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BrightShadow

Active Member
I've also heard of the "two spirit" concept of many North American indigenous peoples.

Another religion's laws, codes, precepts and tenets are irrelevant to me unless I choose so otherwise.

It's an irony. I'm allegedly supposed to be still subject to or under another god's or religion's laws and yet they claim they're not subject to my own. Interesting dilemma, no?

Nonsense. Follow the laws of Cornijer or else! :D

Whatever floats your boat.
There are no alternate facts! There is only one fact! Everything must survive the litmus test!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Like I said earlier...
It is easier to show with data that nothing is wrong with you. But to show something is wrong - you need a lot more information regarding the root cause and lot of cooperation from you. It is a lot harder to do that with limited knowledge that the Psychiatrists have at their disposal. Scientists know very little about brain, DNA. They also know very little about religion because information is scattered. It is not in one religion. So, the data they are providing you - is not reliable IMHO. LGBT rights activists will never let a Psychiatrist sleep in peace if he ever does any research against their cause. They will be ruined via social media.
So, where are you expecting data to come from?

If you are born on a deserted part of an island with no trees and your only food was fish then your data will only be about fishes.
You won't have any data regarding apples, oranges, grapes. You won't even know how any fruit tastes like.
If fish makes sense to you then continue eating fish!
I sincerely believe - on judgment day - many people will be running around trying to blame someone for their lack of data.
Maybe God will say - data was there in another part of the island - you didn't seek enough!
Ignorance of the law is not a defense! You cannot tell a cop who pulled you over for speeding that you didn't know it was wrong to speed! You cannot say "data" shows in Europe you could drive faster.
Ignorance regarding information available via different religious doctrine - is not a defense.
By the way have you ever heard Cherokee story of the battle of two wolves inside of us? It is an interesting proverb!
I already responded to this. No response from you.
And now you're repeating the same thing to someone else??
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
I already responded to this. No response from you.
And now you're repeating the same thing to someone else??

You are not getting what I am saying. You are too defensive in your cause! If I use a metaphor - you begin to think I literally mean it. If I compare a healthy person to a non healthy person (without a gay factor in it)- you are mistakenly thinking I am talking about gay people in general and then you are coming to wrong conclusion that I am claiming gay people to be psychologically unhealthy. That is not what I said!
I just pointed out that it is easy to say there is nothing wrong with someone - than - it is to prove there is something wrong with him especially if we are not talking about any physical or psychological conditions. I used an example in general and I also used the words - "emotionally influenced"! Meaning - someone possessed! In this case - permanent possession!
I told you that I believe we all have a companion entity to influence us. Even though a person may seem absolutely healthy (physically and psychologically) -but he could still be influenced by his companion entity's likings. His inclination may not be of his own!
It is difficult to prove this with data. But - my opinion was - we have to fight this. God did not make us gay.

Anyhow, anything I say - you are assuming I am talking about only gays and you are also assuming I am talking about entire gay population. While that is not true!
It is pointless to continue this discussion.
I believe gay inclinations primarily come from round the clock 24/7 possession. I believe we all (hetero or gay) have a companion entity feeding us its influence. In most cases it is a match and thus majority are heterosexuals. Sometimes it is not a match but some of our souls have a dominant personality and OUR dominant presence overshadows our companion entity's influence. So, we remain in control! But sometimes our influencer is stronger! We give in to his/her temptations. I believe - this is how devil works! This is how devil delivers! Devil is not omni-present. He cannot be with each and every one of us!
It is not easy to provide data because a scientist or a data collector has to actually believe in this possibility before beginning his investigation. Religious people come across this sometimes but they are not going to provide you with data.

