Hindu Satanist

[AbdAlShaytaan]

This question is aimed at the Hindu's mostly.

I am a Luciferian (a Left hand path theology) and a Hindu.

As a Luciferian I believe in the constant pursuit of knowledge to be the closet thing to discovering god by discovering what he has given us on this earth.

Now I eat meat, drink (never get drunk though), I do not believe man is inherently good in nature but evil, I believe mankind as a whole is doomed to never get along because we have a instinctive violent nature, man is naturally hedonistic and materialistic which is perfectly natural.

Now I also believe in reincarnation, karma, dharma, the (majority) of the validity of the Bhagavad-Gita and Upanishads, existence of numerous deva and devi etc etc.

Now the thing is as a Luciferian I am to do what is best for me so I cannot fully agree with everything the majority of Hindu's believe in because if I find no validation for it I do not accept it. Basically Luciferianism focuses on what is best for the individual rather then to follow a religion. So I am a syncretist as I take principles from certain religions I find truthful.
As a whole I find Sanatana Dharma to be the most truthful and beneficial for me but I of course cannot agree with everything 100%. I for example do not believe humans are reincarnated into animals. But 80% of Hindu teachings I follow. I believe in materialism and hedonism but I do not think we should be slaves to it. As a Luciferian I follow some Satanic principles such as moderation of good and bad. We can never be perfectly good so just try to balance yourself out instead of trying and eventually destroying your human nature.......which is to sin.

I also may add I follow Sanatana Dharma mostly, followed by Satanism and Islam. Luciferianism is not Satanism it is just a theology focusing on the attributes of the Lucifers (pagan gods that have nothing to do with Satan). Lucifer is a Latin word and actually has nothing to do with Satan as it was "incorporated" into the Bible and actually referred to a King or Pagan god (not Satan). Since a morning star is actually a long lists of astrological deities centered around stars. But Luciferianism in a nutshell is focusing on understanding your spirituality (mines happens to be Hinduism......mostly).

Is it safe for me to call myself a Hindu? I often say Dharmic Luciferian or "semi Hindu" but I often hate explaining my beliefs so I prefer the usage of one word everyone knows .

 

[Surya Deva]

There are three possible answers to this:

1) As 'Hinduism' is essentially the anything goes religion, anybody can consider themselves a Hindu lol Hinduism is a collection of different philosophies, religions, practices, beliefs that literally nobody can be excluded from it. It is the catch all religion which is everything and nothing at the same time. In this school of thought syncreticism are indeed possible(Yogananda combined Hinduism and Christianity)
2) As 'Hinduism' refers to the tradition which begins with the Vedas(in the same way Abraham is the tradition of Abrahamic religions) neither Islam or Luciferianism belong to this tradition and therefore you cannot be considered Hindu.
3) As you use the term 'Sanatana Dharma' No I do not consider your unusual syncreticism of Hinduism, with Islam and Luciferianism to be SD. SD means univrsal religion and it is based on universal principles and the only aspect of Hinduism that qualifies as SD is Advaita Vedanta Hinduism, those universal principle being

a) Brahman
b) Atman
c) Maya
d) Karma and Samara
e) Yoga and Moksha

One of the core tenets of SD is that the Brahman/Atman is a source of pure consciousness, pure bliss and pure knowledge and existence. The hallmarks of somebody who is closer to self-realization is seen as love, compassion and wisdom and pure virtue. The cause of 'evil' is seen as the result of falsely identifying oneself with the body, mind, ego. Hence this does not support your belief of 'evil' for SD would say evil is just the natural instincts and tendencies of the body, and they are not our essential and pure nature which is beyond any distinction of good and evil, but it is divine. At the same time if you engage in evil acts(by identifying with your natural instincts) you will create bad karma and suffer.

 

[Vinayaka]

People all, including Hindus, have varying definitions of what a Hindu is. Personally, I wouldn't consider you a Hindu, because there is a better word for what you say you are: syncretic. But that's just me. I have a fairly strict tradition and hence definition. Anybody can call themselves whatever they want to, obviously.

