[Hindus Only] Question for Hindus

[ratikala]

namaskaram Nitai dasa ji

Hari Hari! Nitai Gaura Haribol!

Jai jai , ....Nitai Gaura Haribol , ....

(Sri Hari said): "I always exist in the heart of the Sadhu's and therefore they always exist in My heart. Because they do not recognise anyone other than Me, I do not recognise anyone other than them"

jai jai , ...

The Lord is controlled by His devotees. In Vrndavana, whatever the Gopis say, Krsna is forced to do. In the Damodara Lila Yashoda Maa sometimes catches Krsna and binds Him to a mortar pot. Though Sri Krsna is crying and angry and wants to escape He cannot, because the rope which binds Him is not any ordinary rope, but the Love of Yashoda Maa.

this is becoming predictable , ..But , ...Yashodha Mata Ki Jai , ...

Nitai Gaur Haribol! Kalyanji is simply trying to rile us up, I mean we have already given him all the evidence for our position, and if he still doesn't want to accept then it is up to him

No , no , ......he is doing me the best of favors not only does he give me the oppertunity to glorify Sri Ramanujacharya He gives me reason to recall the words spoken by Sri Bhagavan on the Battlefeild of Kurukshetra , ...also he gives me the oppertunity to , ..practice equanimity , .....which of course is pleasing to lord Hari , ....

​

samah satrau ca mitre ca
tatha manapamanayoh
sitosna-sukha-duhkhesu
samah sanga-vivarjitah
tulya-ninda-stutir mauni
santusto yena kenacit
aniketah sthira-matir
bhaktiman me priyo narah

One who is equal to friends and enemies, who is equiposed in honor and dishonor, heat and cold, happiness and distress, fame and infamy, who is always free from contamination, always silent and satisfied with anything, who doesn't care for any residence, who is fixed in knowledge and engaged in devotional service, is very dear to Me.​

B.G, ...CH ..12 V ..18-19

 

[निताइ dasa]

namaskaram Nitai dasa ji


Jai jai , ....Nitai Gaura Haribol , ....





jai jai , ...



this is becoming predictable , ..But , ...Yashodha Mata Ki Jai , ...




No , no , ......he is doing me the best of favors not only does he give me the oppertunity to glorify Sri Ramanujacharya He gives me reason to recall the words spoken by Sri Bhagavan on the Battlefeild of Kurukshetra , ...also he gives me the oppertunity to , ..practice equanimity , .....which of course is pleasing to lord Hari , ....

​

samah satrau ca mitre ca
tatha manapamanayoh
sitosna-sukha-duhkhesu
samah sanga-vivarjitah
tulya-ninda-stutir mauni
santusto yena kenacit
aniketah sthira-matir
bhaktiman me priyo narah

One who is equal to friends and enemies, who is equiposed in honor and dishonor, heat and cold, happiness and distress, fame and infamy, who is always free from contamination, always silent and satisfied with anything, who doesn't care for any residence, who is fixed in knowledge and engaged in devotional service, is very dear to Me.​

B.G, ...CH ..12 V ..18-19

Nitai! You are too calm mataji, everyone should learn behaviour from you

 

[ratikala]

Ok first thing, ....we chould Chant , ...nicely ,...

.....then we go on harinama, ....

all welcome

 

[Aupmanyav]

https://www.google.co.in/webhp?sour...vind+bolo+hari+gopal+bolo&newwindow=1&tbm=vid

 

[kalyan]

namaskaram Kalyan ji



May I refer you back to the conversations we had recently where upon I produced letters from various Renown Swamis in the Madhava liniaege saying that they accept Gaudiya Vaisnavism as a flowering of the Madhava Sampradaya , ...

this being so you have No right nor position to make any acusations of falsity aganst another Legitimate Sampradaya , ...

I think instead of trying to hide the facts, we should face the facts in my opinion and remove our darkness. .There is no character Radha anywhere and no mention of any golokas in the vedam. So chaitanya whose history is based on the non-real character to begin with should be either fake or he is a charlatan to begin with ! I am just going by logic. If anyone wants to even visit chaitanyas works to assess him, there is absolutely NOTHING except for one 8 verse or so poem. I am calling it Isckon created this character called chaitanya and that is why we don't find the mention of him as quoted by any other poorva acharyas from either dvaita, advaita or visista-advaita siddhantas

 

[kalyan]

In a way Krishna made me an atheist by including 'advaita' verses in Srimad BhagadGita.

aupji, there are no advaitic verses in BG, stop posting your POV as Fact! as you are an atheist you should stop the blasphemy of quoting from scriptures in the first place.