Anyhow, if you don't believe in any religion or God - then forget everything I said and just ask yourself following questions..
1) Why heterosexuals don't ever regret being a hetero? Why heterosexuals never wish they were gay?
2) Why (some) gays regret being gay in different periods of their lives especially during their early struggling years? I know you are going to blame society for that but even in an ideal gay friendly society - many gays would still wish they were hetero at some periods of their lives. I know many would deny that but they would be lying! Anyhow just ask around and see if they ever regretted and wished they were straight or not.
3) What will happen in an ideal gay world where everyone is gay? Wouldn't people have to take initiative to have babies so that the population continues.? What if the first, second generation of human were primarily gay? What if a gay person's parents were gay and never conceived him?
And finally ask yourself...
4) What will happen in a world where everyone is heterosexuals? Will there be any need to take initiative or would the babies come naturally?
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You are not getting what I am saying. You are too defensive in your cause! If I use a metaphor - you begin to think I literally mean it. If I compare a healthy person to a non healthy person (without a gay factor in it)- you are mistakenly thinking I am talking about gay people in general and then you are coming to wrong conclusion that I am claiming gay people to be psychologically unhealthy. That is not what I said!
I just pointed out that it is easy to say there is nothing wrong with someone - than - it is to prove there is something wrong with him especially if we are not talking about any physical or psychological conditions. I used an example in general and I also used the words - "emotionally influenced"! Meaning - someone possessed! In this case - permanent possession!
I told you that I believe we all have a companion entity to influence us. Even though a person may seem absolutely healthy (physically and psychologically) -but he could still be influenced by his companion entity's likings. His inclination may not be of his own!
Then why are you going on and on about healthy/unhealthy people in this discussion about homosexuality?

It is difficult to prove this with data. But - my opinion was - we have to fight this. God did not make us gay.
I agree, since I don't believe in god(s).

But if there is a god who created the world and everything in it, then "he" created a world where homosexuality exists. And then turns around and judges it as a bad thing.

Anyhow, anything I say - you are assuming I am talking about only gays and you are also assuming I am talking about entire gay population. While that is not true!
It is pointless to continue this discussion.
Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I took issue with your conflation of homosexuality and pedophilia, then you started going on about healthy/unhealthy people and are now claiming that you aren't claiming that gay people are unhealthy. I have no idea why you're going on about unhealthy/healthy in this discussion at this point.

I believe gay inclinations primarily come from round the clock 24/7 possession. I believe we all (hetero or gay) have a companion entity feeding us its influence. In most cases it is a match and thus majority are heterosexuals. Sometimes it is not a match but some of our souls have a dominant personality and OUR dominant presence overshadows our companion entity's influence. So, we remain in control! But sometimes our influencer is stronger! We give in to his/her temptations. I believe - this is how devil works! This is how devil delivers! Devil is not omni-present. He cannot be with each and every one of us!
I don't believe in possession, devils and souls because they are not in evidence.
Honestly, this all sounds bonkers to me. Especially when a perfectly natural explanation that requires far, far less assumptions, makes better sense.

It is not easy to provide data because a scientist or a data collector has to actually believe in this possibility before beginning his investigation. Religious people come across this sometimes but they are not going to provide you with data.
It's not easy to provide data for these claims, because there isn't any data. Just empty claims.

Anyhow, if you don't believe in any religion or God - then forget everything I said and just ask yourself following questions..
1) Why heterosexuals don't ever regret being a hetero? Why heterosexuals never wish they were gay?
This is a bizarre question. I don't know that they don't. Or do.

2) Why (some) gays regret being gay in different periods of their lives especially during their early struggling years? I know you are going to blame society for that but even in an ideal gay friendly society - many gays would still wish they were hetero at some periods of their lives. I know many would deny that but they would be lying! Anyhow just ask around and see if they ever regretted and wished they were straight or not.
Because as I've noted several times now, religionists (mainly) are always telling gay people that there is something wrong with them, that they need to repent and change who they are, and attempt to demonize them by say, conflating them with pedophiles.
I have a better question? Why would somebody choose or want to be gay in light of such a judgmental society where they don't fit in and are treated poorly? Think on that one.

You know that "many would deny that [they wish they weren't gay] but they would be lying?" Where do you get off making such an assumption? Maybe they just want judgy people to get off their backs so they can get on with living their lives.

