History of Aryans according to B. G. Tilak

[Aupmanyav]

10000 or 8000 B.C. — The destruction of the original Arctic home by the last ice-age and the commencement of the post-Glacial period.

8000–5000 B.C. — The age of migration from the original home. The survivors of the Aryan race roamed over the northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of lands suitable for new settlements. The vernal equinox was then in the constellation of Punarvasû (Castor and Pollux), and as Aditi is the presiding deity of Punarvasû, according to the terminology adopted by me in Orion, this may, therefore, be called the Aditi or the Pre-Orion Period.

5000–3000 B.C. — The Orion Period, when the vernal equinox was in Orion. Many Vedic hymns can be traced to the early part of this period and the bards of the race, seem to have not yet forgotten the real import or significance of the traditions of the Arctic home inherited by them. It was at this time that first attempts to reform the calendar and the sacrificial system appear to have been systematically made.

3000–1400 B.C. — The Kṛittikâ Period, when the vernal equinox was in Pleiades. The Taittirîya Samhitâ and the Brâhmanas, which begin the series of nakshatras with the Kṛittikâs, are evidently the productions of this period. The compilation of the hymns into Samhitâ’s also appears to be a work of the early part of this period. The traditions about the original Arctic home had grown dim by this time and very often misunderstood, making the Vedic hymns more and more unintelligible. The sacrificial system and the numerous details thereof found in the Brâhmanas seem to have been developed during this, time. It was at the end of this period that the Vedângajyotisha (Vedic Astronomy) was originally composed, or at any rate the position of the equinoxes mentioned therein observed and ascertained.

1400–500 B.C. — The Pre-Buddhist Period, when the Sûtras and the Philosophical systems made their appearance.
"Arctic Home in Vedas" B. G. Tilak

 

[paarsurrey]

10000 or 8000 B.C. — The destruction of the original Arctic home by the last ice-age and the commencement of the post-Glacial period.

8000–5000 B.C. — The age of migration from the original home. The survivors of the Aryan race roamed over the northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of lands suitable for new settlements. The vernal equinox was then in the constellation of Punarvasû, and as Aditi is the presiding deity of Punarvasû, according to the terminology adopted by me in Orion, this may, therefore, be called the Aditi or the Pre-Orion Period.

5000–3000 B.C. — The Orion Period, when the vernal equinox was in Orion. Many Vedic hymns can be traced to the early part of this period and the bards of the race, seem to have not yet forgotten the real import or significance of the traditions of the Arctic home inherited by them. It was at this time that first attempts to reform the calendar and the sacrificial system appear to have been systematically made.

3000–1400 B.C. — The Kṛittikâ Period, when the vernal equinox was in Pleiades. The Taittirîya Samhitâ and the Brâhmanas, which begin the series of nakshatras with the Kṛittikâs, are evidently the productions of this period. The compilation of the hymns into Samhitâ’s also appears to be a work of the early part of this period. The traditions about the original Arctic home had grown dim by this time and very often misunderstood, making the Vedic hymns more and more unintelligible. The sacrificial system and the numerous details thereof found in the Brâhmanas seem to have been developed during this, time. It was at the end of this period that the Vedângajyotisha was originally composed, or at any rate the position of the equinoxes mentioned therein observed and ascertained.

1400–500 B.C. — The Pre-Buddhistic Period, when the Sûtras and the Philosophical systems made their appearance.
"Arctic Home in Vedas" B. G. Tilak

The sources of the above, please.
Regards

 

[Kirran]

Aup has given it, right there at the bottom of the post. He is deriving this from BG Tilak's book "Arctic Home in the Vedas", which postulates a rather fringe theory regarding the origins of the speakers of the prototype of the Indo-Aryan languages.

 

[paarsurrey]

Aup has given it, right there at the bottom of the post. He is deriving this from BG Tilak's book "Arctic Home in the Vedas", which postulates a rather fringe theory regarding the origins of the speakers of the prototype of the Indo-Aryan languages.

I meant the source B. G. Tilak has given for the information quoted in the post.
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is the research of B. G. Tilak in his two books "Orion or the Researches into the Antiquity of Vedas" and "Arctic Home in Vedas".For anyone interested, these books will be very interesting. They are both available on internet at https://archive.org/ and can be downloaded in PDF format. Bal Gangadhar Tilak was Mahatma Gandhi's mentor.
https://archive.org/stream/TheArcti...nya-TheArcticHomeInTheVedas1903470P._djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/orionortheantiqu021979mbp/orionortheantiqu021979mbp_djvu.txt

Here is the image of the two pages on which it appears:

 

[paarsurrey]

Quoting from the “THE ARCTIC HOME IN THE VEDAS” page-1

"But in either case the historic period, the oldest limit of which may be taken to be 5000 or 6000 B.C., is preceded by a period of myths and traditions; and as these were the only materials available for the study of prehistoric man up to the middle of the nineteenth century, various attempts were made to systematize these myths, to explain them rationally and see if they shed any light on the early history of man. But as observed by Prof. Max Müller, “it was felt by all unprejudiced scholars that none of these systems of interpretation was in the least satisfactory.”​

Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Quoting from the “THE ARCTIC HOME IN THE VEDAS” page-1

"But in either case the historic period, the oldest limit of which may be taken to be 5000 or 6000 B.C., is preceded by a period of myths and traditions; and as these were the only materials available for the study of prehistoric man up to the middle of the nineteenth century, various attempts were made to systematize these myths, to explain them rationally and see if they shed any light on the early history of man. But as observed by Prof. Max Müller, “it was felt by all unprejudiced scholars that none of these systems of interpretation was in the least satisfactory.”​

Perhaps you missed the underlined. There have been researches after the middle of the nineteenth century and new findings, in Archaeology, History, Geography, Geology, Paleontology, Genetics, Linguistics, etc. Regards.​

 

[Kirran]

What date do you think is about right for the writing-down of the Vedas Aup?