I don't see a lot of agreement between Islam and Hinduism philosophically. To me, they seem to be polar opposites. So combining those two seems quite contrived.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Eh. Some of your beliefs contradict my idea of Sanatana Dharma, but call yourself as you please. That you draw from Hinduism is indisputable, and here it is self-identification that counts.

 

[Surya Deva]

My major theology is that the one god or Brahman is the creator/reality/god of everything including the good and the bad.
I also said evil is the result of the physical body (I never said spiritual). I said it is the nature of the flesh to be hedonistic not the nature of the spirit.
Luciferianism and its core idea of god (which can differ) is god is pure wisdom, bliss, existence and only can be experience by individual efforts not by the mass following one identical understanding of god.

Well, this sound a lot more closer to Hinduism. So perhaps you can call yourself 'Hindu' but my personal advice is stay away from that term it is highly confusing and contradictory(see my thread: the fallacy of 'Hindusim') Rather, adopt the term SD especially given that your theology is principle based and not based on any particular god/s/rituals/practices.

I follow a similar path to you in fact: A Tantric path which combines both RHP and LHP methods. I also follow a very individualized path, having no formal allegiance to any particular tradition, drawing from every tradition but having my base in Advaita Vedanta.

 

[Surya Deva]

You are in essence a Luciferian .
Understand god yourself and understand your own spirit, principle rule of Luciferianism and the only rule actually.
I do not waste my time trying to fit into a religion I just take all the religions, teachings,and philosophies and see which one or how many of them fit into me.

I have learned something also about myself just now, I think I just dislike the bad connotations the word "Lucifer" gets associated with despite it being the word to describe Jesus (seriously, in the original Latin copies of the Bible).
I am gonna try and just say Luciferian for once and stop worrying about appearances

Yes, I must say I have lurked many a times in the Satanism/Setianism forums, but really shouldn't be telling you that as many Hindus here already think I am evil Perhaps, one of the most 'satanic' paths comes from Hinduism itself: Tantra and the greatest depiction of this is Shiva who is smeared with cremation ash. I am strongly drawn to the symbol of Shiva, for me Shiva represents the empowered individual, meditating to realize that they are actually the supreme being.

I follow a moderate LHP path involving promiscuous sex, alochol, meat eating and the occasional smoking - but you know what, I just described the average modern lifestyle lol

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Vamachara does not consist of idle use of what is sacrament.

 

[shivadas]

Satan is ego.... Lucifer is the roman name for the god with in Jesus christ in gnotisism.
Hinduism teaches the inherent goodness of the spirit, and puts down materialism, lucifarian philosophy like Satanism is all materialism.
If one is lucifarian it wouldn't make a whole lot of sends to be Hindu, unless you blatenly steal yoga secrets and call it lucifarian, like joy of Satan does....
Spirituality is about goodness, and good things... don't waste your time, just be Hindu... if you are really into dark **** just be an aghori, but Satanism and lucifarianism are a joke.

 

[Surya Deva]

Who says that I am using it idly? I am using it for the purpose it is designed for to shock the system and catalyze spiritual development through actively working on desire to develop viveka and vairgaya. Desire is a powerful creature and it cannot be suppressed, it must be actively worked on either through an inner alchemical process of Kriya Yoga or though mindful indulgence, or both.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Satan is ego.... Lucifer is the roman name for the god with in Jesus christ in gnotisism.
Hinduism teaches the inherent goodness of the spirit, and puts down materialism, lucifarian philosophy like Satanism is all materialism.
If one is lucifarian it wouldn't make a whole lot of sends to be Hindu, unless you blatenly steal yoga secrets and call it lucifarian, like joy of Satan does....
Spirituality is about goodness, and good things... don't waste your time, just be Hindu... if you are really into dark **** just be an aghori, but Satanism and lucifarianism are a joke.