3) What will happen in an ideal gay world where everyone is gay? Wouldn't people have to take initiative to have babies so that the population continues.? What if the first, second generation of human were primarily gay? What if a gay person's parents were gay and never conceived him?
The same thing would happen if everyone were male, or female. But that ain't gonna happen. Sorry but this is a terrible point.

My female cousin is gay, is married to a woman, and has a biological daughter. Think on that.
And finally ask yourself...

4) What will happen in a world where everyone is heterosexuals? Will there be any need to take initiative or would the babies come naturally?
What if all these heterosexuals are infertile? Or impotent? Or don't want kids?
We can play these silly what-if games all day long but they won't get us anywhere.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
But if there is a god who created the world and everything in it, then "he" created a world where homosexuality exists. And then turns around and judges it as a bad thing.

You are not really reading my posts. You are superficially reading it.
I already pointed out why God may judge us for being gay in this thread.
If you are sent to a jail for stealing or something - you have to follow what is asked while you are in the prison. You cannot go to bathroom after midnight (for example), you cannot read a book with a candle after lights are turned off (for example) etc. It may seem harmless to you but there is a bigger picture behind it.
To follow directive or not follow the directives of the jail authority - is an inmate's business but if he/she gets caught then they should be prepared to pay some kind of reparation.
I already pointed out that I believe - this world is our second chance at redemption. We are not here by choice! We have to follow rules. We have to stay away from drugs (for example) etc. So, we could be asked to stay away from certain things even though they are here! Your defense of God created it - is moot! Because God warned against it as well!
God directed via prophets and doctrines what to do and what not to do. Certain things may seem harmless to you but in a wide scale could be harmful and could be against God's plan.
Certain rules are made in a generalization fashion. I can elaborate it a bit more with some examples...

Can you buy alcohol when you are 20 years old and consume it? If you do - you are breaking a law. But you can do it when you are 21 years old. Correct?
Why?
A 20 years old can prove himself very stable and responsible, even more so than many 40 years old. But law still won't budge.
Why?
Because you can't have one law for a 20 year old John who is responsible and another law for a 20 year old Jack who is not responsible. A 20 year David cannot have a 3rd law just for him either!
Laws are written based on generalization and by considering overall effects! Similarly, Homosexuality may not seem bad to you when you are looking at seemingly harmless examples. It may not be comprehensible when you are comparing to a couple of very responsible adult of the same sex. A couple of decent intelligent guys - who contributes to the society and who lead very discreet lifestyle - may not show the specific reason why God asked us to refrain from it. But other examples could! Other examples out there could be counter productive towards God's plan - when looked upon in a wider scale - it could be damaging! So, maybe God had to make rules in general to stop those examples and the seemingly innocent ones are also effected by that ruling! Our job is to read the doctrines and decide to follow or not follow. But we have to be prepared to take the consequences.
God made all the different poisons in the world - it doesn't mean you have to eat them. They are there for other reasons that you may not comprehend because the data regarding them and why they are there in the first place - is not known to you yet. In many religions - you are given directives what to eat and what to stay away from. Our job is to follow the guideline as best as we can!

So, once again - if you believe in a creator - then that creator has a right to make laws and rules and guidelines. Not knowing the guideline is not a defense. Just like not knowing a law before breaking it - is not a defense! God's reason may not be very apparent to you because your data is limited. These laws that the creator provided - cannot be applied differently from person to person. Then you will need angles to come to each person and say - individually who is allowed and who is not allowed. However I agree God has the option to forgive anyone!

Some people could be easily following God's guidelines and others may not be responsible enough to follow. Some people may easily get influenced by others' examples and head on a path that God had forbidden. Maybe the a few examples are not that harmful but the overall result is. So, the guideline is there to help build a society that IMO God intended. IMO.
To follow God's directive or not follow - is your business but if you get caught then God may forgive or may not. It is his prerogative.

