Homophobia

[Argentbear]

I don't see how that changes anything that I've said. Let's say I'm homophobic,

Considering what you are posting i don't think anyone will have trouble believing you are a homophobe.

I want homophobic pride. A parade and everything. I no longer want to hide my homophobic face in disgrace!

So what's stopping you?

Pride comes before the fall.

So, my true homophobic nature either has to be hidden,

Homophobes aren't hiding. They are all over state legislatures

 

[I Am Hugh]

Well, I hope your horse has given informed consent. I think I'm done with this now, thank you.

Oh, yeah, the horse has to not give informed consent, I only like it like that. Done with it? Are you persecuting me because of my personal preference? Are you shunning me? That isn't fair, is it? My personal pronouns are giddy up/equestrian delight. You see how stupid it all is or are you blinded by your own mediocrity? I don't think rights should be prescribed to groups, but individuals. So, my silly analogy would actually be opposed to the absence of informed consent of the alleged horse in question. But not because it happens to be unpopular currently. Zeitgeist.

 

[I Am Hugh]

Considering what you are posting i don't think anyone will have trouble believing you are a homophobe.

And I couldn't care less.

So what's stopping you?

Common sense.

Homophobes aren't hiding. They are all over state legislatures

Then what are you *****ing about?

 

[Argentbear]

Sure. "Hate crimes," they call it. It has merely turned the tables. That's why I don't like these sorts of discussions. Politicized, idealized. If you are gay you should be able to be that. The same if you are homophobic or racist. You can't logically demand rights while denying others the same, no matter how disgusting they are to you.

What rights are gays denying homophobes? or racists for that matter?

 

[Argentbear]

And I couldn't care less.

Obviously not

Common sense.

SO nothing is holding you back

Then what are you *****ing about?

Homophobes aren't hiding They are very public

 

[I Am Hugh]

What rights are gays denying homophobes? or racists for that matter?

Rights are an illusion. If I say I'm voting for Trump I'm labelled a racist. Why? If I say I'm Christian I'm labelled homophobic. Why? If I say I'm gay - well, that's okay, but are you white, male? Yes. Back of the line, Mr. Sister. I'm not standing in your line anymore, you're crazy. I'm taking my balls and going home.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As you may or may not know, I'm a gay man, and my point was rhetorical. But I've known people in the recent history of occidental culture who have been denied employment or rent for homophobia and racism, etc. In some other cultures the same applies to homosexuality, even punishable by death. It doesn't take any stretch of the imagination in my opinion to see the alternative, i.e. being denied "rights" because of their homophobia.

I do not attempt to deny anybody's right to be who they are. I do, however, favour limiting anyone's right to "do unto others" whatever the hell they'd like. I'm a gay man -- the only people I have ever been intimate with have consented. In some cases, I'm happy to say, quite enthusiastically. I do not see myself as having the right, because I'm gay, to molest another man just because I happen to find him attractive.

I know homophobes -- there are some in the bar where I drink (it's a straight bar, I'm no longer interested in hanging out in gay establishments). And I agree they are perfectly within their rights to think that I'm disgusting (although I'm so old my sex life is mostly hypothetical). But I will not permit them the right to have me thrown out of the bar, nor throw their beer in my face. Nor disparage me in front of others. Happily, my friends and bar staff (pretty much all straight) feel the same way. If a customer decides to malign me with a homophobic slur, it will be them, not me, that gets tossed out.

Sure. "Hate crimes," they call it. It has merely turned the tables. That's why I don't like these sorts of discussions. Politicized, idealized. If you are gay you should be able to be that. The same if you are homophobic or racist. You can't logically demand rights while denying others the same, no matter how disgusting they are to you.

Whatever you are, you should also understand that you will be be judged not only by laws, but by the society around you. So the racist or homophobe who acts out against a minority in a public place is more than a little likely to be censured -- at least up here in Canada, and probably many blue states, if not so much in red ones.

Let me tell you an amusing story. Many years ago, as VP Information Technology for a global financial institution, I was attending a technology conference at UCLA (staying in the guest house, which is very nice). After hours, I liked to walk down to West Hollywood, and particularly to Santa Monica Blvd. One evening, I wandered into a book shop on the street, where a gay author was giving a talk about his latest book, about how much trouble gays have in the workplace. I listened politely, and during questions after his speech I asked, mentioning my position and company, why he felt it necessary to be terribly "out" at work? I explained that, while everyone in my company knew that I was gay, and most of them knew my partner (who I am still with 30 years later) -- but it was not a topic for discussion at work -- work was.

What makes the story amusing is that the bookstore threw me out -- for (I presume) being disrespectful.

Probably. My point is to meet the new boss, the same as the old boss. The "Christian Americans" probably see themselves as victims as well. During the Plandemic did they shut down the gay bars and the churches? Another rhetorical question I have no idea of the answer to, but you see my point?

I can't speak for the U.S. during the pandemic, but yes, here in Canada all bars and restaurants, and all churches were shut down -- literally for months. Actually, in Toronto it was from November 2020 until February 2022, a period of about 15 months! That was hard, but we lived (mostly quite literally) through it. Canada's infection and death rates per capita were very much lower than in the U.S.

