Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Do you mean that in other parts of the world they did describe it also the same way as leech then chewed lump where the bones start to develop.

Here is a link to a book which explained the Japanese in the 7th century called the fetus a leech:

Read 1st paragraph p263:

It is no accident the leech is a symbol for miscarriages.

Imagining the Fetus the Unborn in Myth, Religion, and Culture - Montreal Vanessa R Sasson Professor of Religious Studies Marianopolis College, Jane Marie Law Associate Professor of Japanese Religion Cornell University - Google Books

The Greeks also described stages in more more detail.
However, like the Greeks Allah was ignorant about the female egg!

 

[FearGod]

Here is a link to a book which explained the Japanese in the 7th century called the fetus a leech:

Read 1st paragraph p263:

It is no accident the leech is a symbol for miscarriages.

Imagining the Fetus the Unborn in Myth, Religion, and Culture - Montreal Vanessa R Sasson Professor of Religious Studies Marianopolis College, Jane Marie Law Associate Professor of Japanese Religion Cornell University - Google Books

The Greeks also described stages in more more detail.
However, like the Greeks Allah was ignorant about the female egg!

Lol,the leech child is a myth and it isn't speaking about the progress of the fetus in the womb,good try,but that has nothing to do with the verse of discussion.

The myth of the leech child is telling that the child had born in such away due to transgression of the marriage rituals so that the child born with no limbs and with no bones.

I don't know what you did understand and what evidence you got from it other than nonsense.

 

[FearGod]

Well, let's consider a couple of things for Islam Sharia.

The punishment for thieves and treating slaves.

It is written in Quran that punishment for stealing is cutting hand.
Now, it is beyond doubt that the thief must be punished, but to be fair, cutting hand is quite barbaric in our time. Why not imprisonment or assigning hard work so that, the thief through imprisonment and hard work, may be punished and also may have the chance to become upright, and still work. Isn't it possible that a thief may become upright, and start working? why cutting his hand, and taking the chance away from him, and not giving him the chance to work and live normally? When a hand is cut, if he becomes upright and wants to work, he would not be able to perform many of jobs, and perhaps people would not give him jobs either, since they can know his hand was cut.

Also, while Quran protects the right of slaves, and asks to treat them fairly yet it does not forbid having slaves or buying them. To be fair, one would expect that God does not allow slavery in the first place, and forbids it strongly and clearly rather than just protecting them or giving them right.

Thieves,what a wonderful people.

The thief will use any method in order to steal ,so i don't know why you are feeling sad about those wonderful people.

They do harm and if they don't care about punishment even though being cutting the hands,then why to worry about them,did they feel sad when they harm people and get their money that they spent years working hard to save them.

Regarding slaves,no one can stop it,it is so annoying but no escape.

The only way to save the slaves is by paying money and it is a hard job,so God encourage to free them once it is possible and they paid money to free some but you can't free and feed them all.

The problem is the job,some governments can't build free houses and pay salaries for the jobless and hence the jobless will search for any job and sadly they are forced to work as slaves because they want to live and to sleep,in Islam as there is no escape then it is requested that the master should be kind,give them their rights and once they have a chance to be free to a better job then it is a good deed to let them free.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Thieves,what a wonderful people.

The thief will use any method in order to steal ,so i don't know why you are feeling sad about those wonderful people.

They do harm and if they don't care about punishment even though being cutting the hands,then why to worry about them,did they feel sad when they harm people and get their money that they spent years working hard to save them.

So, you are saying, it is not possible for a thief to change his way and do 'tobeh', and become righteous, therefore his hand must be cut. Is that right?

Regarding slaves,no one can stop it,it is so annoying but no escape.

The only way to save the slaves is by paying money and it is a hard job,so God encourage to free them once it is possible and they paid money to free some but you can't free and feed them all.

The problem is the job,some governments can't build free houses and pay salaries for the jobless and hence the jobless will search for any job and sadly they are forced to work as slaves because they want to live and to sleep,in Islam as there is no escape then it is requested that the master should be kind,give them their rights and once they have a chance to be free to a better job then it is a good deed to let them free.

