Hide the Eggs From Jesus Day...

[Sees]

Who told Christians to honor the dead with a pagan celebration that satanists hold as "their" special day?

Look at the theme of Halloween and see the unholy outfits worn by trick or treaters. Where does the trick or treat thing come from? Why witches, ghouls, zombies and demons? Seriously.

If you want to honor your god, go for it....just don't expect true Christians to join you...OK? We will continue to give it a wide berth.

This Halloween you're thinking of is Christian and modern.

Key components of scriptural Christianity has Pagan roots all throughout which is why I wonder you worry so much about the holidays. With everything it's what you make of it.

 

[Ingledsva]

For some reason, I think if there is a Jesus, he would have liked us doing that alot more than sitting around and celebrating his birth and resurrection while perpetuating the vast seas of wealth that are concentrated to a handful of individuals that Jesus said will not get into heaven because they are rich. "Help the homeless day" or "Celebrate my birthday (even without the modern consumerism)?" Which would Jesus actually rather us celebrate? Buy a dozen of eggs to paint and waste to celebrate a resurrection, or buy a dozen eggs and a few dozen more with the money saved from paint and feed the poor?

Yes, and it is obvious from the NT that Jesus said to worship God, not him.


Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.


John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



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[McBell]

Since we cannot "share" in pagan events and still claim to be Christian, many people have some soul searching decisions to make. If we want to be "taken in" as God's "sons and daughters" we must not "touch" that which God considers spiritually "unclean". (2 Cor 6:14-18)

It is really that simple. For those who could care less what God thinks....carry on.

Purely out of interest, what names do you give to the days of the week?

"We" didn't give the days of the week or the months their names. Imagine trying to live in a world where we called them all by a different name. Their names will change in God's due time. When God's people were taken into captivity in Babylon, many of the young nobles had their names changed by the Babylonians.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. Daniel was renamed Belteshazzar.

Pope Gregory was the originator of the Gregorian calendar that we use today and he was Catholic....go figure? If you need to ask why he didn't get rid of the names of the pagan gods way back then, I guess you need to ask the Catholic Church.

Interestingly enough you did not answer the question in red.
So one has to wonder if you are engaging in the unclean you claim in purple?
Or if you are embarrassed by what you call the days of the week in order to avoid the pagan names of days of the week?

 

[johnhanks]

Interestingly enough you did not answer the question in red.
So one has to wonder if you are engaging in the unclean you claim in purple?
Or if you are embarrassed by what you call the days of the week in order to avoid the pagan names of days of the week?

Thank you. My point precisely.

 

[JayJayDee]

Interestingly enough you did not answer the question in red.
So one has to wonder if you are engaging in the unclean you claim in purple?
Or if you are embarrassed by what you call the days of the week in order to avoid the pagan names of days of the week?

Well, I thought I answered that by giving you the example of the young Hebrews who were given Babylonian names. Each name was connected to one of Babyolon's gods. Since we know Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego by their Babylonian names and not their Hebrew names, and since these three were outstanding worshippers of the true God even in among the false worshippers of Babylon, it is not their names that are actually important....it was their conduct that demonstrated their standing with God. They refused to bow to the king's image and were punished but God rescued them from the fiery furnace.

Our calling the days of the week and the months of the year the same name as the rest of the world, is in no way connected to our worship. These are not "events" but simply the names of the days and months. We didn't give them their names.

What would the Hebrews have called the days and months of the Babylonian calendar? They were held captive there for 70 years. Remaining separated from Babylonian worship was not dependent upon avoiding the names of the days of the week or months. Seriously you guys.....this is the best you can do in justifying your celebrations?

 

[JayJayDee]

This Halloween you're thinking of is Christian and modern.

You're kidding...right?

The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead (called Samhain), whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”—(1977), Vol. 13, p. 725.

Is this the "Christianizing of paganism or the paganization of Christianity?

Key components of scriptural Christianity has Pagan roots all throughout which is why I wonder you worry so much about the holidays. With everything it's what you make of it.

Name me some "key components of scriptural Christianity with pagan roots" and let's discuss them.

