Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[psychoslice]

Out of the various religions I researched, Islam was the one that I found the least value or truth in.

With other religions I generally came away with some interesting points, but with Islam I found virtually nothing that was both unique and profound. The Qu'ran is the most sadistic of religious texts that I've read, and with the least philosophical complexity in it, and I have a very big set of ethical differences from the majority of Muslims that I've discussed anything with at length.

So I view Islam as a very much human-created religion, and one of the least valuable or interesting ones.

This what I found also, I read the Quran with an open mind, but I just could not feel any love within its pages, I felt it was a wast of time, but that is my own personal opinion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I am also aware that schisms have occurred: the schismatics simply failed to obtain a following.

And let all in this conversation understand: I do not mean any disrespect to ANY of the faiths I mentioned. To my mind, the only unfruitful path, the only path worthy of actual condemnation, is the path that causes harm to others or to self. I see all of us, whether we believe in many Gods, one God, or no Gods as people who are walking the best we can, by the light that we have.

I didn't think it was disrespectful, just wanted to correct any misunderstanding.
It might be good to know why other previous religions were divided but the Baha'i Faith practically did not. The reason is, in previous religions, the Founder did not determine in writing who or how the successors after Himself to be followed, hence after Him, some for the sake of leadership or other motivations, created divisions and claimed successorship. In Baha'i faith's scriptures it is written who and how the successors must be, thus it leaves no way for anyone to claim leadership other than the ones already determined in Baha'i Scriptures, hence if someone claimed to be a true successor, soon those who become aware of the scriptures would realize that is got to be a fake successor.

 

[technomage]

I didn't think it was disrespectful, just wanted to correct any misunderstanding.
It might be good to know why other previous religions were divided but the Baha'i Faith practically did not. The reason is, in previous religions, the Founder did not determine in writing who or how the successors after Himself to be followed, hence after Him, some for the sake of leadership or other motivations, created divisions and claimed successorship. In Baha'i faith's scriptures it is written who and how the successors must be, thus it leaves no way for anyone to claim leadership other than the ones already determined in Baha'i Scriptures, hence if someone claimed to be a true successor, soon those who become aware of the scriptures would realize that is got to be a fake successor.

The issue of successors was only one factor that led to problems in Islam. There was also tribal and intra-group tension, and the desire for power-over. Baha'i has also striven to take steps to avoid these things as well, and from what I have seen, has done fairly successfully.

There is much to admire within Baha'i, as there is much to admire within Islam. The best that I can say for each is "The path does not fit my foot." That indicates neither a defect with the path, nor a defect with my foot--simply that these are paths I cannot walk. But I can respect, admire, and offer peace and friendship with those who do.

 

[Pegg]

i mean is there any Islamic teaching against humanity? against science? against moral values? any mistake you ever found in Quran?

the Quran can only be read in Arabic, hence its only for Arabs. God is the creator of all mankind, but the Quran is not for all mankind. Its only for those who can read Arabic.

I can't imagine a universal God would not speak to all nations in the languages they can understand, do you?

 

[McBell]

the Quran can only be read in Arabic, hence its only for Arabs. God is the creator of all mankind, but the Quran is not for all mankind. Its only for those who can read Arabic.

I can't imagine a universal God would not speak to all nations in the languages they can understand, do you?

Just like the Bible, there are translations of the Koran into many other languages.

So I find it particularly interesting that you would harp on an issue the Koran shares with your bible.

 

[technomage]

Just like the Bible, there are translations of the Koran into many other languages.

So I find it particularly interesting that you would harp on an issue the Koran shares with your bible.

While Pegg may not have phrased her point succinctly, the issue here is that the Qur'an is supposed to be read only in Arabic. Any other translation is deprecated, and translated Qsr'ans are viewed as inferior to one in the original language.

 

[Pegg]

Just like the Bible, there are translations of the Koran into many other languages.

So I find it particularly interesting that you would harp on an issue the Koran shares with your bible.

if you attend a muslim service and the quran is being recited, it will only be recited in arabic.

So what will i learn from the Quran if i attend a service? Zilch.