The slavery I was referring is 'trade'. that is buying and selling people as a slave, and claim ownership. Quran does not say this is forbidden, does it? But for example with regards to adultery or alchohal consumption the Quran clearly forbids them. Thus if your argument is that, if Quran had forbidden slavery, the slavery still would have continued, then the same thing can be said about adultery and alcohol. The point is, if something is wrong, it is expected God to say it clearly it is forbidden as we see in case of Adultery, even though people are still committing adultery. Are you saying trading slaves is not as bad as adultery, or alcohol? what about eating pork?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

What is narrated is this: Muhammad was an illiterate man who could not read to learn from the Books. Moreover in those days Books and libraries were not as available and easily accessible as now. Moreover He lived among a wild and ignorant tribes, and there is no evidence that Muhammad before claiming Prophethood, He had teachers or someone to teach Him about various topics, such as religions, astronomy, etc...verbally, or at least there is no evidence for that. Now in such circumstances, it is really a mystery how He knew about these things.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem the least bit mysterious to me. It seems mundane.

Now, let's even assume that such knowledge about various topics existed in His time. It would still take quite a lot of effort to gather the information, then describe them in the Quranic style, but from the info available, it is unknown how He knew these things.

I don't think we know much about Muhammad. And I certainly don't believe that he narrated the Quran word-for-word as we have it today.

 

[FearGod]

So, you are saying, it is not possible for a thief to change his way and do 'tobeh', and become righteous, therefore his hand must be cut. Is that right?

We can also free the killers as well,they can be kind people once again,also the rapists,why not

The slavery I was referring is 'trade'. that is buying and selling people as a slave, and claim ownership. Quran does not say this is forbidden, does it? But for example with regards to adultery or alchohal consumption the Quran clearly forbids them. Thus if your argument is that, if Quran had forbidden slavery, the slavery still would have continued, then the same thing can be said about adultery and alcohol. The point is, if something is wrong, it is expected God to say it clearly it is forbidden as we see in case of Adultery, even though people are still committing adultery. Are you saying trading slaves is not as bad as adultery, or alcohol? what about eating pork?

Because you can't stop it.

Now lets take the simplest form of slavery,the domestic helpers or the maids,yes it is organized,you'll pay for the office to bring you one as to be yours and that will be in a form of a contract.

What is the job of the maid,do this,do that,clean this clean that and she has to serve you and your family for few money.


http://www.uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/globalwomanpt1.pdf

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Lol,the leech child is a myth and it isn't speaking about the progress of the fetus in the womb,good try,but that has nothing to do with the verse of discussion.

The myth of the leech child is telling that the child had born in such away due to transgression of the marriage rituals so that the child born with no limbs and with no bones.

I don't know what you did understand and what evidence you got from it other than nonsense.

I know it's a myth but the fact is they knew a fair bit about the fetus being like a leech due to miscarriages. It also shows Allah describes everything just like primitive people did. Whether it was the sky, the heavens or a fetus Allah always sounds like a 7th century human. :yes:

 

[FearGod]

I know it's a myth but the fact is they knew a fair bit about the fetus being like a leech due to miscarriages. It also shows Allah describes everything just like primitive people did. Whether it was the sky, the heavens or a fetus Allah always sounds like a 7th century human. :yes:

That has nothing to do with fetus progression,that myth is about the first child for Izanami and Izanagi,he grow up with no limps and then called the leech child.

Now you are saying it is saying the fetus is developed to leech,why the need to twist the story.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

We can also free the killers as well,they can be kind people once again,also the rapists,why not

The punishment serves several purposes. One is to safeguard and protect others, so for example if there was no punishment for a thief, then they had no fear of doing it, since there was no consequence.
I am not saying they should be free with no punishment. I said why not imprisonment for a thief? Or exile them to a far place, so they cannot harm others. Why cutting their hand?

Because you can't stop it.

You also cannot stop adultery, yet Quran forbids it. But with regards to slavery it doesn't forbid. That is the question!

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

That has nothing to do with fetus progression,that myth is about the first child for Izanami and Izanagi,he grow up with no limps and then called the leech child.

Now you are saying it is saying the fetus is developed to leech,why the need to twist the story.

No. I gave you a quote in my initial post:

Read 1st paragraph p263:

It is no accident the leech is a symbol for miscarriages.

People were aware that the fetus resembled a leech due to miscarriages.
Miscarriages can occur at different stages and babies can be still born.
Therefore, it is no surprise people had some knowledge on embryology.

 

[FearGod]

The punishment serves several purposes. One is to safeguard and protect others, so for example if there was no punishment for a thief, then they had no fear of doing it, since there was no consequence.
I am not saying they should be free with no punishment. I said why not imprisonment for a thief? Or exile them to a far place, so they cannot harm others. Why cutting their hand?

Imprisonment is to fear them and then cutting the hand is to fear them even more.

