I would not be doing apachAra of putting jagadguru like Ramanuja and
isckon promoted apramanik chaitanya in the same line for starters.
2nd I am talking about vedic yajnas, seems like you totally got me on wrong foot here.
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[Hindus Only] Question for Hindus
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isckon promoted apramanik chaitanya in the same line for starters.
2nd I am talking about vedic yajnas, seems like you totally got me on wrong foot here.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Kalyan ji , ...
OH Krsna , ...if you will persist in this manner l will do as you say , .... I will look up Arya , ....
आर्य Arya .... . adj. gentleman-like
आर्य Arya ......adj. favourable to the Aryan people
अर्य arya ....... adj. dear
अर्य arya ........adj. kind
आर्य Arya ....... adj. worthy of one
आर्य Arya .......adj. polite
आर्य Arya .......adj. honourable
आर्य Arya .......adj. noble
अर्य arya ........adj. excellent
अर्य arya ........adj. favourable
अर्य arya .........adj. true
आर्य Arya .......adj. courteous
आर्य Arya ....... adj. respectable
आर्य Arya ....... adj. Aryan
अर्य arya ...... ..adj. attached to
आर्य Arya .......adj. worthy
आर्य Arya ....... adj. suitable
आर्य Arya .......adj. honorable
आर्य Arya ........adj. excellent
आर्य Arya ....... adj. behaving like an Aryan
अर्य arya .........adj. devoted
आर्य Arya ........adj. wise
आर्य Arya ....m. son of manu sAvarNa
आर्य Arya ....m. Buddhist priest
आर्य Arya ....m. master
आर्य Arya ... m. gentleman
आर्य Arya ....m. vaizya
आर्य Arya ... m. friend
आर्य Arya ....m. one who is faithful to the religion of his country
and from this exercise I have learnt that my Guru ji has taught me well , and that Arya as I had used it does exactly mean ...Aryan , ....as in a person who is , ...Worthy , Honorable , Noble , ...Devoted , ...Wise , ...
, ..continued due to length , ...
OH Krsna , ...if you will persist in this manner l will do as you say , .... I will look up Arya , ....
आर्य Arya .... . adj. gentleman-like
आर्य Arya ......adj. favourable to the Aryan people
अर्य arya ....... adj. dear
अर्य arya ........adj. kind
आर्य Arya ....... adj. worthy of one
आर्य Arya .......adj. polite
आर्य Arya .......adj. honourable
आर्य Arya .......adj. noble
अर्य arya ........adj. excellent
अर्य arya ........adj. favourable
अर्य arya .........adj. true
आर्य Arya .......adj. courteous
आर्य Arya ....... adj. respectable
आर्य Arya ....... adj. Aryan
अर्य arya ...... ..adj. attached to
आर्य Arya .......adj. worthy
आर्य Arya ....... adj. suitable
आर्य Arya .......adj. honorable
आर्य Arya ........adj. excellent
आर्य Arya ....... adj. behaving like an Aryan
अर्य arya .........adj. devoted
आर्य Arya ........adj. wise
आर्य Arya ....m. son of manu sAvarNa
आर्य Arya ....m. Buddhist priest
आर्य Arya ....m. master
आर्य Arya ... m. gentleman
आर्य Arya ....m. vaizya
आर्य Arya ... m. friend
आर्य Arya ....m. one who is faithful to the religion of his country
and from this exercise I have learnt that my Guru ji has taught me well , and that Arya as I had used it does exactly mean ...Aryan , ....as in a person who is , ...Worthy , Honorable , Noble , ...Devoted , ...Wise , ...
, ..continued due to length , ...
ratikala
Istha gosthi
who said was a Jati ? , .... yes yes this is exactly as l said ''there are rishis (aryas) everywhere in the land of bhAratha,'' , ..this is why l showed you the map of Bharat Varsha and used the examole of the Zorastrians migrating in to modern day ilndia they are them selve Aryans , ....Devoted people , ....Noble , ...Respectable and faithfull to the religion of theit Country Bharat Varsha , ....what to say of other migrations , ..what happened to the peoples of the Saraswati River basin did they not have to migrate due to the drying up of the river , did they not have to migrate further to the east ?
No prabhu ji it is not amusing , ..what you are actualy talking about is the effects of Kali Yuga , ...people in general have become more materialy minded , ..we did not give you this sickness , ..it exists all over this earth planet , ..it is as it was predicted that it would be , ...as we all know the British like the Dutch the Portugese the ltalians etc came for trade , ..and before this many others came for trade and lndian merchants were happy to trade , .....and let me make it quite clear that l do not condone any malpractice done by any nation against any other , but what I do think is important is that we look to the future so that it never happens again , ...this can only be done by doing as Sri Krsna prescribes and treating all as dear to lord Hari , ...