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Go back and read my earlier posts if you like - you will see what you have been doing.
If I give an example of anything - you are too quick to assume I am talking about gay people - when I was only giving an example. I gave example about healthy and unhealthy people to show it is difficult to gather data for a certain condition and you decided I am talking about gays being unhealthy! I don't have time to point out sentence by sentence.
If I say anything about a fraction of gay people - you assume I am talking about entire gay population.
I never said anything that applies to all gay population. I know a gay priest doesn't represent entire population of gay people but when I pointed out their negative contribution (side effect) - your first defense is - the priest is not even gay and then you strongly insinuate that I am bashing all gay people and calling them pedophile. This trick is not unique!



It's not easy to provide data for these claims, because there isn't any data. Just empty claims.

Information is scattered among multiple religion. Search or don't!

This is a bizarre question. I don't know that they don't. Or do.

Why is it bizarre? Find one hetero who regrets been a hetero. You won't find any hetero regretting to be hetero because it is pure natural! It aligns with God's long term plans.

Then why are you going on and on about healthy/unhealthy people in this discussion about homosexuality?
I already pointed out in this post and earlier post that I gave you examples. It was just to show data collection is not easy for different scenarios. Your scenario it is easier. That doesn't mean I was talking about homosexuality with my example!
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You are not really reading my posts. You are superficially reading it.
I already pointed out why God may judge us for being gay in this thread.
If you are sent to a jail for stealing or something - you have to follow what is asked while you are in the prison. You cannot go to bathroom after midnight (for example), you cannot read a book with a candle after lights are turned off (for example) etc. It may seem harmless to you but there is a bigger picture behind it.
To follow directive or not follow the directives of the jail authority - is an inmate's business but if he/she gets caught then they should be prepared to pay some kind of reparation.
I already pointed out that I believe - this world is our second chance at redemption. We are not here by choice! We have to follow rules. We have to stay away from drugs (for example) etc. So, we could be asked to stay away from certain things even though they are here! Your defense of God created it - is moot! Because God warned against it as well!
God directed via prophets and doctrines what to do and what not to do. Certain things may seem harmless to you but in a wide scale could be harmful and could be against God's plan.
Certain rules are made in a generalization fashion. I can elaborate it a bit more with some examples...

Can you buy alcohol when you are 20 years old and consume it? If you do - you are breaking a law. But you can do it when you are 21 years old. Correct?
Why?
A 20 years old can prove himself very stable and responsible, even more so than many 40 years old. But law still won't budge.
Why?
Because you can't have one law for a 20 year old John who is responsible and another law for a 20 year old Jack who is not responsible. A 20 year David cannot have a 3rd law just for him either!
Laws are written based on generalization and by considering overall effects! Similarly, Homosexuality may not seem bad to you when you are looking at seemingly harmless examples. It may not be comprehensible when you are comparing to a couple of very responsible adult of the same sex. A couple of decent intelligent guys - who contributes to the society and who lead very discreet lifestyle - may not show the specific reason why God asked us to refrain from it. But other examples could! Other examples out there could be counter productive towards God's plan - when looked upon in a wider scale - it could be damaging! So, maybe God had to make rules in general to stop those examples and the seemingly innocent ones are also effected by that ruling! Our job is to read the doctrines and decide to follow or not follow. But we have to be prepared to take the consequences.
God made all the different poisons in the world - it doesn't mean you have to eat them. They are there for other reasons that you may not comprehend because the data regarding them and why they are there in the first place - is not known to you yet. In many religions - you are given directives what to eat and what to stay away from. Our job is to follow the guideline as best as we can!

So, once again - if you believe in a creator - then that creator has a right to make laws and rules and guidelines. Not knowing the guideline is not a defense. Just like not knowing a law before breaking it - is not a defense! God's reason may not be very apparent to you because your data is limited. These laws that the creator provided - cannot be applied differently from person to person. Then you will need angles to come to each person and say - individually who is allowed and who is not allowed. However I agree God has the option to forgive anyone!

