In basic terms Hell is for bad doers and Heaven :angel2: for good. If you are a bad doer wouldnt Hell be just a place for you? Youd only be following your new masters direction, the Satins directions - so why believe that he will burn you for eternity? If Satan despises God, wouldnt the most logical next step be for him to refuse and pretty much say No, you want me to punish these well obeyed souls (as in doing bad things) because they havent listened to you, well no sir! I think Ill do the opposite just to **** you off or something along those lines. Im being very broad and plain with this but put a side 3 pages of explanations why Hell exist and how its created for soul purpose of our punishment.
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Hell or Heaven just dont make sense.
- Thread starter hadzo
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I like to think of "heaven" and "hell" as states of being and not literal places. If you think of them symbolically, then they will make more sense (maybe).
Oneatatime
Huh?
Then why all the graphic pictures of people being tortured in hell while the 'good' people watched on smiling in heaven? At least for a time it was intended to be perceived as a very real place for those who didn't do what the Church told them too, and in some sects of Christianity its an its still viewed as real. Argueing that these things weren't supposed to be taken literally is really just an attempt to save face now that, at least in the more educated and developed countries, peoples willingness to believe such nonsense has somewhat lessened of late.
It's like the politician who later comes to regret saying something which at the time was politically expedient but is now rather embaressing.
outhouse
Atheistically
you mean those fictional pictures done hundreds of years after the bible was finished and the original intent long gone and interpretated differently???
really
All i did was ask a question
answer me this, what description is there of such places once one is there????
you might as well break down the difference between heaven and hell because I can show that hell evolved over a 1600 year period into the hell you know today. Less is known about such a place as heaven and you can find contradicting passages
carry on
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
I can't remember where, but the dimensions of Heaven are specified.I like to think of "heaven" and "hell" as states of being and not literal places. If you think of them symbolically, then they will make more sense (maybe).
Second star on the left, and straight on...?
outhouse
Atheistically
Can't something symbolic have dimensions? Besides, I wasn't really talking about the "Kingdom of God" which is described as being "among us".
Oneatatime
Huh?
you mean those fictional pictures done hundreds of years after the bible was finished and the original intent long gone and interpretated differently???
really
All i did was ask a question
answer me this, what description is there of such places once one is there????
you might as well break down the difference between heaven and hell because I can show that hell evolved over a 1600 year period into the hell you know today. Less is known about such a place as heaven and you can fin cobtradicting passages
carry on
So it only qualifies as being a part of Christianity if its in the Bible? Thats an odd claim to make given that nearly all forms of Christianity have made additions, alternations and ommissions to their particular brand of it and can hardly be said to be true to the Bible. Even the Bible itself has been edited over the generations.
I'm also curious about what makes the Bible itself anymore reliable than what was made up later on. Prusumably if you believe that the authors of the Bible were guided by the hand of God then why couldn't those who contributed to the notions of hell have equally been guided by God? Are you really argueing that revelation only really happens when the revealed information supports your position? How convienient
No one religious myth has any real claim to higher authenticity than another. I accept that Gods existance is possibility but any further claims after that amounts to little more than pure fantasy except those parts which draw upon independently verifiable historic events, at least as much as these events can be verified.
Your turn
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
It sounds like you've picked up too narrow a description of Heaven and hell!
My religion describes them as spiritual nearness to and spiritual separation from God, and states they exist here and now as well as after death!
It further says one's initial condition then is the direct result of one's own choices and the extent to which one has (or hasn't) developed the spiritual virtues it's our role to be acquiring here and now.
It also states that God, in HIs infinite Love and Mercy, can assist even those individuals who've placed themselves farthest away from Him (hell) eventually to achieve nearness to Him (Heaven).
So I humbly suggest to you that the outlook is far more positive than the common stereotype suggests!
(Quotes upon request.)
Peace,
Bruce
My religion describes them as spiritual nearness to and spiritual separation from God, and states they exist here and now as well as after death!
It further says one's initial condition then is the direct result of one's own choices and the extent to which one has (or hasn't) developed the spiritual virtues it's our role to be acquiring here and now.
It also states that God, in HIs infinite Love and Mercy, can assist even those individuals who've placed themselves farthest away from Him (hell) eventually to achieve nearness to Him (Heaven).
So I humbly suggest to you that the outlook is far more positive than the common stereotype suggests!
(Quotes upon request.)
Peace,
Bruce
We all have to keep in mind that just because something doesn't make sense to us, that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to anyone else.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Well, no. How can a symbol have a size?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Right, anything which talks about existing after you die makes no sense. Of course, people who hold the beliefs that such places actually exist don't really care whether it makes sense or not.
Muhktar
Alhamdulillah
In the view of Islam, if you go to hell, Satan does not become your ruler.
He is there with you, being punished by the Angels of God, and he is getting the worst punishment of all. You could also note that Hell is not eternal for all, if one has even an atom's weight of faith in them, they will enter paradise at some time.
He is there with you, being punished by the Angels of God, and he is getting the worst punishment of all. You could also note that Hell is not eternal for all, if one has even an atom's weight of faith in them, they will enter paradise at some time.
outhouse
Atheistically
I wish if there was such a place
that criminals and scumbags could not get out with a little faith "ever"
Muhktar
Alhamdulillah
I suppose what I like about this system is these criminals and scumbags are not only punished, but those who have suffered because of them are compensated in Heaven.