 

[McBell]

While Pegg may not have phrased her point succinctly, the issue here is that the Qur'an is supposed to be read only in Arabic. Any other translation is deprecated, and translated Qsr'ans are viewed as inferior to one in the original language.

Who makes the claim the Koran must be read in the original language?

 

[McBell]

if you attend a muslim service and the quran is being recited, it will only be recited in arabic.

So what will i learn from the Quran if i attend a service? Zilch.

The mosque here in my neck of the woods recites the Koran in English...

 

[Pegg]

The mosque here in my neck of the woods recites the Koran in English...

thats the first i've heard of it

Here its all read out in arabic.

 

[McBell]

thats the first i've heard of it

Here its all read out in arabic.

I have been to three Mosques during service and all three of them recited the Koran in English.

Don't get me wrong, I am not claiming that my experiences are how all Mosques are conducted. Merely explaining the source of my confusion.

 

[technomage]

Who makes the claim the Koran must be read in the original language?

In Islam, a translation to any language is considered an interpretation of the Qur'an, not the actual Qur'an itself. Recitation is also done in Arabic. Even Pickthall, an English convert to Islam, called his translation "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran" rather than referring to it as the Qur'an.

Of course, if Pegg complains about this restriction, she has only to learn Arabic.

 

[Pegg]

I have been to three Mosques during service and all three of them recited the Koran in English.

Don't get me wrong, I am not claiming that my experiences are how all Mosques are conducted. Merely explaining the source of my confusion.

thats fair enough,

I've heard from someone who spent some time in Iraq that mosques are generally run independently from any one organized body...so each mosque can be quite different to another.

 

[Pegg]

Of course, if Pegg complains about this restriction, she has only to learn Arabic.

i'll get right onto that.... just not today

 

[technomage]

i'll get right onto that.... just not today

Yeah, me too.

 

[columbus]

Just like the Bible, there are translations of the Koran into many other languages.

So I find it particularly interesting that you would harp on an issue the Koran shares with your bible.

The Quran and the Bible aren't really comparable. The Bible is about God's gift to humanity, whereas the Quran is the gift itself. The difference is important.

Tom

 

[askersha]

hello guys! I have joined such type of religious community for the first time, and I'm curious about knowing answer for the question "have you ever found any bug in Islam?" if yes, please tell me. I was sort of polytheist before, but now i'm just a Muslim after knowing strong arguments of Muslim scholars.

Bug #1:

Quran say, "had it not been from Allah, it would have had contradictions in it."

Thus Quran is claiming that it has no contradictions in it. But I found many contradictions. First we will talk about this one:

In Surah 9: Al-Tauba, right from its beginning, there are strict orders of slaying non-Muslims wherever you find them. The Surah is full of violence.
But Surah Al-Kaafiroon clearly infers that if non-Muslims engage in debate with you, then go on for a while, then if they don't agree with you, then say "for you is your religion and for me is mine." A peaceful strategy.

A contradiction!!!

 

[McBell]

The Quran and the Bible aren't really comparable. The Bible is about God's gift to humanity, whereas the Quran is the gift itself. The difference is important.

Tom

That is certainly one to look at it.

However, it is also not the only way.

 

[technomage]

Bug #1:

Quran say, "had it not been from Allah, it would have had contradictions in it."

Thus Quran is claiming that it has no contradictions in it. But I found many contradictions. First we will talk about this one:

In Surah 9: Al-Tauba, right from its beginning, there are strict orders of slaying non-Muslims wherever you find them. The Surah is full of violence.
But Surah Al-Kaafiroon clearly infers that if non-Muslims engage in debate with you, then go on for a while, then if they don't agree with you, then say "for you is your religion and for me is mine." A peaceful strategy.

A contradiction!!!

Any argument of contradictions can also be applied to Christianity.

Don't get me wrong--I disagree with Islam. But some of the reasons for my disagreement with Islam also apply to Christianity.

 

[McBell]

Any argument of contradictions can also be applied to Christianity.

Agreed.
However, the OP is specifically asking for "bugs" in the Koran.