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Hillary Clinton is Far More Honest Than the Propagandists are Telling You

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I would find it hysterically comical if the Hispanic vote in Indiana is enough to give the state to Hillary. Hillary has some wiggle room, Trump has none. If Trump looses any of the safe Red states, he's done for.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
That proves my point, @Notanumber: You don't have to be a bigot to vote for Trump, but it sure helps.

This is why we call these people the basket of deplorables. How insanely bigoted to condemn anyone because of their ancestry. The next thing we know, you'll be condemning a judge because his parents are Mexican and Trump wants to build a wall. Oh wait. He's done that already you said? Bingo. Yahtzee. No wonder the KKK and other bigots support Trump.

What's white, and white and white all over? The KKK and Trump.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What's white, and white and white all over? The KKK and Trump.
Trump can't be white all over because then it spoils one of the Bill Maher jokes that are actually funny. :D (it also further demonstrates what an immature tool Trump is).
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
The evidence mounts


Oh what a tangled web she weaves.

The bad news is that he doesn’t think that Trump will be allowed to win the election.


 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
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See also: Comparing Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump on the Truth-O-Meter

Contrary to the propaganda you see everywhere, there is no equivalency between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump when it comes to honesty. Clinton is not only far more honest than Trump, but she is more honest than many other prominent American politicians. Comments?
The biggest shock to me is that, based on this graph, Sarah Palin is the 2nd most truthful person out there, telling the truth about 22% of the time. Kasich holds the record at about 25%. That IS staggering.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That proves my point, @Notanumber: You don't have to be a bigot to vote for Trump, but it sure helps.

This is why we call these people the basket of deplorables. How insanely bigoted to condemn anyone because of their ancestry. The next thing we know, you'll be condemning a judge because his parents are Mexican and Trump wants to build a wall. Oh wait. He's done that already you said? Bingo. Yahtzee. No wonder the KKK and other bigots support Trump.

What's white, and white and white all over? The KKK and Trump.
About intolerance.....
I notice here that Hillary supporters are quick to call Trump supporters awful things.
But the reverse doesn't seem to be happening....at least not to the same degree.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Why did Bill Clinton pardon Mark Rich?

Was it because, as the republicans said, he was a Clinton donor.


Oh what a tangled web she weaves!
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
About intolerance.....
I notice here that Hillary supporters are quick to call Trump supporters awful things.
But the reverse doesn't seem to be happening....at least not to the same degree.
About standards. I notice that Trump supporters are quick to abandon theirs and devolve into awful practices that might even be termed deplorable.
But the reverse doesn't seem to be happening... at least not to the same degree.

There's a certain guilt by association here, expectially since it's by your choice. Birds of a feather flock together. Trump, the bully bigot, attracts other bully bigots or at the very minimum people who are comfortable enough with bigotry that they can overlook it. Ergo, Trump's supporters either have no moral standards when it comes to bigotry or it's a sliding one that allows them to abandon it as is convenient for them. Either way, those of us that see bigotry as the quintessential character flaw see this as deplorable. What's more, like a flat tire on your car, we feel compelled to point it out. Call it tough love, but we're concerned that you don't understand the implications of driving around with such a flaw.

Now, how did we arrive at the conclusion that Trump's a bully bigot? We didn't have to listen to the DNC or even the RNC to figure it out. No, we got it straight from the horse's butt. There are hours and hours of Trump's self proclaimed bigotry to listen to. He's not a closet bigot, but to be honest, he doesn't even realize that he's a bigot which makes him an ignorant bigot. Ouch! But even with him being ignorant about his bigotry, we expect our friends and associates to be a bit less clueless than Trump. Yes, it bothers us that you don't, can't or won't see it, especially when it's this stinking obvious.

To be clear, and I've posted this before, not everyone voting for Trump is a bigot. That's a truth as far as I can tell. However, I'm also fairly certain that almost all bigots will be voting for Trump. Ergo, you don't have to be a bigot to vote for Trump, but it helps. This may be a brutal truth, but I see it as a truth, nonetheless.

Now, if you want to call that intolerant, then I'm OK with that. I would rather be guilty of being intolerant towards bigotry than being tolerant or worse, supportive of it. I hate, hate, hate bigotry and I see Trump as the epitomy of ignorant bigotry. I'm so glad we've had this talk. Hopefully you'll better understand why I see Trump as the worst possible candidate for POTUS in the history of this great country.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Whoa, I didn't realize that Bill was even running.


I have said it before they are two peas in a pod. They are both involved with the Clinton Foundation.

Their tentacles of corruption have spread far and wide.

Her lies have even forced a sitting president to lie in public.




She even threatens the President and the rest of the establishment.

