Homeowners should shoot burglars to ‘save taxpayer’s money,’ Florida sheriff says

[Revoltingest]

The problem with our system is that convicts leave it even more hardened than when they entered. Partaking in racism, gangs, rape, etc. is practically a prerequisite for survival in prison.

Aye, it's a system designed to make people worse.

 

[Stevicus]

I favor prison over capital punishment.
But the homeowner faces a very different decision from
government, ie, deadly self defense vs fleeing vs inaction.

I'm not faulting the homeowner in this case. The homeowner ostensibly had reasonable cause to believe their life was in danger, and the sheriff said the homeowner didn't break any laws.

But the burglar is also a danger to himself, since he's engaging in behavior which could very easily get himself killed. To me, it's just incredibly foolish behavior, especially considering that a lot of homeowners are armed.

Some criminals are smart enough to wait until nobody is home. In other cases, they might be one gang targeting another gang's stash house and go in heavily armed and expecting armed resistance.

But this guy is just an idiot.

It's the criminal justice system...not the criminal improvement system.
(There's room for improvement.)

Doesn't seem like much justice or improvement is taking place.

 

[Sand Dancer]

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Should burglars be shot to save the taxpayers' money?

Not that it's any great surprise when police officers take such a casual and cavalier attitude towards shooting people.

What also struck me about this was that this alleged burglar had been arrested 17 times - a "frequent flyer," as they called him. It sounds like this guy needs some professional help. If he keeps this up and they keep letting him out to commit more burglaries, then he probably will end up getting shot someday.

Floriduh.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What also struck me about this was that this alleged burglar had been arrested 17 times - a "frequent flyer," as they called him.

Yeah...fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me; fool me 17 times and clearly the problem is entirely and squarely with you and not at all with me despite failing to see this isn't just going to work so someone playing vigilante executioner is the perfect way to solve this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Of course, sheriffs & homeowners can't address
those larger societal issues. They've the immediate
problem of a criminal threat to face.

17 times later and yes tue sheriffs very much need to work on this issue because they're missing things Hellen Keller would notice and failing this guy, society as a whole, and their duties as police.

 

[sun rise]

If anyone breaks my door down they should be shot - be they cops or criminals because there's little difference between them. Shoot first and ask questions later. Bang bang.

 

[Revoltingest]

17 times later and yes tue sheriffs very much need to work on this issue because they're missing things Hellen Keller would notice and failing this guy, society as a whole, and their duties as police.

I think the courts are playing a role in this
perp still being out & about on his crime spree.

 

[Secret Chief]

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Should burglars be shot to save the taxpayers' money?

Not that it's any great surprise when police officers take such a casual and cavalier attitude towards shooting people.

What also struck me about this was that this alleged burglar had been arrested 17 times - a "frequent flyer," as they called him. It sounds like this guy needs some professional help. If he keeps this up and they keep letting him out to commit more burglaries, then he probably will end up getting shot someday.

Save taxpayer's money? I thought the idea was to put them in prison to become a part of the lucrative enforced labour economy?

 

[Revoltingest]

Save taxpayer's money? I thought the idea was to put them in prison to become a part of the lucrative enforced labour economy?

There's nothing lucrative for the taxpayer.

 

[Secret Chief]

A lot of it is cultural, I think. Back in the days of the Old West, shooting the bad guy was the way things were done. That, and hangings. I've heard some people talk about wanting to bring back public hangings as a deterrent to crime.

Is there a good deal of evidence to show that capital punishment is an effective deterrent?

 

[Secret Chief]

There's nothing lucrative for the taxpayer.

Great for businesses though.

 

[Revoltingest]

Great for businesses though.

Not those of us paying taxes.
The real beneficiary is government, which greatly
expands its power, empire, & spending. And of
course this justifies raising taxes, which allows
expanding power, etc, etc.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the courts are playing a role in this
perp still being out & about on his crime spree.

The courts as well. He likely needs professional help if he's in and out of jail like this. But the sheriff apparently thinks it's an issue of morality and the problem best left to a vigilante rather than professional help. The courts are failing as well, and probably the State of Florida and America as a whole.
This just shouldn't happen. He needs psychiatric help, he needs skills development, he needs rehab, he needs something but clearly jail just isn't it and neither is a bullet.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is there a good deal of evidence to show that capital punishment is an effective deterrent?

No.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A lot of it is cultural, I think. Back in the days of the Old West, shooting the bad guy was the way things were done. That, and hangings. I've heard some people talk about wanting to bring back public hangings as a deterrent to crime.

There's more legend than truth in the collective knowledge of the Old West. Like all the guns blazing and shoot outs. It just wasn't like that.

 

[Revoltingest]

The courts as well. He likely needs professional help if he's in and out of jail like this. But the sheriff apparently thinks it's an issue of morality and the problem best left to a vigilante rather than professional help. The courts are failing as well, and probably the State of Florida and America as a whole.
This just shouldn't happen. He needs psychiatric help, he needs skills development, he needs rehab, he needs something but clearly jail just isn't it and neither is a bullet.

I speculate that we'd be better off spending much more
money on mental health services. This might not sound
"libertarian", but consider that the foundation of such a
society is the populace making rational & moral decisions.
I'm willing to trade some increased taxation for the result
of fewer malefactors abridging the rights of others.
This should be offset somewhat by reduced spending on
prisons, reduced losses due to theft, & reduced suffering
by victims of crime.
In short...this approach is less un-libertarian than the status quo.

 

[Secret Chief]

No.

I thought not.

 

[Secret Chief]

The real beneficiary is

"corporations seeking to outsource work to inmates. Corporations that utilize prison labor include Walmart, Eddie Bauer, Victoria's Secret, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonald's, Nintendo, Chevron Corporation, Bank of America, Koch Industries, Boeing and Costco Wholesale."

- Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia


These are jobs that are replacing the ones in society. Which leads to unemployment. Which can lead to....crime...

A perfect business model.

 

[Revoltingest]

"corporations seeking to outsource work to inmates.Corporations that utilize prison labor include Walmart, Eddie Bauer, Victoria's Secret, Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonald's, Nintendo, Chevron Corporation, Bank of America, Koch Industries, Boeing and Costco Wholesale."

- Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia


These are jobs that are replacing the ones in society. Which leads to unemployment. Which can lead to....

A perfect business model.

I'm not fond of that "business" model.
But until Dems & Pubs are willing to abandon their
model of law & order by way of massive imprisonment,
the status quo will endure.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It seems a very high-risk venture for very low return - unless someone knows that there's something valuable inside.

It's more to do with life and death situations and a failure to act can be far more tragic.

I'd at least go down fighting if it's going to be that way.

Of course my first hope would be the intruder sees the weapon and runs away. Then call the police.