Heterosexual sins, adultery, fornication, etc.

[SkepticThinker]

It is wrong to throw the words like "homophobic" around just because you have nothing better to say. I for one - do not dislike gay people. It is the deed - not the person!

Your comments on the subjective are homophobic.

Everything you've said about gay people, including conflating them with pedophiles, is garbage.

 

[Link]

That's a huge, giant, big IF, that is not in evidence.

We have see evidence for it or against it in this regard. Simply dismissing the evidence and proofs without a chance won't do.

 

[Link]

Your comments on the subjective are homophobic.

Everything you've said about gay people, including conflating them with pedophiles, is garbage.

There is no studies confirming men who have sex with boys are attracted to men, but there is no studies otherwise. I think there should be a study and not simply conjecture both sides.

I think by definition though being attracted to boys is either homosexual if a man or bisexual if they are still attracted to women. Heterosexual by definition is only attracted to opposite sex.

 

[SkepticThinker]

We have see evidence for it or against it in this regard. Simply dismissing the evidence and proofs without a chance won't do.

You didn't provide evidence. Just a ton of big "IF's"

 

[SkepticThinker]

There is no studies confirming men who have sex with boys are attracted to men, but there is no studies otherwise. I think there should be a study and not simply conjecture both sides.

I think by definition though being attracted to boys is either homosexual if a man or bisexual if they are still attracted to women. Heterosexual by definition is only attracted to opposite sex.

Attraction to children is called PEDOPHILIA.
Not homosexuality.
Not heterosexuality.
PEDOPHILIA.

 

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Attraction to children is called PEDOPHILIA.
Not homosexuality.
Not heterosexuality.
PEDOPHILIA.

Yet seems this definition not letting it overlap is arbitrary to make homosexuality or bisexuality off the hook. It's still same sex attraction by definition. Like I've said many times in various posts, half the battle between truth and falsehood is semantics and how words are defined.

 

[Link]

You didn't provide evidence. Just a ton of big "IF's"

This thread is not asking for evidence for one side over the other. It's asking, given it is a big sin, why not emphasize on equal sins like adultery or fornication in general. I agree with sentiment of the OP but partially disagree. While what she says is true, there is also a reason, this is taking a priority in dialogue.

This is why I talked with "If".

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yet seems this definition not letting it overlap is arbitrary to make homosexuality or bisexuality off the hook. It's still same sex attraction by definition. Like I've said many times in various posts, half the battle between truth and falsehood is semantics and how words are defined.

Nonsense. We have a word for people who are attracted to people of the same sex.
We have a word for people who are attracted to members of both (all) sexes.
We have a word for people who are attracted to people of the opposite sex.
We have a word for people who are attracted to children.

All of these are different things.
And historically, people who have attempted to paint gay people as bad/immoral have tried to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia in an effort to demonize gay people.
Well, I'm tired of it.

 

[Link]

Nonsense. We have a word for people who are attracted to people of the same sex.
We have a word for people who are attracted to members of both (all) sexes.
We have a word for people who are attracted to people of the opposite sex.
We have a word for people who are attracted to children.

All of these are different things.
And historically, people who have attempted to paint gay people as bad/immoral have tried to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia in an effort to demonize gay people.
Well, I'm tired of it.

They maybe different, but there is overlap by definition.

 

[BrightShadow]

I don't need proofs, per se, just some evidence would be nice.



Okay ...


Okay ...



You've just made the exact same mistake you've been corrected on. You're conflating homosexuality with pedophilia. They are very, very different things. Gay people are attracted to someone of the same sex as themselves. Pedophiles are attracted to children. Please get this right.


What?? Did you just say that people are gay because they were molested as children???


YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEDOPHILIA HERE, NOT HOMOSEXUALITY. Stop it! What you've just said here is utter garbage used by people attempting to demonize gay people, and has been debunked decades and decades ago.




Until you can figure out the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, this conversation is going no where. You are woefully uninformed on this subject matter and you are demonizing an entire group of people based on garbage.

Your error has been corrected twice now. Please stop repeating this hurtful nonsense.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say ALL gay people are going after children.
That is what you want to believe I am saying - because then it is easy for you to dismiss everything else.
I just tried to show that a part of them are manipulating a certain group of people to satisfy their needs.
This practice is wrong and the reasons are scattered in multiple religions.
By the way, when a gay priest goes after young boys - it is not only because he is a pedophilia it is also because he is gay and can't find any adult gay individual he can trust who won't expose him. So, he chooses someone whom he can manipulate into staying silent. IMO.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say ALL gay people are going after children.
That is what you want to believe I am saying - because then it is easy for you to dismiss everything else.
I just tried to show that a part of them are manipulating a certain group of people to satisfy their needs.
This practice is wrong and the reasons are scattered in multiple religions.
By the way, when a gay priest goes after young boys - it is not only because he is a pedophilia it is also because he is gay and can't find any adult gay individual he can trust who won't expose him. So, he chooses someone whom he can manipulate into staying silent. IMO.

