry a grown woman that is 15-20 years older than me, than marry a CHILD that is 40-45 years YOUNGER than me... That's for damn sure! Absolutely disgusting in my opinion.:sarcastic

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Do you mean that in other parts of the world they did describe it also the same way as leech then chewed lump where the bones start to develop.

I don't know how others described it, but they surely knew how the growing fetus looked at every visible stage.

Are you saying that Muhammad's 'leech' and 'chewed lump' are the things which impress you? You don't think anyone else could have thought of those comparisons?

 

[FearGod]

I would rather marry a grown woman that is 15-20 years older than me, than marry a CHILD that is 40-45 years YOUNGER than me... That's for damn sure! Absolutely disgusting in my opinion.:sarcastic

Depends how rich you are.

If not so much then better to look at same your age or even older.

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[Triumphant_Loser]

This is inconsistent with historical facts.


- Continue reading at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

A man in his 50's having sex with a 12 year old is still abhorrent in my book. I wonder if it would have been the same to them if a woman in her 50's would have married a 12 year old boy... Or were only women treated as sexual objects back then?

 

[FearGod]

I don't know how others described it, but they surely knew how the growing fetus looked at every visible stage.

Are you saying that Muhammad's 'leech' and 'chewed lump' are the things which impress you? You don't think anyone else could have thought of those comparisons?

Those words weren't for the ancient people to search for,as i didn't find him asking them to slaughter animals to check that he was telling them the truth and moreover,how could he know that such process in animals is similar to humans.

 

[FearGod]

A man in his 50's having sex with a 12 year old is still abhorrent in my book. I wonder if it would have been the same to them if a woman in her 50's would have married a 12 year old boy... Or were only women treated as sexual objects back then?

What is your tangible evidence that she was 12 years old.
Do you have a copy of her birth certificate.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

What is your tangible evidence that she was 12 years old.
Do you have a copy of her birth certificate.

I would like to direct you back to SeekerOfGod's link...

Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I don't know how others described it, but they surely knew how the growing fetus looked at every visible stage.

To be fair, it is better to say it was possible that they may knew how the growing fetus looked at every visible stage, but we don't know for sure, if they knew or not, unless we can find some writings from Arabs predating Muhammad that described it in similar words.

Are you saying that Muhammad's 'leech' and 'chewed lump' are the things which impress you? You don't think anyone else could have thought of those comparisons?

Well, Let's be fair. If we go by what is narrated, then overall it is impressive or the least to say it is a mystery.
What is narrated is this: Muhammad was an illiterate man who could not read to learn from the Books. Moreover in those days Books and libraries were not as available and easily accessible as now. Moreover He lived among a wild and ignorant tribes, and there is no evidence that Muhammad before claiming Prophethood, He had teachers or someone to teach Him about various topics, such as religions, astronomy, etc...verbally, or at least there is no evidence for that. Now in such circumstances, it is really a mystery how He knew about these things.
Now, let's even assume that such knowledge about various topics existed in His time. It would still take quite a lot of effort to gather the information, then describe them in the Quranic style, but from the info available, it is unknown how He knew these things.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Those words weren't for the ancient people to search for,as i didn't find him asking them to slaughter animals to check that

It is irrelevant if Muhammad asked them to slaughter animals and check. What ambiguous guy suggests is, even before Muhammad it was perhaps known the stages of development in the womb, as people could have killed pregnant animals in different stages to discover for themselves.

he was telling them the truth and moreover,how could he know that such process in animals is similar to humans.

Is it to difficult to take a guess?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Those words weren't for the ancient people to search for,as i didn't find him asking them to slaughter animals to check that he was telling them the truth....

Really, I have a hard time following your meaning. Cavemen surely knew what fetuses looked like in various stages of development. They gutted animals all the time, and some of those animals were pregnant.

Do you think that Muhammad was ignorant of things which everyone else in his culture would have known about or could have easily discovered?

.... and moreover,how could he know that such process in animals is similar to humans.

I've been a hunter most of my life and have gutted various mammals. It is clear to anyone that a deer and a human have roughly the same organs.

Wasn't Muhammad a trader, with herds of camels?

 

[FearGod]

It is irrelevant if Muhammad asked them to slaughter animals and check. What ambiguous guy suggests is, even before Muhammad it was perhaps known the stages of development in the womb, as people could have killed pregnant animals in different stages to discover for themselves.

