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Homosexuality in the ancient world

sooda

Veteran Member
Africa
Women in Lesotho engaged in socially sanctioned long term, erotic relationships, named motsoalle. Male Azande warriors in the northern Congo routinely took on boy-wives between the ages of twelve and twenty, who helped with household tasks and participated in sex with their older husbands.

Americas
Homosexual and transgender individuals were common among other pre-conquest civilizations in Latin America, such as the Aztecs, Mayans, Quechuas, Moches, Zapotecs, and the Tupinambá of Brazil.

Ancient Asyrria
In the ancient Assyrian society, homosexuality was present and it was also not prohibited. Religiously, there was nothing amiss with homosexual love between men. Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.

Ancient China
Homosexuality has been acknowledged in China since ancient times. Nearly every emperor in the Han Dynasty had one or more male sex partners.

Ancient Greece
The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as Western societies have done for the past century. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behaviour by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.

Ancient India
Kama Sutra, the ancient Indian treatise on love talks about feelings for same sexes. The Laws of Manu, the foundational work of Hindu law, mentions a “third sex”, members of which may engage in non-traditional gender expression and homosexual activities.

Anient Rome
The “conquest mentality” of the ancient Romans shaped Roman homosexual practices. In the Roman Republic, a citizen’s political liberty was defined in part by the right to preserve his body from physical compulsion or use by others; for the male citizen to submit his body to the giving of pleasure was considered servile.

Homosexuality in the Ancient World
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
trans·gen·der
[transˈjendər, tranzˈjendər]
ADJECTIVE
  1. denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

I was thinking more along the lines of a transgender person taking the hormones and the operation, etc. The reason I asked (and please forgive my ignorance because many of us are not as smart as you) is because our transgender bass player is undergoing her final operation tomorrow. After spending more than a year around her I have learned much, but there will always be questions.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I was thinking more along the lines of a transgender person taking the hormones and the operation, etc. The reason I asked (and please forgive my ignorance because many of us are not as smart as you) is because our transgender bass player is undergoing her final operation tomorrow. After spending more than a year around her I have learned much, but there will always be questions.

I don't know if all trangender people have surgery and take hormones, or not. In the ancient world probably not.. Although they did castrate janissaries
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I don't know if all trangender people have surgery and take hormones, or not. In the ancient world probably not.. Although they did castrate janissaries

Ouch! Since we're bandying definitions about, I would consider "trans" as meaning moving to something. In this case it would be moving to a change in gender. This, imho, would have to be accomplished by more than a public affirmation of intent.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Ouch! Since we're bandying definitions about, I would consider "trans" as meaning moving to something. In this case it would be moving to a change in gender. This, imho, would have to be accomplished by more than a public affirmation of intent.

Transgender means they don't feel like their sex.. Doesn't say anything about surgical changes.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Ouch! Since we're bandying definitions about, I would consider "trans" as meaning moving to something. In this case it would be moving to a change in gender. This, imho, would have to be accomplished by more than a public affirmation of intent.
Transsexualism is the medical condition of having strong dysphoria and wanting to medically transition to the opposite sex. Obviously that wasn't possible until the '30s when the first SRS surgeries were being done. Hormones weren't discovered until 1902 or so.

However, trans people would have always existed. How they would have managed their dysphoria depended on the individual and culture. Male-to-female trans people often castrated themselves (some still do when lacking the money for surgery) and female-to-male people could remove the breasts.
 
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