I am not here to discuss politics or history , ..I am here to discuss religion , ...and to Glorify the Govinda , ..to do my duty both to My Guru and to Goranga by where possible promoting the love of God the supreme person Sri Krsna
So now Prabhu ji may we please have a polite and worthwhile discussion about something constructive ??
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Nitai Das ji is more than just an ISKCON devotee. He belongs to the Nitai Sampradaya. This is a normal progression. First Krishna, Then Gauranga, then Nitai, and I do not know who in future.
It is like Moses in Judaism, Jesus in Christianity, Mohammad in Islam and Bahaullah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Joseph Smith in Bahai, Ahmadiyya and Mormon sects. New prophets, new myths, each claiming authenticity.
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निताइ dasa
Nitai's servant's servant
I am part of the Gaudiya Sampradaya actually, and happy to remain under the Lotus shelter of Sri Gaura-Nitai and Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and therefore I would not dare say anything which contradicts their teachings.
U answered it own q
so again why talk about migration....so when rishis existed all over why talk about migration? IllogicalLol British came for trade? U seem to have nice English teacher
how about no? and for profit? terese, profit is something that you get when you invest. British literally raped india and left when they dried all the resources. Bharat was the richest nation in the world even after 800 years of islamic rule, but when the british came they completely made india one of the poorest....the loot amounts to trillions of dollars. The sadistic britishers of the then time might be still rotting in the hell! even after independence, nehru was controlled by a honey pot edwina mountbatten,
You're right. I'm sorry. Clearly the EIC did not care for the population, but when I mean profit, I mean financial gain. And India was considered a jewel. But they didn't just completely take. They created railroads, and English translations of scriptures were made. But I fully see your point.
To hell with their railroads, what they did is for themselves to loot more and that is their main agenda, same with the translations....There were no major inventions anywhere in europe or in any country until they made contact with Bharat, Entire numeral system, trigonometry, geometry , calculus (yes newton stole it, it was use in kerala 250 years before he claimed to invented it) , medicine (Sushruta) , astronomy(aryabhatta), fibonacci series and binary numbers that we use in PCs were stolen from pingala works and attributed to western names, pythogoras theorem was straight lifted from sulbha shastras, I can go on....but do we find indian names anywhere in the internet ? nope...! Only greatest scientiest that europe has produced is Nikolai Tesla, he was divine..The one thing britishers failed to steal is the knowledge of Vedam, it is still intact and will remain intact....anyway I would not like to proceed on this discussion
So, arya, of scripture has nothing to do with migration theories etc.
I am not saying anything in favour or against the so called Aryan migration theory. I am pointing that there is some intentional trashing of vedic terms by conflating 'arya' with 'race', ''kalpa timelines' with 'Cretaceous time, 'soma' with 'entheogen', 'advaita' with monistic naturalism/materialism etc. etc.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is true, Kalyan. The land where Aryans lived extended far beyond what we normally considered the extent of Ancient Bharata, i.e., Himalayas, and the mountains West of River Indus, which forms the Afghan/Pakistan boundary. Kabul and the plains of Charikar were the exceptions. The Hindu influence was stronger in these areas.
As for the territory of Aryans (I would not say ruled by, but where the culture, mythology and language of this group existed) extended into Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kirghistan and Kazakhstan. Some of the older RigVedic hymns were written there or were remembered from an even earlier age. All the cultures mentioned in the image (e.g., Afanasevo and many others) are of Indo-Iranian Aryans. The Zoroastrians were among them (in Bactria). In the West, it was the Western Branch of the Indo-Europeans, the Srubna, Yamna cultures and many others. Nearly the whole world accepts this. Vishnye was the supreme God of Serbs also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Kalyan Ji
I was merely pointing out to you that what is mistaken for an Aryan Migration of an outside people into Modern day India , was actualy migration of Aryan peoples from within the continent of Bharat Vasha into the area now known as India , ....you seem to object to this Idea earlier ?
what l am saying is that there is no need for you to constantly attack other people , ..or to make derogetory remarks about other peoples traditions or their ability to understand , .....
I am not here to answer my own questions, I am simply raising pionts for discussion , ...
it is sad that you do not actualy answer questions that are put to you , .....
Do you accept that Bharat Varsha covered a far greater area or not ?
U answered it own q
I was merely pointing out to you that what is mistaken for an Aryan Migration of an outside people into Modern day India , was actualy migration of Aryan peoples from within the continent of Bharat Vasha into the area now known as India , ....you seem to object to this Idea earlier ?
what l am saying is that there is no need for you to constantly attack other people , ..or to make derogetory remarks about other peoples traditions or their ability to understand , .....