If you are going to cite examples in Christendom...I will probably agree with you.

JW's are no part of Christendom.

 

[Sees]

You're kidding...right?

The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead (called Samhain), whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”—(1977), Vol. 13, p. 725.

Is this the "Christianizing of paganism or the paganization of Christianity?



Name me some "key components of scriptural Christianity with pagan roots" and let's discuss them.

If you are going to cite examples in Christendom...I will probably agree with you.

JW's are no part of Christendom.

I'm not sure what elements they mean, but today's Halloween is only closely related to traditions from couple hundred years ago and not even close to the Celts. It is Christian and modern. Most info about Druids is bologna and folk practices would be fairly different.

Water baptism is a big one that is a Pagan root, as well as sacral meal aka "last supper", things Jews would have recognized as part of multiple mystery religions/cults initiation/rebirth rites and avoided - yet Bible Jesus participated and supported.

 

[johnhanks]

Seriously you guys.....this is the best you can do in justifying your celebrations?

I can't speak for Mestemia, but I for one wasn't trying to "justify our celebrations"; as far as I'm concerned, the celebration of neither the winter solstice nor the spring equinox needs any further justification. For myself, I was just interested in seeing how far you were willing to take your avoidance of "that which God considers spiritually "unclean"".

 

[McBell]

Well, I thought I answered that by giving you the example of the young Hebrews who were given Babylonian names. Each name was connected to one of Babyolon's gods. Since we know Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego by their Babylonian names and not their Hebrew names, and since these three were outstanding worshippers of the true God even in among the false worshippers of Babylon, it is not their names that are actually important....it was their conduct that demonstrated their standing with God. They refused to bow to the king's image and were punished but God rescued them from the fiery furnace.

My Apologies.
I was not aware's of the above.

I have no need to "justify" my celebrations to you or your deity.

 

[JayJayDee]

I'm not sure what elements they mean, but today's Halloween is only closely related to traditions from couple hundred years ago and not even close to the Celts. It is Christian and modern. Most info about Druids is bologna and folk practices would be fairly different.

I started a thread a while back on this topic.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3458938-post1.html

There is nothing "Christian" about it.

Water baptism is a big one that is a Pagan root, as well as sacral meal aka "last supper", things Jews would have recognized as part of multiple mystery religions/cults initiation/rebirth rites and avoided - yet Bible Jesus participated and supported.

Can you cite examples of pagans who practiced these "rites" and why you believe that the Jews of Jesus' day would not have accepted such things?

What was Jesus to the Jews?

What did Christian baptism mean? Was it the same as John' baptism?

What was the purpose of the "Last Supper"?

Would the Jews have been a trusted source of Biblical truth in those times?

Can we explore these things? They are all relevant to your statement above.

 

[JayJayDee]

I can't speak for Mestemia, but I for one wasn't trying to "justify our celebrations"; as far as I'm concerned, the celebration of neither the winter solstice nor the spring equinox needs any further justification. For myself, I was just interested in seeing how far you were willing to take your avoidance of that which God considers spiritually "unclean"

Now you know.

These issues are for each individual to decide for themselves.

Being "faithful in what is least" is also important to God, though not so important to many who may claim to be Christian. Once the truth is known, it is interesting to see what excuses people will use to justify their conduct.

The final accounting will be to God, not to any human. So having the correct premise to begin with is vital when making important decisions about worship. From God's perspective, there is only true worship and false worship. He doesn't recognise 'branches' of worship....that is a human trait.

@ Mestemia

No one has to justify themselves to me, but all will render an account to the Creator, whether we like it or not.....whether we believe in him or not.

You can ignore the messengers if you wish, but it alters nothing about the outcome. :sad: Why are you mad at him?

 

[McBell]

No one has to justify themselves to me, but all will render an account to the Creator, whether we like it or not.....whether we believe in him or not.

I disagree.

You can ignore the messengers if you wish, but it alters nothing about the outcome. :sad: Why are you mad at him?

Again, I disagree.
How can someone be mad at someone they do not believe exists?

