Heterosexual sins, adultery, fornication, etc.

[SkepticThinker]

"Does the latter share the same sexuality with the New Guinea tribesman who from the ages of eight to fifteen has been orally inseminated on a daily basis by older youths and who, after years of orally inseminating his juniors, will be married to an adult woman and have children of his own?"

Source: A Critical Introduction to Queer Theory, NIKKI SULLIVAN, page: 2.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't think anything much I can say to the other things you have written. Our differences on this matter is too vast. You don't think a gay pedophile is homosexual. You believe that - since he goes after boys - it should only qualify him to be a pedophile - it does not qualify him to be in the the homosexual category at all!
All pedophiles are pedophiles - so a gay pedophile cannot be gay because he is a pedophile! There must be a name for this kind of logic!

You believe that since I bring up one of the byproduct of homosexuality - I am assigning it to all homosexuals in general. It is just wrong! I have said multiple times - some homosexuals go after boys - NOT ALL!

I was just trying to say that since it would be a act of hypocrisy for a religion person to be gay - so, a gay religious figure often goes after boys as he feels he can manipulate and have them keep a lid on the matter. It may have nothing to do with what other pedophiles go after kids for. There is a possibility the religious ones have different reason than other regular ones. The reason could be they don't want to look hypocrite. Since the religion is against this - maybe they feel they can take a chance with kid and have him stay quiet. If religion wasn't against it - then maybe they would seek adult companionship rather than going after kids. But you completely disregarded that possibility! You are also assuming the reason of priest in this regard for going after the kids!

Based on the questions I pointed out in my last post - I totally believe in something else regarding why people feel inclined to one sex or the other. Their inclination is coming from somewhere. I believe it does primarily come from the possession. I believe we are so used to this entity (each one of us has one of our own) that we don't even know the difference of living without it. It needs to be tamed. Devil is not omnipresent. This is how he delivers. He cannot influence everyone separately and at the same time. This is what I believe. Of course - you can believe what you want.
God didn't make anyone gay. IMO

All evidence points to the fact that people are born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. So if there's a God, "he" created people that way.
These priests are going after kids (both boys and girls), so I have assumed nothing. You're the one assuming that there is some other motive involved.
Homosexuality, heterosexuality and pedophilia are different things. Please stop conflating them - that is a classic argument that has been used to demonize gay people for many decades now.

There are no actual demons that anybody has ever managed to demonstrate the existence of.

 

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All evidence points to the fact that people are born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. So if there's a God, "he" created people that way.
These priests are going after kids (both boys and girls), so I have assumed nothing. You're the one assuming that there is some other motive involved.
Homosexuality, heterosexuality and pedophilia are different things. Please stop conflating them - that is a classic argument that has been used to demonize gay people for many decades now.

There are no actual demons that anybody has ever managed to demonstrate the existence of.

Maybe evidence in the West because of an Agenda ( Gay intellectuals dispute concerning this but never mind that). Many studies including Russian studies, to me, have proven the opposite.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe evidence in the West because of an Agenda ( Gay intellectuals dispute concerning this but never mind that). Many studies including Russian studies, to me, have proven the opposite.

The opposite of what?

 

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The opposite of what?

That we are born and set to be one way or the other.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That we are born and set to be one way or the other.

How has anyone demonstrated that people aren't born with their sexual orientation?

 

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How has anyone demonstrated that people aren't born with their sexual orientation?

I think so. Many studies and also there is whole society of ex-homosexuals or ex-bisexuals and of course, they are all simply dismissed as being in denial, but I believe some of them if not most of them are truthful. Maybe some of them trick themselves out of it, but that's not evidence against all of them.

 

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Also, it's not evidence if some revert, that all of them aren't sincere.

That's like saying some converts to Islam leave Islam, and that means all converts aren't sincere. Makes no sense.

 

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Also, there is a philosophical proof that homosexuality and bisexuality and heterosexuality is a choice. I can provide it and it's very clear and on self-reflection, you will see it to be true.

 

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I wrote this in another thread, but I find it is useful to post here too:

The thing is with disbelief, homosexuality, etc, it's not a choice in the sense, they do it with power and fly. They rather given in and are defeated. The choice is not to fight or reflect or deflect falsehood with truth.

Homosexuality and bisexuality doesn't feel like a choice because it's giving in. But resistance happens in some people, while others are disgusted and don't need resistance, and some people do change and leave that state (they usually talk about seeking help of the holy spirit to do this).

Disbelief in God is not a choice in that it's not powerful, it's giving into to falsehood and being defeated by it.

The human has a fighting spirit and the sword of God (Jesus was an instance of God's sword too) needs to be used as an ally against Iblis, the murky darkness, and the sorcery.

Without the sword of God, we don't have much of a chance.

But the sword of God thunders in every soul, say "when you will recognize me? when will you stop running away from me? Pick me up before you perish and there is no chance!", but this is telepathic and intuitive and all in one go, and many people ignore it their whole lives.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think so. Many studies and also there is whole society of ex-homosexuals or ex-bisexuals and of course, they are all simply dismissed as being in denial, but I believe some of them if not most of them are truthful. Maybe some of them trick themselves out of it, but that's not evidence against all of them.

