Hillary's mistake

[Riders]

I think back when she lost and catastrophy of having Trump in office four years in 0art was blamed on her.

I would bet she's breathing a sigh of relief now. Now her mistakes being cleaned up by Biden. Well at least she got to see him lose which is cause for celebration for her.

 

[Goddess Kit]

The fault was not with her, but with the EC.

 

[Sunstone]

The fault was not with her, but with the EC.

Ultimately, I agree with you, Kit. Something must be done about the electoral college if we are ever to have a genuine representative democracy in this country.

 

[Polymath257]

Ultimately, I agree with you, Kit. Something must be done about the electoral college if we are ever to have a genuine representative democracy in this country.

That will require a Constitutional Amendment. Can you imagine being able to get 37 state legislatures to vote for it?

While I would support it, I don't think it's going to happen any time soon.

 

[Sunstone]

That will require a Constitutional Amendment. Can you imagine being able to get 37 state legislatures to vote for it?

While I would support it, I don't think it's going to happen any time soon.

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

That's probably how the EC will ultimately be ended--in it's current manifestation and rendered moot--one state at a time.

 

[PureX]

Biden isn't going to fix anything. He's been a do-nothing place-holder his entire political career. And that's all he'll do as president. He'll 'hold the fort' until the republicans get back in control and finish destroying democracy and the middle class once and for all. And if they win the House and keep the Senate, that will be very soon.

 

[Riders]

Biden isn't going to fix anything. He's been a do-nothing place-holder his entire political career. And that's all he'll do as president. He'll 'hold the fort' until the republicans get back in control and finish destroying democracy and the middle class once and for all. And if they win the House and keep the Senate, that will be very soon.

That maybe. I am libertarian not democrat.Im not sold on Biden doing well.
I'm happy he's in because I wanted to get rid of Trump.

But he's the lesser of the evils but I'd rather have a libertarian truthfully I'm not sold on him being that great.I hope he's Abit better then Trump that's all I can hope for.

I know his manners and demeanor is a hundred percent better. Then Trump.I will not missTrump's stinkifest on twitter.

 

[PureX]

Trump was never really the problem. It's been the criminal republicans dominating the Senate, and too many states. And that problem has not been 'fixed' at all, yet.

 

[JustGeorge]

I get the idea of the electoral college. I was totally against it for a time, but it makes a bit more sense to me, now... It does seem that the populous urban areas would get to call all the shots at that point, completely dominating rural culture. But, it seems the way its working now, rural culture gets way too much influence over urban areas... my own state is very sparsely populated, with all the urban counties(which are more numerous)being red, and all the urban being blue.

What I don't get is why a state's votes all have to be the same. Why does Iowa have to be 'red', and contribute 6 Republican votes? Why couldn't it contribute 4 Republican, and 2 Democrat(or whatever number would appropriate reflect the state's thinking), rather than being all or nothing?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something...

 

[Polymath257]

I get the idea of the electoral college. I was totally against it for a time, but it makes a bit more sense to me, now... It does seem that the populous urban areas would get to call all the shots at that point, completely dominating rural culture. But, it seems the way its working now, rural culture gets way too much influence over urban areas... my own state is very sparsely populated, with all the urban counties(which are more numerous)being red, and all the urban being blue.

What I don't get is why a state's votes all have to be the same. Why does Iowa have to be 'red', and contribute 6 Republican votes? Why couldn't it contribute 4 Republican, and 2 Democrat(or whatever number would appropriate reflect the state's thinking), rather than being all or nothing?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something...

Nebraska and Maine split up their Electoral College votes. So, yes, it is possible. All that needs to happen is for the *states* to determine how they want to allocate their EC votes.

 

[Polymath257]

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

I'd actually not mind it is the EC votes for each state were given as a proportionality for the popular votes of that state.

it wouldn't be perfectly fair, but it would be a LOT more so than what we have now.

 

[JustGeorge]

Nebraska and Maine split up their Electoral College votes. So, yes, it is possible. All that needs to happen is for the *states* to determine how they want to allocate their EC votes.

But of course, changing that would mean the politicians of the state would be working for the good of the people... So I won't hold my breath.

 

[PureX]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something...

Part of the problem is in adopting the idea that we are a "two culture" nation. And that people living the cities can't understand or respect people living in the rural regions, and likewise, such that they need to be protected from one another by an 'electoral college'. When really, people are people, and need and want much the same things no mater where they live. And the only real cultural divide we need to be worried about is the rich owning and controlling everything, at the expense of everyone else. Which is really what the electoral college was intended to enable.

I agree that we can't have cities deciding to dump their waste in rural areas (for example) simply because they have the voting power to decide this. But we don't need the electoral college to stop this from happening. We can simply pass laws that give increased control of land management to the people living on and around the land being managed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

Yes, I like the idea of the NPVIC. And Colorado joined it last year though legislation. The initiative allowed voters to decide if they wanted to opt out. It is nice to hear that they did not do so.

Right now the Electoral Votes that the compact has is 196. They need 270 for it to go into effect:

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

 

[Augustus]

The fault was not with her, but with the EC.

Regardless of whether or not you feel it is the best system, you sign up for an election according to the rules that are set beforehand.

There are numerous forms of democracy, all have strengths and weaknesses, but if someone loses an election according to the rules set beforehand, it is not the fault of the system that they lost. They should have done more to win under the rules they signed up for.

Trump is now complaining about losing because he doesn't like the rules that caused him to lose.

I don't think the American electoral system is particularly good and agree it could be made much better, but based on the country's history and constitution, a pure popular vote system is not self-evidently fairer.

[I think the national vote should matter far less as locales should have much greater powers. I believe that would make for a far more harmonious country as other people disagreeing with you matters far less if it doesn't affect your day to day life. Winner takes all national politics is poisonous]

 

[Augustus]

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

I'm interested in how you feel about decentralisation? (for me much more power devolved to the sub-state level)

Given the country is 50/50 or thereabouts, in a loosely federal system, you would have far more happy people than in a winner takes all system that guarantees a lot of unhappiness.

Far more parts of the country would roughly get the system of government they prefer.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Colorado just passed a ballot measure that requires Colorado's delegation to the Electoral College to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote. No constitutional amendment required. Several states already have committed to the same thing as Colorado, or have it under consideration.

All you have to do is toughen up the restrictions on faithless electors to reflect the majority in that state. Create some real legal penalties for once.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All you have to do is toughen up the restrictions on faithless electors to reflect the majority in that state. Create some real legal penalties for once.

What makes you think that faithless Electors was the problem that caused Colorado to join the NPVIC? The NPVIC is a legal work around the need for a Constitutional amendment to turn the Presidential election into a popular vote contest.