'He did nothing wrong': Family of Texas entrepreneur fatally shot by police say he was defending his

[Subduction Zone]

A discussion by internet denizens is
the right time to form opinions without
a full court hearing.

Then it is wrong to rush to judgement.

Based upon the news report I saw,
which had cops alerted merely to
an armed man. No shots fired.

The news story also did not say "no shots fired". That was a rush to judgement.

It appeared that the cops didn't know that.
Speaking of ignoring things....
You've ignored the cop giving no time to
drop the rifle. Just opening fire.

And here you are wrong. If you listened to the last videos that I linked you can hear, from the cop car, the sound of the gun shot that was made by the homeowner about 6 seconds before he was shot. The cops definitely heard the second shot and the one that drove up at the time of the first shot probably heard that as well. They knew that it was an active shooter situation.

I didn't see the cops hearing a shot...until their own.

Then you did not pay attention. And you do not "see" that. You hear that. They heard the second shot.

Perhaps you're too "support the blue"?
Kill first, investigate later, eh.

I don't think so. From what I have seen the cop that shot him did rush things. But considering everything it will fail if someone charges him with murder.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay, in the second video of the three you can year at 6 second and and 1:50 seconds (two different body cams) the sound of the second gunshot.

The cops heard the shots. If you can hear it on the video they definitely heard it in real life.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-releases-video-from-fatal-south-austin-police-shooting/

 

[Revoltingest]

Then it is wrong to rush to judgement.

Especially against the victim.

The news story also did not say "no shots fired". That was a rush to judgement.

I didn't claim that quote.
Only that the cops weren't informed that shots were fired.

And here you are wrong. If you listened to the last videos that I linked you can hear, from the cop car, the sound of the gun shot that was made by the homeowner about 6 seconds before he was shot. The cops definitely heard the second shot and the one that drove up at the time of the first shot probably heard that as well. They knew that it was an active shooter situation.


Then you did not pay attention. And you do not "see" that. You hear that. They heard the second shot.



I don't think so. From what I have seen the cop that shot him did rush things. But considering everything it will fail if someone charges him with murder.

I think you're trying to hard
to blame the victim, & excuse
the cops.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Especially against the victim.

I did not rush either way. I explained what the victim did that was wrong. I did not say that mean that he deserved to be shot.

I didn't claim that quote.
Only that the cops weren't informed that shots were fired.

It was a rather strong implication since you did not appear to consider the possibility.

I think you're trying to hard
to blame the victim, & excuse
the cops.

No, the cops were in a very very bad situation where they had to react immediately. I actually like your drone idea because in situations where they could be used it would take off the pressure to react now.

If you watched the homeowner walking around the house and how he was carrying that gun it should have set off all sorts of alarms. He did not know how to carry it or how to respect it. I could easily see him accidentally shooting himself or others with the way he let that barrel fly around.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, the cops were in a very very bad situation where they had to react immediately.

Sounds like you've judged that prematurely.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sounds like you've judged that prematurely.

Not at all. Deciding to do nothing is also a reaction.

 

[Watchmen]

I judge based upon what I've seen.

And do you acknowledge that what you’ve seen isn’t the whole story? Do you acknowledge the facts Subduction Zone provided?

 

[Watchmen]

Sounds like you've judged that prematurely.

You’re ignoring facts and you’re biased. We all know you hate cops. You post about it everyday. The cop reform movement would be much better if those promoting reform could at least be honest with the encounters getting media attention.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Which is the wrong thing to do at times. At the start you totally ignored the possibility of police reacting to an active shooter event. Then when it was shown that the homeowner shot into his own house, for what now appears to be no reason, you still appeared to discount that possibility. Finally the latest videos that I posted demonstrated that the cops definitely heard the second shot fired (that we know of) by the home owner. Being anti-cop can make someone too ready to blame the cops. I remember when the Kyle Rittenhouse event was being discussed here. I was one of the few that called it right. I did not rush to judgement in that case either.

And you entirely ignore the cop said drop it amd immediately shot after he said that. He didn't give the guy time to actually drop it, and because he didn't identify himself the guy probably wouldn't have dropped it had he time to react.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And do you acknowledge that what you’ve seen isn’t the whole story? Do you acknowledge the facts Subduction Zone provided?

He doesn't have anything the rest of us don't have.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you entirely ignore the cop said drop it amd immediately shot after he said that. He didn't give the guy time to actually drop it, and because he didn't identify himself the guy probably wouldn't have dropped it had he time to react.

Nope. I did not ignore that. There was no time to identify. The homeowner had already fired his gun at least twice.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nope. I did not ignore that. There was no time to identify. The homeowner had already fired his gun at least twice.

There is always time to identify, and doing so makes the difference between someone they are identifying recognizing them and backing down and having no idea who or what and seeing a threat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is always time to identify, and doing so makes the difference between someone they are identifying recognizing them and backing down and having no idea who or what and seeing a threat.

Not when the person that you are talking to is heavily armed and has already used one's weapon.

 

[Sand Dancer]

'He did nothing wrong': Family of Texas entrepreneur fatally shot by police say he was defending his home (msn.com)

Maybe they don't like brown guys having guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not at all. Deciding to do nothing is also a reaction.

We each have reactions.
I prefer mine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe they don't like brown guys having guns.

And to a larger extent, any guy having a gun.
95% of shootings are of men.

 

[Revoltingest]

And do you acknowledge that what you’ve seen isn’t the whole story? Do you acknowledge the facts Subduction Zone provided?

Of course there will be more info.
You may wait, but I'm ready to judge.

Consider that we're internet forum gadflies.
We may be quick to judge, which is useful
to enhance discussion. But were we in a
jury, we'd of course be more deliberate.

 

[Revoltingest]

You’re ignoring facts and you’re biased.

Lighten up, dude. No opinions expressed here
will affect the real world one whit. (Whit = Iota)
Another case of....

 

[Watchmen]

Of course there will be more info.
You may wait, but I'm ready to judge.

Consider that we're internet forum gadflies.
We may be quick to judge, which is useful
to enhance discussion. But were we in a
jury, we'd of course be more deliberate.

Internet forum or not, your judgment is premature and off base given the known facts.

 

[Watchmen]

Lighten up, dude. No opinions expressed here
will affect the real world one whit. (Whit = Iota)
Another case of....

I’m not the one who is riled up.