Homosexual Relationships Are Wrong

[ΩRôghênΩ]

I do not believe in homosexual marriage or companionship, feeling are OK because they cannot be helped. as long as someone does not act out upon these feelings its alright. Im very puzzeled at many christians have the gay/lesbian pride banner as well.

Anyway:Homosexual companianships was probably warned against us because:

1. If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)
2. It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?
3. the bond between a man and a woman is sacred
4. If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.
5. Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.
6. AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)

Also read this:from http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5014/CFI/family/index.htm:


In the Netherlands, “gay marriage” hasn’t stopped AIDS

A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where “gay marriage” has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that “partnered” homosexuals have “outside” lovers, although fewer than the “unpartnered,” and that men in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming rates. This is progress?

As for the moral argument, it’s easy to make to those who have not shut their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning “gay marriage” would, among other things:

• Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an ever-encroaching government.
• Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, “gay bowel syndrome,” human papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted diseases.
• Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example: “The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population,” according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).
  
  A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that “slightly more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner.” (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, “Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,” No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research Council, 2001.
• Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless or fatherless households.
• Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.
• Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of people who believe homosexuality is wrong.
• Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and association.

Note that i am not saying that i am hating gay or lesbian people, im saying that when they are coupled it is very wrong and harmful.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You've used the term homosexual companionship. I am male and I have several male companions, some I can say that I love. The disciples were males and they were Jesus' companions.

Just what are you trying to say?

 

[Ormiston]

Note that i am not saying that i am hating gay or lesbian people, im saying that when they are coupled it is very wrong and harmful.

Thank you so much for trying to help our gay men and women. I'm sure they'll find this information very useful in helping them overcome their "problem". Then again...

This is the most speculative piece of trash I think I've ever read. How can you say you don't hate gays and then turn around and spread hateful and paranoia-based propaganda? There isn't one factual element to this post.

 

[Mike182]

if i may, i have a few quarrels

1. If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)

1. if i don't have HIV, and my partner does not, how will i get it?

   [*]It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?

   why are orgies and polygamy invalid ways of expressing sexuality?

   [*]the bond between a man and a woman is sacred

   no one denies that, all we are saying is that this bond can also be created in homosexual and polygamous relationships as well

   [*]If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.

   any proof of this? access to homosexuality does not make someone homosexual, if this was true, access to hetrosexuality would make people hetrosexual, i have had access tohetrosexuality all my life, and my very being disproves that theory.

   [*]Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.

   again, i ask for proof.

   [*]AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)

   and not at all because of promiscuos hetrosexual males?

Also read this:from http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5014/CFI/family/index.htm:


In the Netherlands, “gay marriage” hasn’t stopped AIDS

A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where “gay marriage” has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are soaring among homosexual men. The study notes that “partnered” homosexuals have “outside” lovers, although fewer than the “unpartnered,” and that men in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming rates. This is progress?

how is this applicable to me, who will not cheat! i cannot say my partner will not cheat, but who can?

As for the moral argument, it’s easy to make to those who have not shut their ears to self-evident truth. But even if marriage were not created by God Himself as the fountainhead of human life, a powerful case can be made on purely sociological grounds. Sanctioning “gay marriage” would, among other things:

• Further weaken the family, the first and best defense against an ever-encroaching government.

• im at school now, but later i can find evidence for homosexual family units providing prosperous homes for children.

  [*]Encourage children to experiment with homosexuality. This will put more kids at risk for HIV, hepatitis A, B and C, “gay bowel syndrome,” human papillomavirus (HPV), syphilis, gonorrhea and other sexually transmitted diseases.

  again, like i said above, this is not true! if it were, it would mean most gay people would not be gay, but would be straight.

  [*]Homosexual households are also more prone to domestic violence. For example: “The incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population,” according to D. Island and P. Letellier in Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them (New York: Haworth Press, 1991).

  this is pathetic! theres no way we know exactly how much domestic violence goes on, could it be that gay people are just more prone to reporting it?
  