Pretty big misrepresentation of Luciferianism there. Also Satanism. I self-identify as Luciferian, but there are many varieties of it. Gnostic Luciferianism is a skip and a hop away from the agamic Hinduism, and tends to involve better astronomical symbolism.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Who says that I am using idly? I am using it for the purpose it is designed for to shock the system and catalyze spiritual development through actively working on desire to develop viveka and dispassion. Desire is a powerful creature and it cannot be suppressed, it must be actively worked on either through an inner alchemical process of Kriya Yoga or though mindful indulgence, or both.

Can you please explain something to me without resorting to google, etc.?

What is the panchamakara and what role does it play in sadhana?

 

[Surya Deva]

Can you please explain something to me without resorting to google, etc.?

What is the panchamakara and what role does it play in sadhana?

The Panchamarka is the ritual consumption of meat, wine, fish, stale food and sex. However, while some traditions literally indulge in these ritually, other traditions consider them symbolic. Its role in Sadhana, I cannot really answer from a pure LHP perspective, but only from my own understanding and application of it that is breaks taboos, shocks the system out of notions of false morality and hypocrisy and catalyzes the development of viveka and vairgaya, but through indulgence once eventually reaches a point of developing dispassion for these activities, then one is free they can practice a pure path of spirituality free from pollution of base desire.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

That's more of the philosophical meaning - and fairly accurate. It's to end ideation of profanity, and give rise to the realization that everything is sacred. Mudra, btw, is parched grain but also has many other relevant meanings - sigil, gesture, seal for example.

Beyond the belief though there's the practice of it. Each has coded meaning with reference to the tattvas and bhuta shuddhi; procedures of laya yoga. Each is an oblation, offered in a particular ritual context, whether that ritual is internal or external or both.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Lucifer may or may not mean Satan. There are profitable esoteric explanations which conflate the two - will give an example if you wish. And Satan may or may not mean ego, it can also be taken as conscience.

 

[Surya Deva]

I do not believe in promiscuous sex but then again I am a sadist so I do not believe in sex period!
I believe in modesty.

I do not recommend the LHP path for I know myself how badly I have damaged my physical and energy body in it, that I am have more than likely shortened my natural life span by decades. However, I do not regret it, because through this indulgence I have been able to gain in emotional maturity, liberate myself from ideas like morality and truly express my free spirit. In my next incarnation I will be able to begin with less baggage of desire.

Everytime you indulge in desire mindfully you will begin to notice gradually, every time you fulfill that desire just how transient and limited the satisfaction is, how the pleasure you experience is actually mixed with pain, how is disturbs your mind and produces further karmas that compels you to seek it out again. But you will not desist from those desires until you have developed genuine discirmination and dispassion. It is kind of like how a smoker smokes knowing that smoking is injurious to their health, and they claim they will quit, but they never can quite quit until they are truly ready to quit.

Desire is baggage. Desire brings you back over and over again to this physical reality to deal with them. Hence, it is wise to work on your desires in this life so that you have less baggage in the next.

 

[Surya Deva]

That's more of the philosophical meaning - and fairly accurate. It's to end ideation of profanity, and give rise to the realization that everything is sacred. Mudra, btw, is parched grain but also has many other relevant meanings - sigil, gesture, seal for example.

What is parched grain? I understand it is stale food, but I am not quite sure.

Beyond the belief though there's the practice of it. Each has coded meaning with reference to the tattvas and bhuta shuddhi; procedures of laya yoga. Each is an oblation, offered in a particular ritual context, whether that ritual is internal or external or both.

I do not know this because I have not read many of the Tantras/Agamas, because I cannot really find English translations of them, as most seem to be in Tamil and I am very turned off by ritual. I do have translations of the Vijnana Bhairara Tantra which I definitely appreciate.

So how are the the rituals of Bhuta suddhi practiced and how is the ritual practiced externally and internally?

 

[Shuddhasattva]

What is parched grain? I understand it is stale food, but I am not quite sure.

Particular way of processing grain by roasting. You know beaten rice (chyura)? Often dry-roasted. So is chana and makki.

This refers, amongst other things, to destroying the efficacy of the seeds of karma through tejas - sealing the ritual. Burned seeds do not sprout.