I haven't put any words in your mouth. Several times and in several posts you have conflated homosexuality with pedophilia. I'm not the only one to notice. This is a classic argument we've seen over and over, decade after decade from those wishing to demonize and marginalize gay people. I've seen it many times.

Pedophilia and homosexuality are very, very different things.

The priests going after young boys aren't gay - they're PEDOPHILES.

 

[BrightShadow]

The priests going after young boys aren't gay - they're PEDOPHILES.

So a gay priest who only goes after young boys (and not the young girls) because he can't find a adult man who will keep his secret - so he goes after young boys because he can manipulate them and keep them from telling anyone - is a pedophile and but he is not gay! Interesting!
Anyhow, why do you think a person get attracted to same sex?

 

[SkepticThinker]

So a gay priest who only goes after young boys (and not the young girls) because he can't find a adult man who will keep his secret - so he goes after young boys because he can manipulate them and keep them from telling anyone - is a pedophile and but he is not gay! Interesting!

They are a pedophile.

Anyhow, why do you think a person get attracted to same sex?

They're born that way. Just like heterosexuals.

 

[BrightShadow]

They're born that way. Just like heterosexuals.

I am pretty sure there is more to it than just that. Prophets/ religious doctrines should have mentioned it is okay in that case. I can respond to it but I think it would be off topic.

 

[Viker]

It is wrong to throw the words like "homophobic" around just because you have nothing better to say. I for one - do not dislike gay people. It is the deed - not the person!

When something clearly fits it's definition it is by no means "wrong" to call it what it is.

Guess what, you have to accept homosexuality in order to accept homosexuals, one is an extension of the other, if you want to claim liking or loving them. Otherwise, you're a liar.

Homosexuality is not sin. Neither is being transgender.

Also, homosexuality isn't just about sex. It entails identity, disposition, etc. Not just about sex acts.

 

[stevecanuck]

They maybe different, but there is overlap by definition.

No, there's only overlap where there is overlap - not by all-inclusive definition as you seem to be saying. A male homosexual who is attracted to boys rather than men would qualify under two categories. It's a REALLY simple concept.

 

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No, there's only overlap where there is overlap - not by all-inclusive definition as you seem to be saying. A male homosexual who is attracted to boys rather than men would qualify under two categories. It's a REALLY simple concept.

There is not necessarily an overlap but there is overlap.

 

[Viker]

There can be homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual pedophiles. It's wise to notice that those are adjectives not nouns in front. Most pedophiles gravitate towards being attracted to any gender, because they are pedophiles and the object of their desires are children.

Children are not able to consent either legally, emotionally or psychologically. This is why pedophilia is considered a toxic deviancy. It's one sided and in practice harm's the object of desire with no recourse for a victim immediately.

There is no link with the sexual abuse of boys and that link making boys gay. Most homosexuals never experienced sexual abuse. Many identifying as homosexual who later tell of sex abuse tell that the abuse happened after they suspected they were gay...and a pervert took advantage of this. I.E. Grooming an "easy" target.

How this relates to my OP makes sense. We don't consider heterosexuality degenerate when young girls are raped by grown men. Do we? My point.

Homosexuality is not degenerate, perverse or deviant either. Why the fuss about it? It's telling, the why, and shows why in this thread. People feel strongly that gays, and the like, are perverts. They focus obsessively on this. All the while, never with full heartedness addressing the real issues that are rampant within the largest denominator. How convenient of them.

 

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Children are not able to consent either legally, emotionally or psychologically.

Why is consent needed? Why is sex deemed harmful, pathological, and psychologically damaging? Maybe because society makes it evil. If there is no such thing as sexual deviancy, then, like eating food, why can't sex be forced on kids? What harms come to them but what society makes it to be? Kids are only traumatized because they believe it's evil and harmful to them. The concept of it being evil to kids is pushed by society.

Maybe we should not be pedophobics either.

 

[Viker]

Why is consent needed? Why is sex deemed harmful, pathological, and psychologically damaging? Maybe because society makes it evil. If there is no such thing as sexual deviancy, then, like eating food, why can't sex be forced on kids? What harms come to them but what society makes it to be? Kids are only traumatized because they believe it's evil and harmful to them. The concept of it being evil to kids is pushed by society.

Maybe we should not be pedophobics either.

I didn't say there's no such thing as deviancy.

I made it perfectly clear that homosexuality is not
deviancy and the rape of boys does not cause homosexuality. Sex, in an of itself, is not harmful. It is when it coerced on another (rape) who can't consent or is not willing that it harms.