Oh what a tangled web she weaves!
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I have said it before
and you still haven't learned. Imagine that. So willing to overlook Trump's bigotry because he is a Republican, but so, so willing to buy into all the lies about the Clintons. It would be 2 phreakin phunni if it wasn't so tragic.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
and you still haven't learned. Imagine that. So willing to overlook Trump's bigotry because he is a Republican, but so, so willing to buy into all the lies about the Clintons. It would be 2 phreakin phunni if it wasn't so tragic.


Those three videos total over 15 minutes in length, yet you responded in 6 minutes.

Therefore, it seems the big difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the former is prepared to look at both sides of the argument before spouting off.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
it seems the big difference between Republicans and Democrats
is that Dems can spot hate filled propaganda far more quickly. I am already familiar with two of the three vids you posted. I'm not going to waste my time wading through their distortions all over again. Why would I bother with the third if they are anything like the first two? You have presented yourself as the most gullible and strident Trump supporter on this forum, if not in the whole country. Your blind devotion to the bully bigot is alarming. That you can be so easily fooled by their ultra-partisan lies simply amazes me. That you accuse me of not looking at both sides of the argument is ironic to the point that I can't even find an appropriate superlative. This is like watching a real Archie Bunker blather on and on. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion: horrifying, but I just can't look away. What's left to say?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
About standards. I notice that Trump supporters are quick to abandon theirs and devolve into awful practices that might even be termed deplorable.
But the reverse doesn't seem to be happening... at least not to the same degree.

There's a certain guilt by association here, expectially since it's by your choice. Birds of a feather flock together. Trump, the bully bigot, attracts other bully bigots or at the very minimum people who are comfortable enough with bigotry that they can overlook it. Ergo, Trump's supporters either have no moral standards when it comes to bigotry or it's a sliding one that allows them to abandon it as is convenient for them. Either way, those of us that see bigotry as the quintessential character flaw see this as deplorable. What's more, like a flat tire on your car, we feel compelled to point it out. Call it tough love, but we're concerned that you don't understand the implications of driving around with such a flaw.

Now, how did we arrive at the conclusion that Trump's a bully bigot? We didn't have to listen to the DNC or even the RNC to figure it out. No, we got it straight from the horse's butt. There are hours and hours of Trump's self proclaimed bigotry to listen to. He's not a closet bigot, but to be honest, he doesn't even realize that he's a bigot which makes him an ignorant bigot. Ouch! But even with him being ignorant about his bigotry, we expect our friends and associates to be a bit less clueless than Trump. Yes, it bothers us that you don't, can't or won't see it, especially when it's this stinking obvious.

To be clear, and I've posted this before, not everyone voting for Trump is a bigot. That's a truth as far as I can tell. However, I'm also fairly certain that almost all bigots will be voting for Trump. Ergo, you don't have to be a bigot to vote for Trump, but it helps. This may be a brutal truth, but I see it as a truth, nonetheless.

Now, if you want to call that intolerant, then I'm OK with that. I would rather be guilty of being intolerant towards bigotry than being tolerant or worse, supportive of it. I hate, hate, hate bigotry and I see Trump as the epitomy of ignorant bigotry. I'm so glad we've had this talk. Hopefully you'll better understand why I see Trump as the worst possible candidate for POTUS in the history of this great country.
By your rationale, it's proper to say.....
One needn't be a dishonest paranoid warmongering abusive incompetent power hungry misandrist to vote for Hillary, but it helps.

No, I think your approach is counter-productive because of its polarizing intolerance.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
is that Dems can spot hate filled propaganda far more quickly. I am already familiar with two of the three vids you posted. I'm not going to waste my time wading through their distortions all over again. Why would I bother with the third if they are anything like the first two? You have presented yourself as the most gullible and strident Trump supporter on this forum, if not in the whole country. Your blind devotion to the bully bigot is alarming. That you can be so easily fooled by their ultra-partisan lies simply amazes me. That you accuse me of not looking at both sides of the argument is ironic to the point that I can't even find an appropriate superlative. This is like watching a real Archie Bunker blather on and on. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion: horrifying, but I just can't look away. What's left to say?


Donald Trump is not perfect but he is genuinely concerned about the state of his country whereas the Clinton's are only in for themselves and what they can get out of it. Be it more money or power.

It has become obvious that you don’t like me posting informative videos of your hero so read this for a change.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-emails-history-214095

Granted Donald doesn’t escape some criticism in the article.

Oh what a tangled web she weaves!
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Donald Trump is not perfect but he is genuinely concerned about the state of his country whereas the Clinton's are only in for themselves and what they can get out of it. Be it more money or power.
Actually, the converse is true. Read Trump's the "Art of the Deal" for all the proof you could possibly need.
Oh what a tangled web she weaves!
Dude, Al Gore invented the web. Keep your stories straight. :D :D :D
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
If you think not keeping your word and cheating people out of their hard earned money is good, then sure.
 
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