Some people could be easily following God's guidelines and others may not be responsible enough to follow. Some people may easily get influenced by others' examples and head on a path that God had forbade. Maybe the a few examples are not that harmful but the overall result is. So, the guideline is there to help build a society that IMO God intended. IMO.
To follow God's directive or not follow - is your business but if you get caught then God may forgive or may not. It is his prerogative.



Go back and read my earlier posts if you like - you will see what you have been doing.
If I give an example of anything - you are too quick to assume I am talking about gay people - when I was only giving an example. I gave example about healthy and unhealthy people to show it is difficult to gather data for a certain condition and you decided I am talking about gays being unhealthy! I don't have time to point out sentence by sentence.
If I say anything about a fraction of gay people - you assume I am talking about entire gay population.
I never said anything that applies to all gay population. I know a gay priest doesn't represent entire population of gay people but when I pointed out their negative contribution (side effect) - your first defense is - the priest is not even gay and then you strongly insinuate that I am bashing all gay people and calling them pedophile. This trick is not unique!





Information is scattered among multiple religion. Search or don't!



Why is it bizarre? Find one hetero who regrets been a hetero. You won't find any hetero regretting to be hetero because it is pure natural! It aligns with God's long term plans.


I already pointed out in this post and earlier post that I gave you examples. It was just to show data collection is not easy for different scenarios. Your scenario it is easier. That doesn't mean I was talking about homosexuality with my example!
It's clear that you're not reading my posts. You don't respond to my posts in their entirety. You don't answer my questions. You just keep repeating yourself.
This discussion is going no where.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The data you have is based on biased study.
No Psychiatrist have the courage to stand up against organized groups that support this cause.
No study can come out these days that would remotely go against the position of these groups.
If you can find an 35 years or so old text book on Phycology - then check where this and other topic like BDSM, fetishism etc. are. I am pretty sure it would be under the chapter "abnormal phycology". Systematically they have been taken out and into regular chapters because of backlash they received.
When it comes to certain organized groups - it is easy to be a cheerleader for them than an opposition!
Anyhow - no one is stopping you from following your data.
And 30 years ago we thought stomach ulcers were caused by stress. We live, we learn, we grow. As for the DSM, homosexuality was removed from it because of a resoundingly strong vote to remove it because there is nothing inherently about being gay that makes it a mental illness.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
And 30 years ago we thought stomach ulcers were caused by stress. We live, we learn, we grow. As for the DSM, homosexuality was removed from it because of a resoundingly strong vote to remove it because there is nothing inherently about being gay that makes it a mental illness.

I didn't say it was. I agree it is not a mental illness. In my opinion we all are possessed by our companion entity. So, on that same ground - we all would be classified into the same category. The difference (IMO) is - in a heterosexual's case the inclination for the opposite sex is a match! However, a hetero can still be influenced into doing other forbidden and wicked things such as stealing, killing etc.

As per definition - Psychology is a very vast field. It supposed to encompass the biological, social and environmental factors that influence how people think, act and feel. In the recent years it has been splitting into multiple branches and soon there could a field dealing exclusively with the environmental factors and factors such as "possessions" (supernatural). When and if it does catch up - we may have data to show what many religion already pointed out centuries ago.