  A study in the Journal of Social Service Research reported that “slightly more than half of the [lesbians surveyed] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner.” (G. Lie and S. Gentlewarrior, “Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,” No. 15, 1991.) More cites can be found in Tim Dailey, The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality, Insight paper, Family Research Council, 2001.
  [*]Put more children at risk as adoption agencies abandon the crrent practice of favoring married households and begin placing more children in motherless or fatherless households.

  again, i will find evidence for propserous homosexual households

  [*]Encourage more people to remain trapped in homosexuality rather than seek to re-channel their desires toward normal sexuality.

  im offended by the way you use the phrase "normal" sexuality

  [*]Pit the law and our government against the beliefs of tens of millions of people who believe homosexuality is wrong.

  so the majority have the right to overrule the rights of the minority? democracy at its best no doubt! as soon as you allow the majority of people to violate the right sof the minority, you are saying you don't mind a lot of people voting to make any of your practices illegal, like the freedom to practise your religion!

  [*]Create grounds for further attacks on the freedoms of speech, religion and association.

  huh? the fact that you can post such hurtfull things shows this is not true :banghead3

Note that i am not saying that i am hating gay or lesbian people, im saying that when they are coupled it is very wrong and harmful.

no, but it equates to the same thing when a gay person reads it

 

[BucephalusBB]

1. If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)
   That's not only gaypeople doing. that's attitude.
2. It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?
   The fact that those are wrong is also opinion
3. the bond between a man and a woman is sacred
   lovebond should be sacred, so also the love between 2 men or women
4. If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.
   That would be great for the overpopulation on this planet.
5. Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.
   What part? loving a man? or having sex for pleasure?
6. AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)
   So if all gay people would use condoms you would be fine with it...? I think not.

In the Netherlands, “gay marriage” hasn’t stopped AIDS
hetrosexual marriage didn't either..

A study in the journal AIDS reported that in Holland, where “gay marriage” has been legal since 2001, HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are soaring among homosexual men.
Actually, the marriagething is just the thing that stops the spreading for most part. It's the free feeling without marriage that is the problem. among gays and hetrosexuals btw..
The study notes that “partnered” homosexuals have “outside” lovers, although fewer than the “unpartnered,” and that men in these relationships are still contracting the AIDS virus at alarming rates. This is progress?
you use the word fewer yourself and still do not see that as progress?

 

[PureX]

I do not believe in homosexual marriage or companionship ...

Then you should not participate in such activities. Everything else is just opinion. We all have beliefs, which we should follow as best we can. We all have opinions, too, which we are free to express (within reason). And hopefully, we can all be mature enough to respect that other people's beliefs and opinions willl often disagree with our own, and that those people need to do what THEY believe is right, not what WE think they should do.

 

[Green Gaia]

I do not believe in homosexual marriage or companionship....

Fine. Don't have one.

The two links in your post are both anti-gay Christian-based websites. Surely you have something more unbaised and scientific if you want to be taken seriously condemning a whole group of people.

1. If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)

Marriage=committed relationship. Tell me how a 2 people in committed relationship is going to spread AIDS, especially if they don't have it!

2. It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?

Um, you straight people figured out about orgies and polyamory all by yourselves. You can't blame that on gay people in committed relationships.

3. the bond between a man and a woman is sacred

The bond between 2 adults who love and care for each other, regardless of their genders, is sacred and is no one else's business.

4. If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.

You have research to back this up, of course.... where is it?

5. Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.

The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Medical Association disagree with you. Homosexuality is a neutral human characteristic.

6. AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)

Again, you have research to back this up, of course.... where is it?

Straights spread syphilis. Heterosexuals also spread AIDS. AIDS is caused by a virus, and the virus does not discriminate. Unsafe sex by anyone will spread the disease.

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

Note that i am not saying that i am hating gay or lesbian people, im saying that when they are coupled it is very wrong and harmful.

Who are they harming? How can love be harmful?
Joh 13:35 - Show Context By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Joh 14:23 - Show Context Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Sunstone]

Lord Roghen, I think you've been taken in by a couple of notoriously one-sided and anti-homosexual organizations. If you are seriously interested in this issue, you should pursue better sources of information on it.