You also cannot stop adultery, yet Quran forbids it. But with regards to slavery it doesn't forbid. That is the question!

Adultery isn't needed,sex for pleasure only or sex for money,sex wasn't made for that purpose,God made us better than animals,so that sex should be managed for its noble goal.

Whereas slavery which is doing a specific job in order to stay alive is completely a different thing.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Adultery isn't needed,sex for pleasure only or sex for money,sex wasn't made for that purpose,God made us better than animals,so that sex should be managed for its noble goal.

Whereas slavery which is doing a specific job in order to stay alive is completely a different thing.

"Sex isn't for pleasure," yet Muhammad had at least four wives at one time? Hmmm... Something smells fishy here. I'm sure he neeeeeverrrr used any of them for pleasure... right? :sarcastic

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

Adultery isn't needed,sex for pleasure only or sex for money,sex wasn't made for that purpose,God made us better than animals,so that sex should be managed for its noble goal.

Whereas slavery which is doing a specific job in order to stay alive is completely a different thing.

So what's noble about having sex with your slave (rape):

Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Whereas slavery which is doing a specific job in order to stay alive is completely a different thing.

That's not what slavery is. Sounds like you're trying to play games with words here. Slavery is when one group of people comes in and conquers another group of people and forces them to serve the conquerors against their will, or these people are otherwise sold to a master and forced to serve him. You're being disingenuous by comparing slavery to working a minimum wage job.

 

[FearGod]

No. I gave you a quote in my initial post:

Read 1st paragraph p263:

It is no accident the leech is a symbol for miscarriages.

People were aware that the fetus resembled a leech due to miscarriages.
Miscarriages can occur at different stages and babies can be still born.
Therefore, it is no surprise people had some knowledge on embryology.

That is the author note and it has nothing to do with the actual story.

The story that the child had grow while have no limbs then after year 3 the child started to have limbs and becomes the deity Ebisu.

I don't know how you compare that nonsense to the fetus progress as the leech like structure then to the chewed lump where bones started to develop and to be covered with meat,so it is the chewed lump that grows to child and not the leech.

 

[Truthisnotyourenemy]

That is the author note and it has nothing to do with the actual story.

The story that the child had grow while have no limbs then after year 3 the child started to have limbs and becomes the deity Ebisu.

I don't know how you compare that nonsense to the fetus progress as the leech like structure then to the chewed lump where bones started to develop and to be covered with meat,so it is the chewed lump that grows to child and not the leech.

Yes it is the author's explanation that fetuses were recognised by primitive people as resembling leeches. This due to miscarriages and still born babies.
Hence the 'leech child was regarded as a primordial misscarriage', in the story.

The point is that primitive people could've learnt a lot about fetus development due to miscarriages and still born births.
It's no coincidence, they used the same word as Allah to describe the fetus at an early stage!

 

[FearGod]

"Sex isn't for pleasure," yet Muhammad had at least four wives at one time? Hmmm... Something smells fishy here. I'm sure he neeeeeverrrr used any of them for pleasure... right? :sarcastic

It isn't a big issue,at that period of time women worth nothing and in other words Muhammed if interesting in women then he can have a hundred of them for pleasure with that pagan style of life,but he married a woman older than him and didn't think of marriage even though he reached the age of 25,so a man in his youth not looking for a young girl but he married a woman older than him and they stayed together for 25 years,can you tell me why he has to live with one woman for 25 years and until he became 50 years old.

He spent all the years for the message and not for the *******,so i think it is stupid to think that the prophet was interesting in women.

 

[FearGod]

So what's noble about having sex with your slave (rape):

Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.

I don't believe about those silly stories about having sex with slaves.
Any sexual relationship outside marriage is adultery.

 

[FearGod]

Yes it is the author's explanation that fetuses were recognised by primitive people as resembling leeches. This due to miscarriages and still born babies.
Hence the 'leech child was regarded as a primordial misscarriage', in the story.

The point is that primitive people could've learnt a lot about fetus development due to miscarriages and still born births.
It's no coincidence, they used the same word as Allah to describe the fetus at an early stage!

See it as you wish.

 

[FearGod]

That's not what slavery is. Sounds like you're trying to play games with words here. Slavery is when one group of people comes in and conquers another group of people and forces them to serve the conquerors against their will, or these people are otherwise sold to a master and forced to serve him. You're being disingenuous by comparing slavery to working a minimum wage job.

It isn't me who is playing with words but we are talking about facts.

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