I am not here to answer my own questions, I am simply raising pionts for discussion , ...
it is sad that you do not actualy answer questions that are put to you , .....
Do you accept that Bharat Varsha covered a far greater area or not ?
ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Aupmanyav ji
l am glad that Nitai Dasa has allready answersd this by saying that he is Gaudiya Sampradaya , ....this whole lumping all Gaudiyas under ISKCON is becoming a bit of a problem , ...as you know there are many branches with in the Gaudiya Sampradaya and each due to the devotional nature of Gaudiya Vaisnavism naturaly displays their Gratitude to the sugnificant teachers within their own liniage , ....
it is not however that we seek to make a seperate religion by venerating each of the above mentioned expansions of the supreme we are simply showing our deepest gratitude for their mercy , ....
there are some present who do not accept Lord Chaitanya to be an expansion of Krsna therefore they canot accept that Nityananda is the Plenary expansion of Sri Krsna Chaitanya , ...or that they are Visnu Tattva likewise Srimati Radharani is an expansion of Krsna who are one not two as our material minds might mistakenly perceive , ..in this way we are not worshiping any other than Sri Krsna , it is simply that we show our gratitude to which so ever form we have the good fortune to receive instruction or blessing from , ....in much the same way that in material life we pay our upmost respects to our own mothers , but that does not inturn create a new family , we also respect the seniors and the ancestors of our own parental liniage , ....
others may wish to differ and to hold their own oppinions but as far as I am concerned .... No , ....it is not like moses , Jesus etc , ...as we do not beleive in Prophets , or Myths , ....
nor should we even need to Claim authenticity , ..it is only in this sadly degenerate age of quarel that our liniages are so frequently questioned , ..this sadens me greatly , ...I do not understand the need for some to constantly make attempts to undermine the traditions of others , this merely shows either a great lack of respect or a level of insecurity
and understanding , .....
l am glad that Nitai Dasa has allready answersd this by saying that he is Gaudiya Sampradaya , ....this whole lumping all Gaudiyas under ISKCON is becoming a bit of a problem , ...as you know there are many branches with in the Gaudiya Sampradaya and each due to the devotional nature of Gaudiya Vaisnavism naturaly displays their Gratitude to the sugnificant teachers within their own liniage , ....
it is not however that we seek to make a seperate religion by venerating each of the above mentioned expansions of the supreme we are simply showing our deepest gratitude for their mercy , ....
there are some present who do not accept Lord Chaitanya to be an expansion of Krsna therefore they canot accept that Nityananda is the Plenary expansion of Sri Krsna Chaitanya , ...or that they are Visnu Tattva likewise Srimati Radharani is an expansion of Krsna who are one not two as our material minds might mistakenly perceive , ..in this way we are not worshiping any other than Sri Krsna , it is simply that we show our gratitude to which so ever form we have the good fortune to receive instruction or blessing from , ....in much the same way that in material life we pay our upmost respects to our own mothers , but that does not inturn create a new family , we also respect the seniors and the ancestors of our own parental liniage , ....
others may wish to differ and to hold their own oppinions but as far as I am concerned .... No , ....it is not like moses , Jesus etc , ...as we do not beleive in Prophets , or Myths , ....
nor should we even need to Claim authenticity , ..it is only in this sadly degenerate age of quarel that our liniages are so frequently questioned , ..this sadens me greatly , ...I do not understand the need for some to constantly make attempts to undermine the traditions of others , this merely shows either a great lack of respect or a level of insecurity
and understanding , .....
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Atanu ji
there is no intent on my part to trash any thing least alone vedic terms , ...from my side I see no need to equate Arya with Race , far from it I was allways taught that it refered to those that were both noble and learned , ...
infact I have no liking for trashing anything , ..acept when as it semminly more frequently occurs here ones own tradition is attacked and ridiculed , in which case all I would choose to trash is the ignorance which causes such dissrespect , ...
Nor either do l say any thing For or Against Aryan Migration theories , ...I simply do not understand why such theories are so offensive as to cause one to insult another , ...what l am saying is let us examine who the Arya were before we make sweeping generalisations , ....
there is no intent on my part to trash any thing least alone vedic terms , ...from my side I see no need to equate Arya with Race , far from it I was allways taught that it refered to those that were both noble and learned , ...
infact I have no liking for trashing anything , ..acept when as it semminly more frequently occurs here ones own tradition is attacked and ridiculed , in which case all I would choose to trash is the ignorance which causes such dissrespect , ...
Nor either do l say any thing For or Against Aryan Migration theories , ...I simply do not understand why such theories are so offensive as to cause one to insult another , ...what l am saying is let us examine who the Arya were before we make sweeping generalisations , ....