 

[Draka]

Why, oh why, is it that there are certain people out there that feel the need to constantly condemn homosexuals? Last I checked homosexuals aren't out there constantly condemning heterosexuality. Knowing that there is a well sized population of GLBT members at this site it is always a frequent thing to see someone post how wrong their lives are. The only thing these people do is defend themselves and are then criticized more for "making excuses" and whatnot. If they stand up for their rights and just want respect to lead their lives they are "forcing their gay agenda". This is just ridiculous.

Can everyone just take one moment to think of one thing about themselves that someone else might not like? Come on...everyone has something...no one is perfect. In fact, there is no such thing as perfect no matter what some like to think. Are you excessively neat? A slob? Do you have depression or some other mental condition? Are you in any way physically handicapped? Anything? Are you an aggressive individual? A submissive individual? Anything that may be a permanent trait of WHO YOU ARE as a person will work. Now try to imagine that other people CONSTANTLY start stuff with you telling you how wrong you are, and how wrong your life is, because of that one thing. Don't dare try to defend yourself or stick up for yourself, because you are downright WRONG and nothing you say will do one bit of good.

Most want to use the Bible and religion for their arguments against homosexuality. Well, let's use the Bible then...remember the throwing of the stones? If you have nothing in this world that someone can have problems with, no speck of sin on your soul...then cast away. If not...shut up and keep your stones to yourself.

 

[michel]

I do not believe in homosexual marriage or companionship, feeling are OK because they cannot be helped. as long as someone does not act out upon these feelings its alright.

How would you feel like if someone told you heterosexual relationships were wrong, and while you couldn't help but be attracted to someone, it would be 'wrong' to express your feelings?

Well, how would you feel ? - do you think you'd just say "O.K then, I'll remain chaste for the rest of my life?"

I am not going to say anything about the sources you have quoted (others have already made the point that they are very biassed).

 

[kevmicsmi]

Again, you have research to back this up, of course.... where is it?

Straights spread syphilis. Heterosexuals also spread AIDS. AIDS is caused by a virus, and the virus does not discriminate. Unsafe sex by anyone will spread the disease.

Actually Maize, Aids does discriminate. according to this sight
http://www.avert.org/aidsyounggaymen.htm

In the USA, it is estimated that nearly 300,000 men were living with AIDS at the end of 2002, and another 420,000 had died. Almost 60% of men diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the USA were probably exposed to the virus through male-to-male sexual contact.1

From the same sight

http://www.avert.org/hsexu1.htm

'In the last three elections, the Voter News Service exit poll registered the gay vote between 4 percent and 5 percent. While concluding that the Census 2000 undercounted the total number of gay or lesbian households, for the purposes of this study, we estimate the gay and lesbian population at 5 percent of the total U.S. population over 18 years of age, (209,128,094). This results in an estimated total gay and lesbian population of 10,456,405. A recent study of gay and lesbian voting habits conducted by Harris Interactive determined that 30 percent of gay and lesbian people are living in a committed relationship in the same residence. Using that figure, we suggest that 3,136,921 gay or lesbian people are living in the United States in committed relationships in the same residence. '4

Now if 5% of Americans are gay, but 60% of Aids cases come from homosexual sex, I think a safe estimate in America would put gay males as 10 times more likely to contract AIDS than straight males. I figured conservatively to take into account bisexual male population that does not consider themselves gay.

Im sure you also know Maize that sexual intercourse between Lesbians is less likely to transmit HIV than heterosexual intercourse.

I think as much as people dont want to admit it, AIDS is predominately a young gay male disease in developed countries.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Actually Maize, Aids does discriminate. according to this sight
http://www.avert.org/aidsyounggaymen.htm

Then it's wrong. If gay men are more affected, it is because of their tendacy not to use protection and not because they are gay.

To manipulate the evidence otherwise is to be purposefully deceitful and intellectually dishonest.

From the same site:
"Not all gay men have anal sex. Some don't like it or want to do it and others only do it rarely. Some research in the UK has suggested that about two thirds of men who have had any sexual experience with another man in their lives have never had anal sex at all (Johnson et al, 1994).

When two men do decide to have anal sex there are a variety of reasons and circumstances when they might not use condoms, even though they know the facts about the risks of HIV infection. These reasons are not exclusive to gay men and can affect the choices heterosexual men and women make about using condoms too.