 

[निताइ dasa]

I think instead of trying to hide the facts, we should face the facts in my opinion and remove our darkness. .There is no character Radha anywhere and no mention of any golokas in the vedam. So chaitanya whose history is based on the non-real character to begin with should be either fake or he is a charlatan to begin with ! I am just going by logic. If anyone wants to even visit chaitanyas works to assess him, there is absolutely NOTHING except for one 8 verse or so poem. I am calling it Isckon created this character called chaitanya and that is why we don't find the mention of him as quoted by any other poorva acharyas from either dvaita, advaita or visista-advaita siddhantas

*facepalm*

I will private message you about this as I don't wanna steer this thread in the wrong direction.

 

[kalyan]

*facepalm*

I will private message you about this as I don't wanna steer this thread in the wrong direction.

nitai dasa i have nothing against you but the facts need to be faced....Chaitanya is most recent creation and as his ideology revolves around rAdha who is non real, he has to be non real or charlatan..it does not take a tesla to figure this out

 

[Chakra]

nitai dasa i have nothing against you but the facts need to be faced....Chaitanya is most recent creation and as his ideology revolves around rAdha who is non real, he has to be non real or charlatan..it does not take a tesla to figure this out

Kalyan, did you not see my post about Vedanta Desika??

The pramana is in the Yadavabhyudaya of Sri Vedanta desikan:

devaki danuja sthuna divyam Diana vrajankanam rama radhadhayscheti rashi bhedaihi na bhidyase

Meaning: There is no difference in the (states of) the Lord associated with Lakshmi (Ramaa), Radha or other consorts, or as being born as the Son of Devaki or being born from the Pillar as Narasimha, or living in Vaikunta or Vrindavan.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Kalyan ji ,

The organizations like Isckon needs to be banned for falsifying and programming people mind by creating false gaudiya guru lineagea and promoting false and creating characters

Prabhu ji

please listen to this beautiful Kirtan and tell me what are they 'Iskcon' are programing into the minds of their devotees except love of Sri Krsna , .......

here prabhu ji , is the fruits of the programing of peoples minds Tell me please why this should be banned ? ....

Bollo Bollo , ....Hare Krsna , ....

I think instead of trying to hide the facts, we should face the facts in my opinion and remove our darkness. .There is no character Radha anywhere and no mention of any golokas in the vedam. So chaitanya whose history is based on the non-real character to begin with should be either fake or he is a charlatan to begin with ! I am just going by logic. If anyone wants to even visit chaitanyas works to assess him, there is absolutely NOTHING except for one 8 verse or so poem. I am calling it Isckon created this character called chaitanya and that is why we don't find the mention of him as quoted by any other poorva acharyas from either dvaita, advaita or visista-advaita siddhantas

Prabhu ji , ......you will never find nor understand the Supreme Lord or understand the nature of his manifestations whilst you continue to use material logic , .....

I am calling it Isckon created this character called chaitanya and that is why we don't find the mention of him as quoted by any other poorva acharyas from either dvaita, advaita or visista-advaita siddhantas

we are Brahma Madhava Gaudiya Sampradaya , .....As I have ralready told you if Madhava Swamis Accknowledge us as a Genuine Sampradaya , ..this leaves you with no ground to stand upon , ...
....please explain how Srila Prabhupada the Founder of Iskcon could have invented the person of Lord Chaitanya when he was born into a Liniage of Gurus who revered and handed down theComentaries and teachings of the Six Goswamis (direct decendants of Sri Chaitanya) , born some centuries before Srila Prabhupada's birth , ....

Prabhu ji , ..you are rambling and repeating the same senceless ill thought out noncence , ....

please if you wish to converse on devotional topics , it would be better if you saved your Material Logic for mundane activities , ....

l will none the less allways be your well wisher , ...

Adiyen

Ratikala

 

[kalyan]

namaskaram Kalyan ji ,



Prabhu ji

please listen to this beautiful Kirtan and tell me what are they 'Iskcon' are programing into the minds of their devotees except love of Sri Krsna , .......

here prabhu ji , is the fruits of the programing of peoples minds Tell me please why this should be banned ? ....

Bollo Bollo , ....Hare Krsna , ....




Prabhu ji , ......you will never find nor understand the Supreme Lord or understand the nature of his manifestations whilst you continue to use material logic , .....



we are Brahma Madhava Gaudiya Sampradaya , .....As I have ralready told you if Madhava Swamis Accknowledge us as a Genuine Sampradaya , ..this leaves you with no ground to stand upon , ...
....please explain how Srila Prabhupada the Founder of Iskcon could have invented the person of Lord Chaitanya when he was born into a Liniage of Gurus who revered and handed down theComentaries and teachings of the Six Goswamis (direct decendants of Sri Chaitanya) , born some centuries before Srila Prabhupada's birth , ....