The reason research may take a long time though is because - Psychiatrist's primary aim is how to make a person functionable. They concentrate on that field as money can be made there. Research fields aren't in high demand. So, the advancement will happen but at a slow pace. As of now - they do not know enough about many conditions. They do not even know the cause of schizophrenia where some people experience periods of psychosis and they may have hallucinations and delusions. Psychiatrists can only give some medicine to control the symptoms but they do not know how to cure it because they do not know the cause. If and when they catch up via open mind and by consulting religious doctrines - we may know more about what I have written.
Just because I mentioned that science and Psychiatrists are not investing enough resource in the study - does not automatically mean I claimed homosexuality is a mental illness.
Who do you think I should have hope to do the research? A locksmith?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
In the recent years it has been splitting into multiple branches and soon there could a field dealing exclusively with the environmental factors and factors such as "possessions" (supernatural). When and if it does catch up - we may have data to show what many religion already pointed out centuries ago.
It won't happen.
The reason research may take a long time though is because - Psychiatrist's primary aim is how to make a person functionable.
Yup. What's wrong with that? It's the same goal for the MD of physical health. It's also unethical to promise a cure even when treating the most routine and basic things because stuff can happen ranging from the treatment not working to serious side effects.
They concentrate on that field as money can be made there.
That is the fault and responsibility of insurance and a for-profit healthcare system. Trust me, we providers do not want to do more work than we have to, we want to treat our patients, like everyone else we want to do our job, but the higher ups want and expect money at the expense of all else (including treatment and up-to-date and properly functioning technology devices).
If and when they catch up via open mind and by consulting religious doctrines - we may know more about what I have written.
The funny thing is religious belief in possession has never panned out, and it turns out substances like lithium and olanzapine silenced the "demons."
They do not even know the cause of schizophrenia where some people experience periods of psychosis and they may have hallucinations and delusions. Psychiatrists can only give some medicine to control the symptoms but they do not know how to cure it because they do not know the cause.
Unfortunately, yes. Fortunately we are always learning new things and gaining new insights.
Just because I mentioned that science and Psychiatrists are not investing enough resource in the study - does not automatically mean I claimed homosexuality is a mental illness.
No. You did worse and called it the product of possession.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
No. You did worse and called it the product of possession.

By taking it out of context like this you are trying to show my opinion is conclusive in regard to Homosexuals only! That is disingenuous! I clearly said - I believe we are all on the same boat. This is how (I believe) devil delivers. Devil is not omni-present. Contrary to common belief by the self-proclaimed followers of many religion (without thinking or consulting their own doctrine) - they come to conclusion that devil is omni-present. While information in their own dogma should lead them to the conclusion that - the devil is not omni-present at all! For example - in Christianity (I am not Christian by the way) - devil took Jesus on a ride and tried to trick him via direct communication. Why he couldn't work his wonders the same way he supposedly does with everyone else? Check out Matthew [4:8-9], Luke [4:9-12]. Check out Matthew [4:1-12] especially the first verse where it says Jesus was led by the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. Led by whom? Certainly not the holy spirit they believe in. Then which spirit led Jesus to the devil? Their explanation won't make sense because they (most of them) believe Jesus was god or son of god and they believe in holy spirit as a divinity.
Some people via their strong convictions can keep their companion entity at bay. However we all can be taken on a ride to many forbidden places by our companion entity. Attempts are been made on a constant basis and round the clock! IMO we are so used to our companion entity that we don't even know what it feels like to not have the influence. Voice in our conscious (as many call it) can play tricks in many different ways! No one is immune!
So, to say I did worse by pointing out my position- is an exaggeration because most people will classify mental illness is worse than being influenced by something unknowingly and by not realizing!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
By taking it out of context like this you are trying to show my opinion is conclusive in regard to Homosexuals only!
I took nothing out of context. Multiple times you have stated you believe homosexuality is the result of depression.
So, to say I did worse by pointing out my position- is an exaggeration because most people will classify mental illness is worse than being influenced by something unknowingly and by not realizing!
It is not an exaggeration. Mental illness involved health, illness, and treatment. There is nothing inherently bad about it, no more or less than getting a cold or breaking a bone. Being possessed, however, spiritual possession is widely and frequently across cultures and time thought to be a bad thing.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
I took nothing out of context. Multiple times you have stated you believe homosexuality is the result of depression.

False claim! I never said that!
Are you depressed while cheerleading for your cause? It is counter productive. You need to be happy while cheerleading, that is how you attract the crowd.


It is not an exaggeration. Mental illness involved health, illness, and treatment. There is nothing inherently bad about it, no more or less than getting a cold or breaking a bone. Being possessed, however, spiritual possession is widely and frequently across cultures and time thought to be a bad thing.

