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Hello :) Unstructured thoughts, can anyone relate?

robyngrace

New Member
This isn’t a topic or a debate its just me talking about something that may seem trivial to many, but hopefully resonate in others. You may not understand the point of what I’m saying, but if you can relate to ANY of it, please let me know.

Hello my name is Robyn, and I'd recently decided to explore the thoughts that would pop into my head, instead of instantly naming them tautology's or disregarding them completely under the pretences that I simply have an over active imagination.

For a long time I struggled to understand how the majority of people I interacted with thought so differently to me. That thought alone greatly impacted not only the way I viewed the world, but how I lived my life.
For a short time I became quite arrogant in myself. I wouldn't project that, but innately I thought that I was better than the majority because I could see and understand things that they seemed oblivious too.

I felt like there was nothing I was really interested in, and after a few agonizing years accepting this my own logic told me I could hardly claim nothing interested me when I didn't have full knowledge of the world and all it encompasses, so how could I possibly assume there was nothing for me?

So, I followed the route that I now chuckle at... I wanted something different, something my mind wouldn't automatically name trivial.. and what did I discover?

Conspiracy Theories *gasp sigh yawn laugh*

So as I studied the Illuminati and the Myans I felt asif my mind was opening with all the new knowledge. Finally something I could really get my teeth into, all I wanted was more! But then as the excited eased unfortunately the extremely logical side of my mind decided to return and in an instant my new exciting world crashed and burned, all because of one thought "Everything you are reading is opinion." Of course my mind hadn't immediately accepted everything I'd read, so I would automatically form my own opinion on the matters. So I wasn't learning anything 'purposeful' I was simply making my opinions on others opinions that they had made from others opinions!
My brain couldn't accept that; I never read another theory.

In hind site I can understand what drew me to conspiracy's, but I now study Philosophy, so anyone that has minimal knowledge in both fields will understand why I cringe when I think back to a time when my mind not only accepted them, but even cared!

So I then found Philosophy, and loved every minute of it! But as I studied more and more I relaised I had to put a wall between my own Philosophy, and the Philosophers I was studying or else I got, basically *edit*. I hope a few people get what I mean about this, and if this site is full of the kind of minds I hope then I would like to discuss this part more, but I can already tell I’m rambling so Ill stick to the point I originally planned.

The one thing Iearned early on was to contemplate all possible answers to a question. I learned that instead of doing what I did with the Conspiracy Theories and think of as much I can to back my argument to prove it is true, I would only be able to find truth if instead of backing up a statement I disputed it. If I could dispute it, there was doubt which meant it was not necessarily true. I also realised that when I structured my thoughts this way I didn’t even have to form an opinion, I much preferred knowing all the possibility’s as I could then form an opinion on the likeliness of something being true instead of forming my view on the actual subject, which would lead to a bias conclusion. If I disputed it, I would not completely accept it, but also not completely disregard it, so I was not closing my mind to the possibilities that would arise if it was true or false, and gain a much more knowledgeable outlook on the subject which was enough to stop the information head*edit*.
(I realise this paragraph may not make sense as I am not using an example but do hope that you will at least be able to get the gist of what I’m trying to explain)

The issue with this method of thinking are obvious; it meant that I could not form a strong opinion, which is fine when studying, but not when I try to deal with things closer to home. But the biggest problem for me is the major contradiction in it all. I am not forming my own opinions so I can be completely impartial, because without being impartial you cannot truly think laterally and truly UNDERSTAND information, instead of PERCEIVING information. But am I not disadvantaging myself in anyway by being impartial? Am I being so unbiased that I’m actually being biased about being biased? To someone that does not completely understanding what I am saying they would say I’m simply overthinking. Which if this was the way I was dealing with lifes small issues or relationships they would be right, but I am not. The term overthinking holds negative connotations when I really don’t think it should.

I know this has been very long winded and thank anyone that is still reading this. I could have made it shorter but then it would of lacked information that to you may seem trivial, but necessary. It is very hard to put conscious thoughts that have never required language into words and harder to get someone to understand them, truly.

The thing is, this is not even a issue that ***** up my head, its simply the method my mind uses to deal with issues!

Lastly, back to the original thought I said had been bugging me, that people thought differently to me. I feel like 95 percent f the population are narrow minded to the point where their closed minds can only be described and DUMB. They cannot see obvious things that I do, not only ways of dealing with situations, but preventing them in the first place. I am not going to give any more examples because we would be here all day but you catch my drift, the issue isn’t the way they think differently, the issue is if they really do? By saying people don’t think like me I have to decide whos different, me or them? To say them is extremely illogical, like how someone insane would claim it’s everyone else that’s crazy not them; but to say its me that’s different is equally ridiculous and I would be claiming I am ‘special’ which I do not believe.

Is this the kind of site for this kind of thing? As you can probably tell this is not a very well-constructed thought as this is the first time Ive been able to get it on paper, and I don’t think you can really understand something until you’ve had different opinions on it. I love nothing more than to hear about how peoples mind works and how they process certain things, so even if you cannot relate to any of this, I really would appreciate any feedback you have
 
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Knight of Albion

Well-Known Member
A very warm welcome to the forum, dear Robyn.

You clearly have a very active mind... I think the thing is is to find a positive outlet for all that.

You are 'special'! You are you and you are here to be you! We all are. To add to the world that golden element within that makes you unique.
 

Orias

Left Hand Path
This isn’t a topic or a debate its just me talking about something that may seem trivial to many, but hopefully resonate in others. You may not understand the point of what I’m saying, but if you can relate to ANY of it, please let me know.

