Heterosexual sins, adultery, fornication, etc.

[Viker]

Homosexuality is directly connected to numerous child getting abused because they are the easy prey.

Is not. Homosexuality is no more directly connected to the sexual assault of boys as is heterosexuality not connected to the sexual assault of girls.

Your argument is a tired and useless position. Overused to near extinction.

Rape is rape. Rapists may have a preference but what they really want is to rape another human being.

 

[Link]

Is not. Homosexuality is no more directly connected to the sexual assault of boys as is heterosexuality not connected to the sexual assault of girls.

Your argument is a tired and useless position. Overused to near extinction.

Rape is rape. Rapists may have a preference but what they really want is to rape another human being.

I think they are intertwined, when you can't control your sexual state, you eventually are lead to worse state (raping children). Not all, but a lot will continue to fall till they degenerate that much.

 

[Viker]

I think they are intertwined, when you can't control your sexual state, you eventually are lead to worse state (raping children). Not all, but a lot will continue to fall till they degenerate that much.

Irregardless, this is not because of homosexuality or heterosexuality in and of themselves. It is from any individuals lack of control, sense of entitlement and lack of empathy for others. Rape is rape... it's a universal human problem.

 

[Link]

Irregardless, this is not because of homosexuality or heterosexuality in and of themselves. It is from any individuals lack of control, sense of entitlement and lack of empathy for others. Rape is rape... it's a universal human problem.

You are correct, but if homosexuality is a result of not being in control of one's thoughts (sexually) and is demonically possession related, in that, it's giving into a deviant state, then that can lead to lack of control. It doesn't always do, not all homosexuals are child rapist, but a lot more of them (percentage wise for homosexuals), then the percentage of heterosexuals who do child rape or rape in general.

So the stats are pointing to a link.

 

[Viker]

if homosexuality is a result of not being in control of one's thoughts (sexually) and is demonically possession related, in that, it's giving into a deviant state, then that can lead to lack of control

It is not. Is heterosexuality from demonic possession or a result of deviancy?

but a lot more of them (percentage wise for homosexuals), then the percentage of heterosexuals who do child rape or rape in general

Once again, no. Where are you getting this from? And how would it matter in relation to homosexuality?

So the stats are pointing to a link.

Ever heard of a cause and correlation fallacy?

 

[Link]

It is not. Is heterosexuality from demonic possession or a result of deviancy?

It can be just as eating food can be, this is why we are to remember God's Name and say "by the name of God" so as to embrace the light of God and leader's emanation in all our actions, while if we don't, Iblis and his forces will take over us.

Once again, no. Where are you getting this from? And how would it matter in relation to homosexuality?

Stats are showing they have less control in avoiding these evils. I think the implication is clear.

Ever heard of a cause and correlation fallacy?

Yes, but I don't see it as a fallacy here.

 

[Viker]

It can be just as eating food can be, this is why we are to remember God's Name and say "by the name of God" so as to embrace the light of God and leader's emanation in all our actions, while if we don't, Iblis and his forces will take over us.



Stats are showing they have less control in avoiding these evils. I think the implication is clear.



Yes, but I don't see it as a fallacy here.

Then, let's see some stats. I can't find them.

 

[Link]

Then, let's see some stats. I can't find them.

Here is a stat about rape:

In a study of 162 gay men and 111 lesbians, 52% reported at least one incident of sexual coercion by same-sex partners. Gay men experienced 1.6 incidents per person; while lesbians experienced 1.2 incidents per person.

Source: Waldner-Haugrud, Lisa K. and Vaden Gratch, Linda. 1997. “Sexual Coercion in Gay/Lesbian Relationships: Descriptives and Gender Differences.” Violence and Victims 12(1): 87-98

I will find more later.

 

[Viker]

Here is a stat about rape:

In a study of 162 gay men and 111 lesbians, 52% reported at least one incident of sexual coercion by same-sex partners. Gay men experienced 1.6 incidents per person; while lesbians experienced 1.2 incidents per person.

Source: Waldner-Haugrud, Lisa K. and Vaden Gratch, Linda. 1997. “Sexual Coercion in Gay/Lesbian Relationships: Descriptives and Gender Differences.” Violence and Victims 12(1): 87-98

I will find more later.

Is there a comparison to heterosexual couples?

Have they established a direct correlation between homosexuality and rape?

Does it regard other contributing factors?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Here is a stat about rape:

In a study of 162 gay men and 111 lesbians, 52% reported at least one incident of sexual coercion by same-sex partners. Gay men experienced 1.6 incidents per person; while lesbians experienced 1.2 incidents per person.