If two men both think that neither of them have HIV or another sexually transmitted disease they might choose not to use condoms for anal sex. For many young gay men making a decision not to use condoms based on their knowledge about their own and their partner's HIV status is not really a realistic option. Research has shown that this is because when people are young they are very likely to have more than one sexual partner in a fairly short period of time and may well have sexual relationships with two people at the same time (Johnson et al., 2001).

For some gay men not using condoms is bound up with trust or love. Some of them say that using a condom in the context of a monogamous relationship suggests that they have been unfaithful. Problems can arise here if either of them does have sex with someone else. Then they have to deal with potential difficulties of telling their partner about it because they will have to use condoms until they can be sure they haven't contracted any infections including HIV. Using condoms with every partner means this situation doesn't have to arise."

 

[Faint]

Anyway:Homosexual companianships was probably warned against us because:

1. If there is a mass increase in these marriages/companionships AIDS will spread like a wild-fire (This is probable)

1. I'm afraid someone has brainwashed you. You've caught some exo-toxic meme complex and now you're trying to spread it (like the AIDS virus you're talking about). It won't work...seek therapy.

2. It degrades the value and order of a relationship, because if this is allowed to go on, who says something like orgies or polyamory wont be let loose?

   Slippery slope fallacy. Who says something like antlers won't sprout from the heads of those in traditional, male/female relationships? Besides, what's wrong with polyamoury?

3. the bond between a man and a woman is sacred

   Sacred to whom? Some god figure? I never saw god protesting any gay-rights rallys or gay pride parades. Why hasn't he smote them all yet if it's such a big deal?

4. If there is a rapid growth of Homosexual relationships, then children will grow up to be homosexuals as well (This is also statistically probable), meaning that in the end most people will be homosexuals.

   In the unlikely event that your pseudo-scientific statistics (which I don't see a source on) are accurate, how would this be a bad thing? Does it threaten your manhood? Are you secretly curious?

5. Homosexuality is a psychological disorder which is taken to seriously to now be called a natural and cultural thing.

   Read what Maize said.

6. AIDS is erupting worldwide because of homosexuality, endangering lives (such as the netherlands)

   I think Africa would be a better example. They have it the worst right now, and it has little to do with homosexuality. AIDS is spreading because of lack of education and safe sex practices (and African politician recently said that he had sex with many HIV positive women, but he was okay because he always took a shower afterwards.

 

[evearael]

I respect the fact that you are taking a 'hate the sin, not the sinner' approach. I also respect the fact that you indicate "that these feelings cannot be helped." However, I disagree with most statements following your opening.

AIDS is spread, among other ways, through promiscuity. A gay calculus teacher once told me that the chance of getting AIDS for a monogamous approaches zero, but for a promiscuous person it is one in two. I am personally against promiscuity regardless of orientation, as it is disrespectful to sexuality which I percieve as sacred. Homosexual marriage is about obtaining the same rights that heterosexual couples take for granted, like inheritance rights, health insurance, and visitation rights at a hospital. Did you know that even a celibate homosexual is barred from visiting their beloved on their deathbed in the hospital? This is the case even with heterosexual couple who are not married. Homosexual marriage is not about forcing churches to marry them. A church has, and should always have, the right to only marry couples they approve.

Orgies happen. I've been invited to at least a dozen. I have declined every time because of my views on promiscuity. Polyamories are best left for a different thread.

A person is a particular sexual orientation, regardless of exposure to other orientations. I second the motion, that if it were all up to exposure, then most sexual minorities would not be as they are.

Homosexuality is practiced by many animals, so how is it unnatural?

The Netherlands also has rampant drug use, which can also spread AIDS.

If you want to strengthen family, I applaud you. This has no bearing. Mr. & Mr. Smith across the street have nothing to do with your personal orientation, whether or not you are faithful to your spouse, whether or not you beat your spouse or your kids, etc. You are free to raise your children in whatever spiritual path you see fit. Would you seek to ban Jews or Muslims because the simple act of living across the street from you has detrimental affects on you raising your family in your own faith? I certainly hope not because their faith has no bearing on what YOU teach your children.

If you do not want your kids hoping with STDs, then teach them not to be promiscuous and, if they must, use protection. Heterosexuals have STDs, too.

