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Hillary For Prez!
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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I have grown increasingly doubtful whether it even matters who the POTUS is.
That said, sure, why not Hillary? She is not a Republican, and that puts her ahead of half the candidates right there. It helps that she has privileged access to Clinton.
That said, sure, why not Hillary? She is not a Republican, and that puts her ahead of half the candidates right there. It helps that she has privileged access to Clinton.
technomage
Finding my own way
It does matter who POTUS is ... but at the same time, you also have to have a Congress who will work with each other, and with him. Even if they disagree, there is still room to do the work. This "partisan politics uber alles" that pervades Washington today is doing damage to the US.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It doesn't matter so much to me either. What matters to me is who holds the House and the Senate. That, to me, is where the power is. And even beyond that the real power lies at the local level. Since 2010 we've seen an increase in various voter suppression and anti-abortion bills at the state level. Much of what affects us happens there.
Oh, lawd....political salvation lies in voting for the Democrat...any Democrat, no matter
what her record or agenda? No matter her position on increased domestic spying, crony
capitalism, higher taxes, more wars, excessive regulation, loss of civil liberties, & the looming
police state, at least she's a woman & a Democrat. I hope such political thoughts are rare.
You don't have to vote for the status quo. There are 3rd parties, people.
Hardly, as Obama showed time and again.
It just beats voting GOP every time, other conditions being the same.
I agree with Technomage above. As long as you are so tied up by posturings and partisanships, you are your own worst enemy.
I actually hope so as well. All the same, having arrived at such a point myself, I can only understand all too well why one would think so.
It is not like there is a lot of choice.
Besides, let me ask you something. I have no idea who exactly you would like to see as the POTUS (I assume a Libertarian of some kind, and most likely not anyone from the two traditional parties), but let's pretend for a moment that he or she has indeed been elected.
How much of a difference does it make in practice? And how much of the difference comes from the actual person in charge, and how much comes from whatever changes in the political environment made it possible for the election to go that way in the first place?
It seems to me that the actual solutions come by those changes, not from a specific POTUS.
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technomage
Finding my own way
Currently, Rev, third-parties are not only a dead end, voting for a third party pulls a viable vote from your end of the political spectrum. 1992 was a classic example: Perot split enough from the conservative vote that Bush (41) didn't get re-elected. That's the _best_ a third party has ever done.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I'd actually like to see a third party president. What such a presidency would look like and how it would function would be an interesting experiment. Personally I believe the structure in Washington is too complicated for a third party POTUS to come in shake things up. Said party would have to have complete control or we would see no difference. Even then I'd wonder about a party such as a third party having complete control and them getting drunk off their new found power. I've been looking into the various positions of these third party choices and not much sets them apart from the main two.
They're only a dead end as long as few people think outside the 2 party system.
We have a choice: Support the status quo, or take a chance on a party one really likes.
I'll pick the latter, even though I've lost every election so far.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Who would you suggest as a candidate?
technomage
Finding my own way
That's the thing, Rev. I'm not saying third parties have no answers, or that they're not a good idea. I'm saying that electability is impossible.
You've got about 1/3 of the populace who would vote Democrat if they ran a donkey. You've got about 1/3 of the populace who would vote Republican if they ran a steaming pile of elephant droppings. Those percentages have stayed pretty stable since before WWII.
I've no illusions that I'm likely to win.
But it feels better than voting for evil (the lesser of two).
technomage
Finding my own way
So even though it's a protest vote, you're OK with that?
If so, that's cool. I have to admit, if I can't support one of the electable candidates, I will refrain from voting for that office at all, but I can also respect your view.
That's what it amounts too.
Yes, I'm OK with it.
Please, don't give respect.
I can't live up to it.
technomage
Finding my own way
Oops ... that's right. Ummm ....
Gotta come up with an insult ....
Uhh ... you dress funny, and your hygiene is questionable at best?
:help:
tytlyf
Not Religious
Which is partly why I vote democrat. They are the lesser of the biggest evil (gop)
OK....where's the insult?
technomage
Finding my own way
While currently true (imo), it's not always true. Unfortunately, Reagan started some extremely bad precedents.
esmith
Veteran Member
Who is to say that a Democrat or Republican would not run a candidate that espouses the libertarian concept. It appears that the country, at least the young, are leaning heavily in favor of the libertarian principles. Now, I am not saying that either party would run a strictly libertarian candidate, but nothing says that a candidate could not be found that was acceptable to many libertarian philosophies. Neither am I saying that this is going to happen in the near future, but it is possible.
But from my perspective, he's the best of a bad lot as far back as I remember.