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is not one date when Archangel Gabriel came and whispered in someone's ear. It is like dream-time poems passed on from one generation to the next. Some may belong to pre-glacial times, most from the Orion times (5,000-3,000 BC), some from even later times (parts of Book 1 and 10 of RigVeda, YajurVeda and AtharvaVeda). It may be noted that the RigVeda hymns have not been put chronologically, but according to families of seers. Mine (according to accepted genealogy), that of the Vasishthas, in Book 7 of RigVeda. The Aranyakas, Brahmanas, and Upanishads belong to later times. The Wikipedia articles on Vedas give good information.

 

[Kirran]

It is not one date when Archangel Gabriel came and whispered in someone's ear. It is like dream-time poems passed on from one generation to the next. Some may belong to pre-glacial times, most from the Orion times (5,000-3,000 BC), some from even later times (parts of Book 1 and 10 of RigVeda, YajurVeda and AtharvaVeda). It may be noted that the RigVeda hymns have not been put chronologically, but according to families of seers. Mine (according to accepted genealogy), that of the Vasishthas, in Book 7 of RigVeda. The Aranyakas, Brahmanas, and Upanishads belong to later times. The Wikipedia articles on Vedas give good information.

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That seems reasonable enough. But I suppose it is hard to know, especially as we get deep back in time.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is true. Vedas do not have a reference to deluge by snow, but the Zoroastrian Vendidad, their version of RigVeda, has it. That, the reference to Aditi with seven sons and the eighth born undeveloped, and the reference to a month-long dawn, or their remembrance, I think, are the oldest verses of RigVeda..

 

[Vedic]

i guess u don't know aryan migration theory my friend.
they migrated from present day Rusia and Ukraine.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And where did they come from in Russia and Ukraine? I will also like to point out that there are no major geographical impediments between these areas and the sub-Arctic region. Mostly a flat plain. Urals are not much of a mountain and secondly they run North/South (not East/West like Hindukush and Himalayas to be an impediment in North to South movement. It is more or less a picnic walk. You can hardly even notice Urals on the map.

 

[Kirran]

Vedic, Aup is well aware that the idea of the Indo-Aryan people coming out of the Arctic is a minority view

As a scholarly historical matter, I ascribe to a more mainstream understanding.

 

[Chakra]

It was the Black Sea, right?
Are there any other Aryan groups in history that we know of? I think the Hittites were an Aryan group.

 

[Kirran]

It was the Black Sea, right?
Are there any other Aryan groups in history that we know of? I think the Hittites were an Aryan group.

We're not 100%, but it seems to be north of the Black Sea kind of area. Although it remains possible that it was more the Caucasus area (Georgia, Armenia) or even Anatolia.

Other groups? Well, a brief sampling roughly from West to East - the Argentines, the Haitians, the Irish, the Belgians, the Polish, the Tajiks, the Punjabis, the Bengalis and the Sinhalese

 

[Kirran]

Also, having checked: yes, Hittite languages were Indo-European! Main ones were Hittite (aka Nesite) and Luwian. Hittite is the oldest attested Indo-European language. Sweet.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You see, the first Aryan stop (or of Aryan culture, language and religion) was North of the mountains, right from the land of Celts to the land of Tocharians. In the second expansion, they traveled over the mountains to India (Panchajanas), Iran (Medes, Magi, Maghavan brahmins), Assyria (Mittani), Balkans and Greece (Ionians) and even to Egypt (Hyksos, Hitti), sometimes in peace, other times with warfare. That is Tilak's and Aupmanyav's theory.

"The original source for different words used to call the Median people, their language and homeland is a directly transmitted Old Iranian geographical name which is attested as the Old Persian "Māda-" (sing. masc.). The meaning of this word is not precisely established. The linguist W. Skalmowski proposes a relation with the proto-Indo European word "med(h)-" meaning "central, suited in the middle" by referring to Old Indic "madhya-" and Old Iranian "maidiia-" both carrying the same meaning and having descendants including Latin medium, Greek méso, and German mittel."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes#Etymology

I am not surprised. There were Aryan tribes both to the East and West of Medians. An example is from todays India and Nepal, people living in the plains region of Nepal are known as Madhesias and their region is known as Madhes (Sanskrit - Madhya Desh).

 

[Vedic]

Also, having checked: yes, Hittite languages were Indo-European! Main ones were Hittite (aka Nesite) and Luwian. Hittite is the oldest attested Indo-European language. Sweet.

they were White huns who invaded india later AFAIK

 

[Vedic]

And where did they come from in Russia and Ukraine? I will also like to point out that there are no major geographical impediments between these areas and the sub-Arctic region. Mostly a flat plain. Urals are not much of a mountain and secondly they run North/South (not like East/West like Hindukush and Himalayas to be an impediment in North to South movement. It is more or less a picnic walk. You can hardly even notice Urals on the map.

nice point @Aupmanyav ji