Source: Waldner-Haugrud, Lisa K. and Vaden Gratch, Linda. 1997. “Sexual Coercion in Gay/Lesbian Relationships: Descriptives and Gender Differences.” Violence and Victims 12(1): 87-98

I will find more later.

"Compared to same-sex heterosexual peers, adjusted odds of perpetrating (1.9) and experiencing (1.6) physical IPV were higher for mostly heterosexual females and mostly heterosexual males (3.1, 1.8 respectively). Mostly heterosexual females also had higher odds of experiencing threatened violence (1.6) and forced sex (1.6), and threatening violence (2.0). Mostly heterosexual males had higher odds of perpetrating forced sex (2.0) and threatening violence (1.8). Bisexual males had higher odds of forced sex victimization (4.9) and perpetration (5.0), and physical violence victimization (3.3)."

Intimate Partner Violence Perpetration and Victimization among Young Adult Sexual Minorities in a Nationally Representative US Sample

 

[BrightShadow]

Is not. Homosexuality is no more directly connected to the sexual assault of boys as is heterosexuality not connected to the sexual assault of girls.

Your argument is a tired and useless position. Overused to near extinction.

Rape is rape. Rapists may have a preference but what they really want is to rape another human being.

You are judging by human standards. In our society -a gay pedophile who abuses a little boy - is not charged for his preference rather than just his offense and a hetero pedophile who abuses a little girl - is also charged on the same standard! We consider both as heinous crimes and we probably punish equally. We do not stop and think that the gay pedophile may have turned the boy (through his manipulation) into a future gay individual. We do not consider if that boy grows up to be a dysfunctional personality who may end up struggling for the rest of his life with the unwarranted aftermath of his gay behavior! We usually do not take into account the "ripple effect" that follows the initial crime!

I am sure God's judgment will take all that into account. Like I said in my earlier post - I believe sins will be measured directly in proportion to the damage they cause or inflict (short term and long term)!

Anyhow many things appear different in our eyes while we are in this world. If you only look at the law abiding decent gay citizens then you will not understand why over all - homosexuality can have detrimental effect on a healthy society.
In an ideal world drinking alcohol should be banned as well because some cannot control it and they drive drunk and kill people. Public intoxication is discouraged and in many instances can get you arrested (when you cross certain lines). Similarly, even though it may appear that many homosexual are not breaking any laws and are contributing member of a society but many are not! Many do struggle with their conscious because their instinct clearly tells them something is not right about their lifestyle. You can blame the society or religious teachings for it but reality is - their conscious also tells them it is not what they want. As a result they lead a very shady life. And then of course there are others who crosses the line to satisfy their needs and they go after the easy prey and that causes a chain reaction. It causes the victim children turn gay and the cycle can continue. It is unhealthy!
Homosexuality can generate all these kinds of people and it should be discouraged instead of encouraged! We should not tell them - it is all natural. No one should give up their natural instincts and start believing certain things are normal - when clearly they are not for many people.

Once again - anyone who messes with the natural progression of God's plan through their deviated lifestyle that is clearly counter productive and consequently somehow influence innocent children by turning them away from God's path - may have to answer for their act. Advocating in favor of Homosexuality is a quick way to interfere with God's plan IMO!

 

[Viker]

We do not stop and think that the gay pedophile may have turned the boy (through his manipulation) into a future gay individual.

This right here.....is debunked unsubstantiated homophobic nonsense. That's why informed people stopped thinking like this.

 

[Viker]

You are judging by human standards

What other credible relevant standards are there?

 

[Viker]

I am sure God's judgment will take all that into account

I've seen your God's judgement, my whole life, it's only man's backward cruelty in disguise.

 

[Viker]

Advocating in favor of Homosexuality is a quick way to interfere with God's plan IMO!

This is precisely what I believe I was born for.

 

[BrightShadow]

What other credible relevant standards are there?

Human standard only deals with what's is good or safe for the society - it does not necessarily take into account the things that interfere with God's plan! Every gay person is not openly promoting their deviated lifestyle. They lead a discreet life. But many are and their cheerleaders are beating the drums for them! They are trying to make it look glamorous and that - it is an accepted behavior and that - they are not hurting anyone.