 

[Sees]

I started a thread a while back on this topic.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3458938-post1.html

There is nothing "Christian" about it.



Can you cite examples of pagans who practiced these "rites" and why you believe that the Jews of Jesus' day would not have accepted such things?

What was Jesus to the Jews?

What did Christian baptism mean? Was it the same as John' baptism?

What was the purpose of the "Last Supper"?

Would the Jews have been a trusted source of Biblical truth in those times?

Can we explore these things? They are all relevant to your statement above.

Aye, I love you JayJay, time to celebrate today :drunk:

 

[JayJayDee]

Aye, I love you JayJay, time to celebrate today :drunk:

LOL...did you just pike out on me?


Get up man.....there's such a thing as too much celebrating!

Sleep it off, then maybe you can answer my questions?

I'll wait......

 

[Andrew Odinson]

The eggs have nothing to do with Jesus nor does anything else associated with the holiday. The eggs are a representation of a fertility goddess and were 'stolen' in an attempt to convert a rival faith to Christianity. Easter is a thinly pasted Jesus theme on a borrowed pagan holiday.

 

[Fromper]

So as long as we're talking Easter, I thought this was a good thread to mention the Make Mine Chocolate campaign to keep live rabbits out of Easter celebrations. They're living, breathing, feeling creatures, not decorations to be used for the Easter holiday and discarded when you're tired of caring for them. Everyone, please stick to chocolate bunnies when you celebrate the holiday.

Happy Easter to those of you who celebrate!

 

[Nakosis]

Eggs kind of universally symbolize new birth. (new beginning?)
Jesus rose from the dead on Easter.
It is also the end of lent. During lent, some fast from meat and dairy products. So eggs are not allowed during lent. They are hidden...
Easter, the fast is over, eggs are again allowed. The eggs symbolizing a new beginning, previously hidden for lent, are found and enjoyed as a teat after fasting in preparation for celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[Nakosis]

The hare is interesting. Three hares in an interlocked circle was pretty common and became the symbol of the Trinity for some early churches. The meaning that pre-dates Christianity seems lost/unknown. The rabbit also symbolizes virginity, because it was thought at one time the Rabbit could reproduce without loosing it's virginity. So the rabbit also became the symbol of the virgin Mary.

Greek Christians give red colored eggs which symbolize the blood Jesus sacrificed. The traditional story was that Mary Magdalene went to the Roman Emperor to report that Jesus had risen from the grave. The Emperor responded that Jesus had no more risen from the grave then the egg on his breakfast table was red. Where upon the egg immediately turned red.

 

[fantome profane]

Eggs kind of universally symbolize new birth. (new beginning?)
Jesus rose from the dead on Easter.
It is also the end of lent. During lent, some fast from meat and dairy products. So eggs are not allowed during lent. They are hidden...
Easter, the fast is over, eggs are again allowed. The eggs symbolizing a new beginning, previously hidden for lent, are found and enjoyed as a teat after fasting in preparation for celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.

Freudian typo?

 

[JayJayDee]

Freudian typo?

Rabbit's milk?

Funny how all these traditions come down through time and people assume that the thin veneer of Christianity that is plastered over them wipes out their pagan origins.

Just to repeat...."Easter" is not a Biblically supported celebration...in fact there is no mention of "Easter" at all in the scriptures....that could have something to do with the fact that "Easter" is the name of a fertility goddess (also known as Ishtar or Astarte) whose symbols were rabbits and eggs? It is none other than the ancient fertility rites of the spring equinox which are cunningly disguised as a Christian event. Even the hot cross buns of Good Friday, along with the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday, figured in the ancient Babylonian rites just as they do now.

The Encyclopædia Britannica commented: “There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the apostolic Fathers. The sanctity of special times was an idea absent from the minds of the first Christians.”

The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us: “A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility.”

I seem to recall God forbidding his people to adopt the practices of the pagan nations, which he said were "detestable" to him. (Deut 18:9)

Would someone like to show me where the first Christians held something akin to Lent? Isn't this also just another man-made tradition? What does it have to do with Jesus' death?