Prabhu ji , ..you are rambling and repeating the same senceless ill thought out noncence , ....

please if you wish to converse on devotional topics , it would be better if you saved your Material Logic for mundane activities , ....

l will none the less allways be your well wisher , ...

Adiyen

Ratikala

Prabhupada version of bg has many holes to start with. .for example refer his bg commentary on karma yoga and his definition of yagna...absurd...can u put out meaning of word yagna referred by ur prabhupada

 

[Aupmanyav]

In simple language 'both, those who worship the manifest and those who worship the unmanifest are at fault'. Perhaps worship is the fault. - spoken like a good atheist. If it was not for worship, the world would have been much happier.

 

[Chakra]

Yes, difference of opinions is the reason why people are so unhappy .

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes, non-acceptance of difference of opinion is the reason why people are so unhappy (all over the world).

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Prabhu ji's Aupmanvav ji , Chakra ji

Yes, difference of opinions is the reason why people are so unhappy .

true ahamkara is much to blame for the unhappiness of the world , but the true culprit is lgnorance , ..those who are in knowledge of the supreme see Krsna in the Heart of all beings , therefore there is no ahamkara , no false sence of self who is having to have these opinions , and no anger which then becomes the cause of much of mankinds unhappiness , .....

In simple language 'both, those who worship the manifest and those who worship the unmanifest are at fault'. Perhaps worship is the fault. - spoken like a good atheist. If it was not for worship, the world would have been much happier.

where can there be Fault in true knowledge ?

the fault is in the holding of impartial knowlwdge , but due to ones Ahamkara thinking that one is in full knowledge , ...

one who is in full knowledge naturaly worships the supreme , but also he worships the supreme in all beings , thus there is no fault in such a devotee as he follows strictly the laws in relation to material nature , ...

Perhaps worship is the fault. - spoken like a good atheist. If it was not for worship, the world would have been much happier.

where there is fault in worship , it is where one worships for ones material benifit , ...or where one uses ones religion to glorify ones own inteligence , ...where upon one uses knowledge and religion as ones own personal adornment , ...in which case the sadhaka merely fools himself into beleiving that he has any devotion , instead he clings to religion or tradition to bolster his own ego , ....this is not devotion , ....this is not worship

Yes, non-acceptance of difference of opinion is the reason why people are so unhappy (all over the world).

then of course there is also material greed , ....

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Kalyan ji ,

Prabhupada version of bg has many holes to start with. .for example refer his bg commentary on karma yoga and his definition of yagna...absurd...can u put out meaning of word yagna referred by ur prabhupada

if you wish to discuss individual sections of his translations , ...please give Chapter and verse with comparison Chapter and from your own more favored translation then we can compare and discuss , .....

it would be better to take each greavance one by one rather than making vague reference to multiple faults in someones translation , ....

 

[kalyan]

namaskaram Kalyan ji ,



if you wish to discuss individual sections of his translations , ...please give Chapter and verse with comparison Chapter and from your own more favored translation then we can compare and discuss , .....

it would be better to take each greavance one by one rather than making vague reference to multiple faults in someones translation , ....

please refer his meaning of yagna all over , in karma yoga chapter and in 6th chapter where ever Sri Krushna the sAkshAt bhagawAn refers yagna..your prabhupada confuses yagna as in yagna that brahmins perform(well that is one) but thats not what Sri Krushna refers in the chapters karma yoga or 6th chapter(annat bhavanti bhootani sloka)

 

[निताइ dasa]

please refer his meaning of yagna all over , in karma yoga chapter and in 6th chapter where ever Sri Krushna the sAkshAt bhagawAn refers yagna..your prabhupada confuses yagna as in yagna that brahmins perform(well that is one) but thats not what Sri Krushna refers in the chapters karma yoga or 6th chapter(annat bhavanti bhootani sloka)

No he translates that yagna as sacrifice lol

 

[kalyan]

No he translates that yagna as sacrafice lol

hmm?

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram , ..

please refer his meaning of yagna all over , in karma yoga chapter and in 6th chapter where ever Sri Krushna the sAkshAt bhagawAn refers yagna..your prabhupada confuses yagna as in yagna that brahmins perform(well that is one) but thats not what Sri Krushna refers in the chapters karma yoga or 6th chapter(annat bhavanti bhootani sloka)

please post Chapter and verse of your own transtation with comentary then later I can compare, ....I will return to this this evening but now l have to go out , ....