 

[I Am Hugh]

Obviously not

You say that like it's a bad thing. Am I supposed to not be me because you don't like me? Because the tables have turned?

You just hate me because I'm gay?

SO nothing is holding you back

That's no fun.

Homophobes aren't hiding They are very public

********!!

 

[Argentbear]

Rights are an illusion. If I say I'm voting for Trump I'm labelled a racist. Why?

You wouldn't be labeled that. Why are you saying you would be?

If I say I'm Christian I'm labelled homophobic. Why?

You wouldn't be labeled that. Why are you saying that you would be?

If I say I'm gay - well, that's okay,

it is OK. it Ok if you are straight to

but are you white, male? Yes. Back of the line,

No one is sent to the back of the line because they are white. Why are you lying about this?

Mr. Sister. I'm not standing in your line anymore, you're crazy. I'm taking my balls and going home.

Ok you do that

 

[I Am Hugh]

You wouldn't be labeled that. Why are you saying you would be?

You wouldn't be labeled that. Why are you saying that you would be?


it is OK. it Ok if you are straight to

No one is sent to the back of the line because they are white. Why are you lying about this?k you do that?

[Sniff, sniff] You . . . you mean it's all just hysteria?

 

[Argentbear]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Am I supposed to not be me because you don't like me?

I hate you?

Because the tables have turned?

What tables?

You just hate me because I'm gay?

You sure got me figured out

That's no fun.

yeah the truth sometimes isn't

********!!

was the gentleman in the video you posted hiding?

 

[Argentbear]

[Sniff, sniff] You . . . you mean it's all just hysteria?

seems more like attention seeking. But why would you ask me? Apparently I hate you after all

 

[stvdv]

I have never been anti-gay, My mother was very tolerant of peoples sexuality and I was raised accordingly. Beyond a dislike of discrimination and a strong sense of justice I had never thought much about gay issues. That changed this morning. @Shadow Wolf as part of another post wrote,

"The pride isn't in the sexuality itself, it's standing up to a society that wants to hate us, discriminate against us, repress us and throw us back in the closet."

I recalled my mother comforting a tearful neighbor. The woman's brother had for most of his short life veered between his drug addiction and alcoholism. While under the influence of drink/drugs he would sometimes behave in ways that got him beaten, often savagely, requiring medical help. In the end it killed him.

His problem was that he had never been able to handle his father rejecting him. His father hated gays. It was as simple as that.

So yes, people who strive to end such situations have every reason to be proud.

Perfect introduction, this story, too bad it happened, proves to me that discrimination on feelings, beliefs, skin color, nationality etc. is Adharmic, not our right to do so. Of course others are free to discriminate other humans, but it's not their right

I always wonder how people, having a conscience, can sleep well, having discriminated others.

It's only possible if you don't listen to your conscience I guess, shut of your connection to the inner truth available if you listen to your conscience. As a result you can't feel Love, it's a too heavy price I would say

 

[I Am Hugh]

seems more like attention seeking. But why would you ask me? Apparently I hate you after all

Told you. Like you said, though, sometimes the truth isn't fun.

 

[I Am Hugh]

I hate you?

Probably. It's okay. It doesn't matter.

What tables?

When I was born where I was born you could go to jail for going to a place known to be a homosexual gathering place. They would put your name in the paper, that sort of thing. Now the tables have turned. Metaphorically speaking.

You sure got me figured out

Probably. It's okay. It doesn't matter.

yeah the truth sometimes isn't

The truth is rare, but always fun.

was the gentleman in the video you posted hiding?

Tosh? No. When was that episode recorded? Changing tables. Should he be hidden? It's the age of the ideologue.

 

[blü 2]

Anal sex is not an act of love either - do you understand that?

It can be as much an act of love as any other form of sexual expression.

And not only between males. This article >One in four straight women are having anal sex a few times a month< says 25% of women do it voluntarily and regularly for pleasure. Even if we reduce that to 5%, that's a lot of voluntary anal sex. You can read this report >Why Women Engage in Anal Intercourse: Results from a Qualitative Study< to better inform yourself.

And throughout history it's said to have been used as a means of hetero copulating both to avoid the risk of conception, and to preserve the hymen for later weddings, though since the church was agin it (while doing their fair share of it) the evidence isn't so prolific.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't see how that changes anything that I've said. Let's say I'm homophobic, I want homophobic pride. A parade and everything. I no longer want to hide my homophobic face in disgrace! Pride comes before the fall.

So, my true homophobic nature either has to be hidden, closeted or not according to how sick society is at any given time and that's my true nature. I'm dependent upon how sick or not, depending upon the subjective definition, my society happens to be.

Hate deserves to be ashamed as it hides from decent people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

was the gentleman in the video you posted hiding?

Tosh? No. When was that episode recorded? Changing tables. Should he be hidden? It's the age of the ideologue.

Tosh used a green screen to insert himself into the video. He wasn't even hiding because he wasn't actually there. That was a big part of that show.

 

[I Am Hugh]

Hate deserves to be ashamed as it hides from decent people.

The same could be said of homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia, depending on the time and place of course. The question being who are the decent people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The same could be said of homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia, depending on the time and place of course. The question being who are the decent people.

The same cannot rightly be said of homosexuality.