Gay conversion therapy has been demonstrated to be harmful to people. It has never shown to be able to "change" anyone's sexual orientation.

 

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Gay conversion therapy has been demonstrated to be harmful to people. It has never shown to be able to "change" anyone's sexual orientation.

Through psychologists and their methods, yes, you are correct.

Also, who needs therapy, it's about fighting and self-discovering and taking ownership of your soul's inner city yourself and defeating the astray deviant desires.

 

[England my lionheart]

I see quite a few threads addressing homosexuality and transgender topics. Many pointing to the sin of it all.

But I don't see many addressing sexual immorality in general, just targeting specific groups. Why is this? Is it just that we choose people's sins as they become pop topics?

It seems that for a great deal of the world's religious that "Thou shall not commit adultery" has been lost in the shuffle, even among today's moral crusaders. Have they given up?

This thread is thusly about a specific naughty group.... heterosexual sinners and why no one cares that they get a free pass. Heterosexuals being the largest group also tend to exhibit the greatest amount of inequity.

What’s the problem with that?.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Through psychologists and their methods, yes, you are correct.

Also, who needs therapy, it's about fighting and self-discovering and taking ownership of your soul's inner city yourself and defeating the astray deviant desires.

Through the scientific method, yes. I'm gonna go with that over some random claims on the internet.

Yes, nobody needs that form of "therapy" because it's BS.

The only people claiming "deviant desires" seem to be religious people basing their views on homosexuality on some ancient book written by bronze age goat herders.

 

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Through the scientific method, yes. I'm gonna go with that over some random claims on the internet.

Yes, nobody needs that form of "therapy" because it's BS.

The only people claiming "deviant desires" seem to be religious people basing their views on homosexuality on some ancient book written by bronze age goat herders.

You are repeating conjecture that is like a testimony you need to assure yourself. Whatever helps you sleep dude.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are repeating conjecture that is like a testimony you need to assure yourself. Whatever helps you sleep dude.

We both just agreed the scientific evidence supports my claim. That's not what conjecture is.

 

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We both just agreed the scientific evidence supports my claim. That's not what conjecture is.

Whatever helps you sleep.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Whatever helps you sleep.

Nice cop-out, I guess.
You just agreed with me that the science agrees with my position. Now you're just giving flippant responses. Did you think I wouldn't notice that you agreed? I mean, seriously. Are you saying you're taking the position that doesn't agree with the available evidence?

 

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Nice cop-out, I guess.
You just agreed with me that the science agrees with my position. Now you're just giving flippant responses. Did you think I wouldn't notice that you agreed? I mean, seriously. Are you saying you're taking the position that doesn't agree with the available evidence?

Western psychology methods in the past didn't help with regards to shifting people away from homosexuality or bisexuality. This is partial agreement so up to you what you wish to tell yourself with that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Almost every movie on Netflix has some sort of homosexuality component hidden in it!

Is this like rock n roll bands when I was a kid hiding pro Satan mesaages and telling us to kill ourselves in their music to only be discovered when you play the record backwards?

is an attempt to normalize it!

It is normal. Hating it because of an ancient book that is oblivious to how unsanitary blood is what is not normal.

It is almost like "cigarette smoking" scenes back in older movies.

Except with cigarettes we have mountain ranges of studies and evidence to show why it's bad.

The issue that can have more detrimental effect on the society as a whole - tends to worry us more! If you are dealing with multiple problems - you try to deal with the bigger one first!

I would say your priorities are out of whack. Cheating spouses is a bigger issue than homosexuality. Gun violence is a bigger issue. Homelessness and poverty are bigger issues. Inadequate access to healthcare is a bigger issue.
Just about everything is a bigger issus because homosexuality is a non-issue.

If one person pees in the pool then it may go unnoticed but if 50 people pee in the pool then you spoil it for everyone! At some point the issue must be addressed!

I can assure you, you've smelt the pool with 500 pees and didn't mind, and probably thought that's how they're supposed to smell.

Are they damaging the society somehow?

Nope.

You can drive on the paved highway (that the society, multiple religion and your basic instincts laid out for you) or you can drive off road and through the woods or into a ditch.
If you drive off road and don't think you are hurting anyone then you are wrong - you are setting a bad example and more can follow

I don't hurt anyone driving off road, and I've seen some pretty cool things doing that. And why shouldn't I enjoy doing so? I am a very highly experienced driver, I've drove many types of vehicles over many road conditions, amd I can handle a car very well and keep emergency supplies in my car. So, off roading where there is no cell phone coverage and just desert and rough road? Why not? It's not my fault if someone under prepared and inexperienced attempts such a thing and follows me in.

It is not what the society can do for you - it is what you can do for the society!

Why should I do for a society that doesn't respect me? I left that one and now live where I am respected.