And i asked him where in the world they mentioned the same thing,slaughtering is every where,east and west,north and south.

Is it to difficult to take a guess?

If there is one serious mistake then it will be enough for people to be skeptic and then to reject the quran,IOW if we found out that humans fetus never looks as leech in the first stage before the next stage that looks like a chewed lump then what about if the bone starts in the first stage and not in the 2nd one,so it is complicated to believe that those things were known by guessing at that period of time.

 

[FearGod]

Really, I have a hard time following your meaning. Cavemen surely knew what fetuses looked like in various stages of development. They gutted animals all the time, and some of those animals were pregnant.

Do you think that Muhammad was ignorant of things which everyone else in his culture would have known about or could have easily discovered?

Was it mentioned in other cultures,do you have any evidence that they knew those stages in that time or you are guessing that they should know it since they slaughter animals for food.

I've been a hunter most of my life and have gutted various mammals. It is clear to anyone that a deer and a human have roughly the same organs.

Wasn't Muhammad a trader, with herds of camels?

Muhammad was trader and not a butcher.

You are a hunter then how many times did you see the leech stage and the chewed lump and did you try to see when the bones had started to develop.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

And i asked him where in the world they mentioned the same thing,slaughtering is every where,east and west,north and south.

But to be fair, such things may or may not have been written elsewhere. It might have been written, but we cannot find them, or those books may not have survived to our time.
But let's assume they were not written elsewhere, even in that case the atheist may say, such things could have been known at the time of Muhammad through experiencing, and He had heard these things verbally, and then He decided to write them in the style of Quran that He invented it, and attributed them to Allah.

If there is one serious mistake then it will be enough for people to be skeptic and then to reject the quran,IOW if we found out that humans fetus never looks as leech in the first stage before the next stage that looks like a chewed lump then what about if the bone starts in the first stage and not in the 2nd one,so it is complicated to believe that those things were known by guessing at that period of time.

So, there are many Books out there, that there is no mistake in them, does it mean they are from God? Cannot human experience and discover things, then write them thoughtfully to avoid mistakes? Moreover the atheist can say, Quran is very vague, and can be interpreted in various ways (which they are right to be fair), hence it is always possible to match it with something scientific, therefore it is possible that Muhammad was a smart and clever person, who was able to write some vague verses that can according to the perception of others appear scientific, and that the Muslims Imam got good at twisting the verses to match them with scientific statements.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Was it mentioned in other cultures,do you have any evidence that they knew those stages in that time or you are guessing that they should know it since they slaughter animals for food.

I am assuming that they knew it. I can't imagine how they could have been ignorant of it.

But it's not something I've ever researched or would want to research. That would seem pointless to me.

Muhammad was trader and not a butcher.

So it was impossible for him to know people who had experience with butchering or dissecting? There was no one dissecting cadavers back then? No one attempting to do surgery?

You are a hunter then how many times did you see the leech stage and the chewed lump and did you try to see when the bones had started to develop.

I'm not interested in that stuff, and there are hunting laws which often prohibit the hunting of pregnant females.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Edited later: i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?

Well, let's consider a couple of things for Islam Sharia.

The punishment for thieves and treating slaves.

It is written in Quran that punishment for stealing is cutting hand.
Now, it is beyond doubt that the thief must be punished, but to be fair, cutting hand is quite barbaric in our time. Why not imprisonment or assigning hard work so that, the thief through imprisonment and hard work, may be punished and also may have the chance to become upright, and still work. Isn't it possible that a thief may become upright, and start working? why cutting his hand, and taking the chance away from him, and not giving him the chance to work and live normally? When a hand is cut, if he becomes upright and wants to work, he would not be able to perform many of jobs, and perhaps people would not give him jobs either, since they can know his hand was cut.

Also, while Quran protects the right of slaves, and asks to treat them fairly yet it does not forbid having slaves or buying them. To be fair, one would expect that God does not allow slavery in the first place, and forbids it strongly and clearly rather than just protecting them or giving them right.

 

[McBell]

Muhammad was trader and not a butcher.

Mohammed was illiterate, not stupid.

You seem to be having a really hard time distinguishing the two.