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Help Wanted: Fecund Female To Bear Neanderthal
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What about parents who knowingly give birth to a baby with a genetic defect?
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Exactly. That was a representation of a scenario to be avoided. Hardly optimal.
Again, I don't think that such a thing is "fated". It might be probable, but that doesn't mean it is unavoidable.
Perhaps we'd have to expand our little moral universe to include sentient beings that aren't "human". We'd have to do the same if we encountered an alien, or created a robotic, sapience as well.
Koldo
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opcorn:
I think there's a difference between that and something like the experiment in question, where "producing" such a creature would be deliberate:
(Quoted from the article in the OP.)
But I have to admit that I find the question about giving birth to babies with genetic defects to be a tricky one. I'm not sure I hold a certain position one way or another, though I wouldn't negatively judge parents who knowingly give birth to said children.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I see it as unavoidable at present time.
If there is racism among homo sapiens, how can there not be racism to another species?
Do you mean when recognizing human rights?
This would be complicated if said being had daily outbursts like many chimps, for example.
We'd be bringing them into a world of bigotry, but that's the case for us humans too.
Would it be worse for them? Who knows.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
And who is going to suffer if it ends up being far worse ?
If you're asking they'd suffer if it were worse for them, then yes.
But I'd say the primary potential for suffering isn't discrimination, but rather their
isolation because of being different & from being subject to the experiment.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
If they start breeding and are given human rights, i don't see isolation as much of a problem, except if/when caused by discrimination. Plus they wouldn't be subject to any experiment unless they wanted to.
Agreed. The science the article is presenting frankly smells like bunk.
True dat.
It would be unavoidable, since their very creation would be an experiment.
So the question becomes what degree of experimentation is appropriate, looking at it from the voluntary & involuntary aspects.
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Taking racism and tribalism into account, this should absolutely not be done until those behaviors are fully brought in check.
In addition, there would be those people who would seek to eradicate them because "they were never supposed to be alive today."
It would be unfair and unjust to bring them into a world where such people exist.
In addition, there would be those people who would seek to eradicate them because "they were never supposed to be alive today."
It would be unfair and unjust to bring them into a world where such people exist.
Because there is also a growing majority of people who are not racists.
I expect that there would be racism. But should the existence of bigots drown out the rest of us who'd accept this new cousin as something of equal worth to ourselves?
No, that's precisely my point. We'd need to change our approach. It wouldn't be "human rights". It would be something broader. It would be "rights of all sapient beings" or something like that.
I would think this awareness of another sentient species would be consciousness raising... if handled correctly. In an ideal scenario, it would lead to a trickle down effect, where not only intelligent creatures are afforded rights, but all creatures are, and lead to greater respect for plant and animal life all around.
We'll never be perfect. But we're good enuf.
(Note: I'm still not saying it's right. I'm just not sure how wrong it is.)
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Does white black racism still exist in the USA.
many of us were adults when racial equality was still a dream.
During the WW2 we could not understand why the Black soldiers were segregated... there never has been segregation in the UK even during the time of the slave trade.
As we are all partly descendent's of Nandys, and they were such a peaceful race, I think they would be welcome.
many of us were adults when racial equality was still a dream.
During the WW2 we could not understand why the Black soldiers were segregated... there never has been segregation in the UK even during the time of the slave trade.
As we are all partly descendent's of Nandys, and they were such a peaceful race, I think they would be welcome.
See Study casts doubt on human-Neanderthal interbreeding theory.
This strikes me as one of those cases where we pretend to know qualitatively more than we actually know.
Really? Is de facto segregatoion is better than de juro segregation?
Point out the black fella in this pic for me.
Unless they were Republicans.
I'm just josh'n ya!
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
That study is not yet peer reviewed, and already disputed.
Not that it matters that much. They certainly shared territory if not blood.
If they could interbreed they probably did to some extent. Perhaps we need the new experiment to find the answers.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
You show a picture of a TV program describing a time when 500 titled families ruled society in Britain.
There were quite a few black citizens in the UK with at least one accepted into that illustrious fold.
Class was far more important than colour. Upper class families from any country notwithstanding their colour were equally acceptable.
Class is a serious matter Colour is not......Collonials can be accepted for their money but little else.