I do not know this because I have not read many of the Tantras/Agamas, because I cannot really find English translations of them, as most seem to be in Tamil and I am very turned off by ritual.

Some of the Siddhantagamas are now in Tamil, but it originated in the North in Sanskrit, and some translations are available. Yes, these are more ritualistic than you'll find in Trika/Kaulagamas - which is what I'd recommend. There are some good translations out there, I'd start with John Woodroffe's. Shivashakti.com is an excellent site as well.

I do have translations of the Vijnana Bhairara Tantra which I definitely appreciate.

Whose?

So how are the the rituals of Bhuta suddhi practiced and how is the ritual practiced externally and internally?

Particulars depend on the sect. The basic idea is to invoke, through prana pratistha (equivalent to Vedic richas) Kundalini by bringing prana and apana to equilibrium (the sun and the moon).

Here, mantra is the oblation offered to the fire. The 'fire' rises through the psychic nerve plexuses (chakras), which are constellations of deities. Each deity is a petal is a nadi, with two central presiding deity pairs.The threefold division of sun, moon and fire is carried all the way up - both in the central nadis, and the chakras themselves. This is the kamakala triad of bija, nada and bindu - which is invoked with each mantra as the threefold body/presence of the invoked deity, who is none other than an embodied state of consciousness - whether that body is meditated on as gross, subtle or causal.

Rituals are classed according to the inclination of the practitioner, generally taken as threefold - viz. pashu, vira and divya, and also divided across bahir - eternal, and antar - internal.

Ideally the divya performs no external ritual as such - or rather, all actions are inherently ritualized, the divya draws no substantial distinction between the external - brahmanda, and the internal - pindanda.

The 5 M's are the first 5 chakras - the mahabhutas and their corollary indriyas and tanmatras, and thus constitute the basic oblation. Each element is dissolved into the net by the agni-tejas of kundalini (categorically different than the agni-tattva).

There are many explanations beyond that as well. I gave one above for mudra. Mudra also consists of the internal seals one places upon the nadis so that energy does not flow through them except to merge into the sushumna.

Madya is the divine nectar which flows from the union of Shiva and Shakti, kula and akula (kaula) - the inherent presence of Kundalini in the Sahasrara, realized through its rising to the place it already holds. It is mahavidya, and it unstutters the inner speech, antarajapa. It is the intoxication of undifferentiation. It consists in bhuta shuddhi primarily of the deposition of amritasara through khecari.

Maithuna is that union, and is also the universal union of subject and object. Mere copulation is not maithuna in the tantric sense, and is worthless unless practiced with the idea that one's partner is the flesh of god, who gives access to the entirety of divine manifestation and consciousness through oneself.

Mamsa is the self-sacrifice of the various kayadhatus - constituents of the body, each in their respective altar - corresponding to the chakras, as well as the dedication of all actions as ritual. It is also the union of vakya and vakaka.

Matsya is the equilibrium of sun and moon, in the manner of a fish's tail going back and forth. It is therefore khumbaka - you will often see the matsya/kumbhaka link even in exoteric symbolism.


All of this is accomplished by reciting the agama-varnamala in reverse order (viloma) through the appropriate bija mantras - this spins the wheels of mother-letters (matrikas) to samhara (withdrawal). This varnamala is the heart of the kamakala as akatha.

 

[shivadas]

Gnostisism tantra and the left hand path all are all well and good. But really self identifying with the adversary and being all satanic is just dumb.

 

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[Bhairava]

Satan is ego.... Lucifer is the roman name for the god with in Jesus christ in gnotisism.
Hinduism teaches the inherent goodness of the spirit, and puts down materialism, lucifarian philosophy like Satanism is all materialism.
If one is lucifarian it wouldn't make a whole lot of sends to be Hindu, unless you blatenly steal yoga secrets and call it lucifarian, like joy of Satan does....
Spirituality is about goodness, and good things... don't waste your time, just be Hindu... if you are really into dark **** just be an aghori, but Satanism and lucifarianism are a joke.

this all day this

What he said. Yeah bro be an Aghori or a Kapalika like me.