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Here is a good reason why people are offended by your faith

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
You are really misinterpreting the situation here.

Iam interpreting it from my islamic perspective. Other muslims might disagree. Thats why we have sects.

However i believe God is not unjust for creating hellfire, but human is unjust for rejecting God. Because God has sent prophets/messengers as mercy( to show us the stairway to God).

So a human is being unjust to himself by rejecting salvation.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Iam interpreting it from my islamic perspective. Other muslims might disagree. Thats why we have sects.
Frankly, that is a very weak excuse. You are a human being, and for that reason alone you ought to do better than that.

That is before even considering how serious a religious life you aim to have.
However i believe God is not unjust for creating hellfire, but human is unjust for rejecting God. Because God has sent prophets/messengers as mercy( to show us the stairway to God).

So a human is being unjust to himself by rejecting salvation.
So, I take it you do not trust God's judgement when he chose to (from all appearances) decide to make an unbeliever out of me?

Do you think you know better than Him, brother?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Iam interpreting it from my islamic perspective. Other muslims might disagree. Thats why we have sects.

However i believe God is not unjust for creating hellfire, but human is unjust for rejecting God. Because God has sent prophets/messengers as mercy( to show us the stairway to God).

So a human is being unjust to himself by rejecting salvation.

Speaking only for myself, I have no agenda or ill-will in 'rejecting' Islam. I have just never seen any reason to accept orthodox Islamic claims about reality. I want to know what's true, if something convinced me that Islam was true I'd say shahadah in a shot. If I was even given an indication that Islamic doctrines were true, I'd research further into that until I had exhausted the possibility one way or the other.

I like to think that if you are correct, God would understand I always had the best of intentions.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Frankly, that is a very weak excuse. You are a human being, and for that reason alone you ought to do better than that.

That is before even considering how serious a religious life you aim to have.

So, I take it you do not trust God's judgement when he chose to (from all appearances) decide to make an unbeliever out of me?

Do you think you know better than Him, brother?

Oh man, I really wanted to 'Rate' the second half of this but not the first. I'm gonna compromise and just tell you that!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Speaking only for myself, I have no agenda or ill-will in 'rejecting' Islam. I have just never seen any reason to accept orthodox Islamic claims about reality. I want to know what's true, if something convinced me that Islam was true I'd say shahadah in a shot. If I was even given an indication that Islamic doctrines were true, I'd research further into that until I had exhausted the possibility one way or the other.

I like to think that if you are correct, God would understand I always had the best of intentions.
same with me. I never believed I was rejecting the truth by rejecting Islam. I got more of those feelings of guilt like I was rejecting the truth when I rejected Catholicism.

I believe Islam has some truth. We both believe in God. There's a start.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Speaking only for myself, I have no agenda or ill-will in 'rejecting' Islam. I have just never seen any reason to accept orthodox Islamic claims about reality. I want to know what's true, if something convinced me that Islam was true I'd say shahadah in a shot. If I was even given an indication that Islamic doctrines were true, I'd research further into that until I had exhausted the possibility one way or the other.

I like to think that if you are correct, God would understand I always had the best of intentions.


The only advise i can give u. Look up in the abrahamic religions, follow ur heart. And when judgement day comes, the Lord will judge us all according to the truth.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Oh man, I really wanted to 'Rate' the second half of this but not the first. I'm gonna compromise and just tell you that!
I understand and accept that.

Still, the first half is easily the more important, and ultimately very connected to the second.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Being offended is not a good test for what is true or not true.

Jesus describes himself as being a scandal that will offend some
 

Sully

Member
It is the most loving thing one can do to show a non-believer the way. We humans seem to be addicted to the belief we can work our way to heaven by "being good." We simply can't do it...we are all sinners (The Pope, my Mom, Mother Theresa) all of us are sinners in need of a savior. One shouldn't see this as an insult...I forget who said it ...Christianity is merely one starving person telling another where the food is...
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
It is the most loving thing one can do to show a non-believer the way. We humans seem to be addicted to the belief we can work our way to heaven by "being good." We simply can't do it...we are all sinners (The Pope, my Mom, Mother Theresa) all of us are sinners in need of a savior. One shouldn't see this as an insult...I forget who said it ...Christianity is merely one starving person telling another where the food is...
What about Ezekiel 18?

18:20-21

20 The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself .21 But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die


Doesn't say anything about needing Jesus.

Or,

18:27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is lawful and right, he shall save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.


Or,

18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of any one, says the Lord God; so turn, and live.”


Nothing about anyone needing to die for your sins.
 
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