Again, I wasn't talking about your common everyday possession that you watch in movies! I was talking about something we all have (whether you are hetero or gay). Since it applies to everyone and effects everyone (but in different ways) - your implication in your above statement and other statements are still misguided.
Heterosexuals are also possessed IMO but in their case the inclinations of the soul and the companion entity is a match but they are still influenced by the entity in doing other forbidden things. I believe this is how devil delivers. Many religious doctrines have touched this matter. Seek it or don't.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
False claim! I never said that!

Again, I wasn't talking about your common everyday possession that you watch in movies! I was talking about something we all have (whether you are hetero or gay). Since it applies to everyone and effects everyone (but in different ways) - your implication in your above statement and other statements are still misguided.
Heterosexuals are also possessed IMO but in their case the inclinations of the soul and the companion entity is a match but they are still influenced by the entity in doing other forbidden things. I believe this is how devil delivers. Many religious doctrines have touched this matter. Seek it or don't.

You speak truth and put it simply. Well done.

The companion (evil one) is also fed by evil deeds. But the companion (evil one) per Quran misguide from the way while thinking they are guided.

So the companion (evil one), really tells himself, he is doing you good and it's for your well-being, to disbelief in day of judgment, in harsh judgment, to be "good to yourself" and that there is nothing evil about fornication and other sexual deviances.

This is what makes it hard. Non-judgment meditation in my view, is a way to give more control to this being. Judgment and guilt although hurts, makes your skin hardened against evil and builds eventually barriers of light against darkness.

The self-blaming soul is a step below the tranquil soul, but God never leaves the self-blaming soul, but eventually through repentance, guides them out of darkness of sins into the light of beauties and majestic glories from good states and intentions. Eventually, the ravaging sins in the soul are turned to light as well, and become a source of lesson through the water of regret.

Ismail (a) desire was from paradise, his animal was from paradise, it was not seeking lower world. Yet he and Ibrahim (a) sacrificed that, and all that Ismail (a) chose to be although was creature of paradise, was sacrificed for something higher.

We have a choice. We force God to accept us despite how dark and evil we've become and say he must see us as beautiful. Or we accept God's light as beautiful and let his rain cleanse us of the ugly filth we immersed ourselves in.


It's not an easy choice, but not a hard one for humble souls. It's the easy path but for those who love God more then themselves. Who prefer God's Prophet over themselves.

Very easy for them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
False claim! I never said that!
You've stated many times it is posession.
Heterosexuals are also possessed
You just said heterosexuals are also possessed.
There is no possession going on. Homo and hetero, both are natural. There is no possession going on (and please don't try to say you didn't say this, you've said it many times).
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You've stated many times it is posession.

You just said heterosexuals are also possessed.
There is no possession going on. Homo and hetero, both are natural. There is no possession going on (and please don't try to say you didn't say this, you've said it many times).

We aren't all possessed by demons, but most of us are, and very few are free.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
We aren't all possessed by demons, but most of us are, and very few are free.
We aren't possessed. It's actually rather hateful and hurtful to tell people their natural, harmless, consensual love for another is the result of possession. Seriously, LGBT folk were tortured in the name of medicine because of this nonsense there's something wrong with us and we must be set free of these demonic/unnatural/sinful/sick urges.
There are no demons, and if there are they are pathetically weak and not worth considering given things like resperdal will silence them entirely without exorcisms and other religious stuff.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
You've stated many times it is posession.

You just said heterosexuals are also possessed.
There is no possession going on. Homo and hetero, both are natural. There is no possession going on (and please don't try to say you didn't say this, you've said it many times).

Before jumping back in your mud-pit and start throwing mud - read what you wrote.
You wrote - "depression" not possession.
Here is your quote :handpointdown:

I took nothing out of context. Multiple times you have stated you believe homosexuality is the result of depression.

Hence I told you not to be depressed while cheerleading for your cause.
You are not reading anything properly and I don't have time for this.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Before jumping back in your mud-pit and start throwing mud - read what you wrote.
You wrote - "depression" not possession.
Here is your quote :handpointdown:
Yeah. Must have been a Freudian slip of sorts because depression is real, possession is not.
 
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