While it is true that a good portion of them are not hurting anyone and are seeking consensual partners - a good portion are experimenting on innocent victim via manipulation. A good friend of mine (who is not a lesbian) was drugged by a lesbian into (attempted) submission. It is happening to many straight people and not getting reported because not everyone wants the publicity or destruction of another human's life.
It is not a crime to be drunk - and when you are - your guards are down! An unsuspected gay person can take advantage of that just like a hetero can. But the difference is - a girl (in most cases) does not expect that from another girl! Even a guy might not expect from another guy!
Talk to your friends - almost everyone will have stories how their earlier "exploring and discovering" part of their life took shape. If they are truthful - not every story will be innocent!

 

[BrightShadow]

This right here.....is debunked unsubstantiated homophobic nonsense. That's why informed people stopped thinking like this.

It is wrong to throw the words like "homophobic" around just because you have nothing better to say. I for one - do not dislike gay people. It is the deed - not the person!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Also @Viker

If they make a movie based on a true historic event and you have no background knowledge of the event in question then you won't understand it properly espacially if you only watch it in bits and pieces (a few minutes and here and a few minutes there).
Similarly - without belief in God, without knowing the reason why we are here on earth, without knowing God's plan, without knowing why God isn't directly communication with you - it is normal for you to come to the conclusion you have. Of course you want proof of God's existence.
If I tell you - we deserve less than what is revealed to us and that this world is not a learning place but just a second chance at redemption for some rejects who questioned God's absolute authority then you will ask for more proofs.

Information is scattered among most religions. Seeking and finding it - is up to you!

I don't need proofs, per se, just some evidence would be nice.

I believe sins are to be measured directly in proportion to the damage they cause or inflict.

Okay ...

A heterosexual adulterer inflicting pain to his wife and immediate family and a gay priest is destroying bunch of innocent boys lives. These are all bad things!

The wife can divorce and moves on with her life or she could completely break down from the betrayal and never recover. I am sure God will look at the different outcome.
A child that was abused can recover as well or live a shameful life and become a drug addict. I am sure all outcome will come into play to measure a sin.

Okay ...

Now the thing is - the ratio and age of the victims (how many kids are targeted by gay men because they are easier prey and how many wives are destroyed completely with shame that their husband cheated on them?)

You've just made the exact same mistake you've been corrected on. You're conflating homosexuality with pedophilia. They are very, very different things. Gay people are attracted to someone of the same sex as themselves. Pedophiles are attracted to children. Please get this right.

You are not going to see the correct ratio because many kids are not reporting their manipulators for the simple fact that they were manipulated to begin with! Which means they don't realize it until they grow up that they were manipulated and then it is too late - they themselves are homosexual by that point!

What?? Did you just say that people are gay because they were molested as children???

Homosexuality is directly connected to numerous child getting abused because they are the easy prey. Ask around the homosexuals that you know and if they are truthful then many of them will tell you about their early experiences that involves someone (an older gay person) messing with them when they were kids. It is a chain reaction!

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEDOPHILIA HERE, NOT HOMOSEXUALITY. Stop it! What you've just said here is utter garbage used by people attempting to demonize gay people, and has been debunked decades and decades ago.

Like I said - I think everything will be measured to the direct proportion of the damage it causes. A gay person who is advocating and influencing and a gay person who is discreet about his/her lifestyle and never taken advantage of kids even when they were young themselves - could be judged differently by God!

If you are somehow messing with the natural progression of God's plan or knowingly or through your example - influencing innocent children onto a path that goes against God's plan - then your act could be measured on a different scale!

Until you can figure out the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, this conversation is going no where. You are woefully uninformed on this subject matter and you are demonizing an entire group of people based on garbage.

Your error has been corrected twice now. Please stop repeating this hurtful nonsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If the society, social media and the movie network - let it grow then you and even kids will soon see what you already can see in gay clubs in NY, Philadelphia, San Francisco etc. If you want a preview then make a trip. It overflows onto the streets. I have witnessed it. It is not encouraging! They are not discreet about it. They are on a mission to normalize it!

Homosexuality is normal and has been around as long as human beings have existed.
If you think that people become gay by being exposed to other people who are gay, then how do you explain how people were gay before the movies and social media existed, and society generally didn't accept homosexuality as a normal thing? How about all those kids who grew up, day in and day out watching heterosexual couples all over the movies and TV, that still ended up gay? Your argument doesn't make much sense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are correct, but if homosexuality is a result of not being in control of one's thoughts (sexually) and is demonically possession related, in that, it's giving into a deviant state, then that can lead to lack of control. It doesn't always do, not all homosexuals are child rapist, but a lot more of them (percentage wise for homosexuals), then the percentage of heterosexuals who do child rape or rape in general.

So the stats are pointing to a link.

That's a huge, giant, big IF, that is not in evidence.