Hello my name is Robyn, and I'd recently decided to explore the thoughts that would pop into my head, instead of instantly naming them tautology's or disregarding them completely under the pretences that I simply have an over active imagination.

For a long time I struggled to understand how the majority of people I interacted with thought so differently to me. That thought alone greatly impacted not only the way I viewed the world, but how I lived my life.
For a short time I became quite arrogant in myself. I wouldn't project that, but innately I thought that I was better than the majority because I could see and understand things that they seemed oblivious too.

I felt like there was nothing I was really interested in, and after a few agonizing years accepting this my own logic told me I could hardly claim nothing interested me when I didn't have full knowledge of the world and all it encompasses, so how could I possibly assume there was nothing for me?

So, I followed the route that I now chuckle at... I wanted something different, something my mind wouldn't automatically name trivial.. and what did I discover?

Conspiracy Theories *gasp sigh yawn laugh*

So as I studied the Illuminati and the Myans I felt asif my mind was opening with all the new knowledge. Finally something I could really get my teeth into, all I wanted was more! But then as the excited eased unfortunately the extremely logical side of my mind decided to return and in an instant my new exciting world crashed and burned, all because of one thought "Everything you are reading is opinion." Of course my mind hadn't immediately accepted everything I'd read, so I would automatically form my own opinion on the matters. So I wasn't learning anything 'purposeful' I was simply making my opinions on others opinions that they had made from others opinions!
My brain couldn't accept that; I never read another theory.

In hind site I can understand what drew me to conspiracy's, but I now study Philosophy, so anyone that has minimal knowledge in both fields will understand why I cringe when I think back to a time when my mind not only accepted them, but even cared!

So I then found Philosophy, and loved every minute of it! But as I studied more and more I relaised I had to put a wall between my own Philosophy, and the Philosophers I was studying or else I got, basically head****ed. I hope a few people get what I mean about this, and if this site is full of the kind of minds I hope then I would like to discuss this part more, but I can already tell I’m rambling so Ill stick to the point I originally planned.

The one thing Iearned early on was to contemplate all possible answers to a question. I learned that instead of doing what I did with the Conspiracy Theories and think of as much I can to back my argument to prove it is true, I would only be able to find truth if instead of backing up a statement I disputed it. If I could dispute it, there was doubt which meant it was not necessarily true. I also realised that when I structured my thoughts this way I didn’t even have to form an opinion, I much preferred knowing all the possibility’s as I could then form an opinion on the likeliness of something being true instead of forming my view on the actual subject, which would lead to a bias conclusion. If I disputed it, I would not completely accept it, but also not completely disregard it, so I was not closing my mind to the possibilities that would arise if it was true or false, and gain a much more knowledgeable outlook on the subject which was enough to stop the information head****.
(I realise this paragraph may not make sense as I am not using an example but do hope that you will at least be able to get the gist of what I’m trying to explain)

The issue with this method of thinking are obvious; it meant that I could not form a strong opinion, which is fine when studying, but not when I try to deal with things closer to home. But the biggest problem for me is the major contradiction in it all. I am not forming my own opinions so I can be completely impartial, because without being impartial you cannot truly think laterally and truly UNDERSTAND information, instead of PERCEIVING information. But am I not disadvantaging myself in anyway by being impartial? Am I being so unbiased that I’m actually being biased about being biased? To someone that does not completely understanding what I am saying they would say I’m simply overthinking. Which if this was the way I was dealing with lifes small issues or relationships they would be right, but I am not. The term overthinking holds negative connotations when I really don’t think it should.

I know this has been very long winded and thank anyone that is still reading this. I could have made it shorter but then it would of lacked information that to you may seem trivial, but necessary. It is very hard to put conscious thoughts that have never required language into words and harder to get someone to understand them, truly.

The thing is, this is not even a issue that ***** up my head, its simply the method my mind uses to deal with issues!

Lastly, back to the original thought I said had been bugging me, that people thought differently to me. I feel like 95 percent f the population are narrow minded to the point where their closed minds can only be described and DUMB. They cannot see obvious things that I do, not only ways of dealing with situations, but preventing them in the first place. I am not going to give any more examples because we would be here all day but you catch my drift, the issue isn’t the way they think differently, the issue is if they really do? By saying people don’t think like me I have to decide whos different, me or them? To say them is extremely illogical, like how someone insane would claim it’s everyone else that’s crazy not them; but to say its me that’s different is equally ridiculous and I would be claiming I am ‘special’ which I do not believe.

Is this the kind of site for this kind of thing? As you can probably tell this is not a very well-constructed thought as this is the first time Ive been able to get it on paper, and I don’t think you can really understand something until you’ve had different opinions on it. I love nothing more than to hear about how peoples mind works and how they process certain things, so even if you cannot relate to any of this, I really would appreciate any feedback you have


I think you are wrong in not giving people the benefit of the doubt, everyone has a sense of magic, even though tolerance of it is something to be practiced. Magic is the very influence of everything around us, every being that exists has their own personal philosophy and influence upon the world. Its been marginalized however, due to our understanding of psychology.

Not to mention, relationships are not bound by judgement, rather affluence. While I believe people are "stupid" or "dumb" I do not believe that it wholesomely defines a character trait because everyone who is ignorant in an area/concept can come off as "stupid" to those who "potentially" know more than others. Arrogance, usually in my experience arrogant people usually think other people are arrogant. Though I don't think its a bad thing, just a flaw of sorts, which can drive other people to be "better".

Other than that I wouldn't say you're any different than other people, biologically speaking we are all same, obviously biological effects can carry over into psychological development via experience. Everything is relatable, hence empathy ;)

Welcome to the forum.

 
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