Domestic violence will always be higher in groups that are denied rights... look at married women in Afghanistan.

When I see every home opposed to GBLT rights open up and adopt every kid who needs a home, I will consider this a serious statement.

I disagree with the 'rechanneling' statement, but you can prosletyze to your heart's content. It is your right to freedom of speech.

If you want to have a heterosexual marriage and start a traditional family, the Smiths across the street are not stopping you.

I am opposed to frivolous infringement on the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not just to protect speech we like...
Your religion can preach whatever it desires. I oppose any requirements to force a church to recognize or bless any marriage, due to the separation of church and state. Homosexuals can find an open church or go before the justice of the peace.

Homosexual 'coupling' does no harm to you.

 

[kevmicsmi]

Then it's wrong. If gay men are more affected, it is because of their tendacy not to use protection and not because they are gay.

To manipulate the evidence otherwise is to be purposefully deceitful and intellectually dishonest.

From the same site:
"Not all gay men have anal sex. Some don't like it or want to do it and others only do it rarely. Some research in the UK has suggested that about two thirds of men who have had any sexual experience with another man in their lives have never had anal sex at all (Johnson et al, 1994).

When two men do decide to have anal sex there are a variety of reasons and circumstances when they might not use condoms, even though they know the facts about the risks of HIV infection. These reasons are not exclusive to gay men and can affect the choices heterosexual men and women make about using condoms too.

If two men both think that neither of them have HIV or another sexually transmitted disease they might choose not to use condoms for anal sex. For many young gay men making a decision not to use condoms based on their knowledge about their own and their partner's HIV status is not really a realistic option. Research has shown that this is because when people are young they are very likely to have more than one sexual partner in a fairly short period of time and may well have sexual relationships with two people at the same time (Johnson et al., 2001).

For some gay men not using condoms is bound up with trust or love. Some of them say that using a condom in the context of a monogamous relationship suggests that they have been unfaithful. Problems can arise here if either of them does have sex with someone else. Then they have to deal with potential difficulties of telling their partner about it because they will have to use condoms until they can be sure they haven't contracted any infections including HIV. Using condoms with every partner means this situation doesn't have to arise."

Every variable you have given could be equally said about heterosexual couples, so I dont see how this would drastically affect the statistics. Tell me if I am missing something. Im not trying to prove a point with this, just trying to present facts.

 

[Halcyon]

AIDS isn't spread or caused by homosexuality;

Three things spread the HIV;

1. Stupidity. If you don't use protection and you don't know the sexual history of your partner, or if they have been tested for it, then you can blame noone but yourself for contracting a sexually transmitted disease.

2. Rape. Although thankfully not very common, this is still a cause of contracting HIV - nothing to do with homosexuality.

3. Religious dogma. The largest of the three causes for the spread of AIDS. Catholic condemnation of condoms has caused HIV to spread, to use your words, "like wildfire" across Africa. Again, nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Every variable you have given could be equally said about heterosexual couples, so I dont see how this would drastically affect the statistics. Tell me if I am missing something. Im not trying to prove a point with this, just trying to present facts.

The context and phrasing in which you situated the information indicates otherwise.

Maize argues that AIDs does not discriminate between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

AIDS is caused by a virus, and the virus does not discriminate. Unsafe sex by anyone will spread the disease.

You said otherwise.

Actually Maize, Aids does discriminate. according to this sight
http://www.avert.org/aidsyounggaymen.htm

Which is why I said

If gay men are more affected, it is because of their tendacy not to use protection and not because they are gay.

Now you say this, which appears to be a contradiction and support both Maize and myself:

Every variable you have given could be equally said about heterosexual couples

 

[kevmicsmi]

The context and phrasing in which you situated the information indicates otherwise.

Maize argues that AIDs does not discriminate between homosexuals and heterosexuals.


You said otherwise.


Now you say:

But the numbers dont lie.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

But the numbers dont lie.

Aids does discriminate

The numbers do not indicate that AIDs discriminates! Your conclusions do not match your evidence. The article plainly says that AIDs is caused by unprotected sex and not homosexuality.

It's not the numbers that I dispute, but the association with homosexuality as being the cause of AIDs.