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Homosexuality & Religion

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
I know that many believers think the mind of God is unknowable or at least highly difficult to discern to us mere mortals, but I wanted to see if any religious folks had an opinion on this question.

I also know that many people who believe a religion that says homosexuality is a sin do not treat homosexual people poorly (as some Christians say, "we are all sinners"). That doesn't matter for this question; this question deals with why the holy texts of various religions denounce homosexuality -- even if you are a person who is okay with being friends with and respecting homosexuals yourself.

1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?
 

thedope

Active Member
1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?
I don't think god does nor does it harm god. Follow the money. Who owns the property from a homo union? It is possessive and insecure men who create these prohibitions, men with hardness of heart.
2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?
From what I understand god created only the good.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?
Mostly because God has a crowd of people trying to speak for him, and they are squicked out by relationships that deviate from the norms set by human society. Not always unreasonable norms mind you- I suppose they do tend to propagate the species- but it is unfortunate when others assume that any deviation from majority is bad, and assume that deity will somehow agree with them. I certainly don't believe that God is really all that horrified by the thought of a homosexual relationship. We were made as we are, children of God all. I note that the last time I was dating a man, the blessings of God did not suddenly desert me. Music still uplifted, the sacraments still transformed before us, prayer was still answered, joy was still found in compassion and love. Where was this supposed wrath of God? So I don't pay much heed to anti-homosexual rhetoric.

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?
Naturally no.
 

Smoke

Done here.
I consider any religion's attitudes toward women and LGBTs a sort of litmus test. If such attitudes are repressive, oppressive, or just plain stupid, it's a sure bet that that religion teaches nonsense on other subjects too. It's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of all religions, including my own.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
I consider any religion's attitudes toward women and LGBTs a sort of litmus test. If such attitudes are repressive, oppressive, or just plain stupid, it's a sure bet that that religion teaches nonsense on other subjects too. It's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of all religions, including my own.

What religions do they have on Omicron Persei 8?

Don't eat humans on Sundays; eating Popplers is a sin?
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
I know that many believers think the mind of God is unknowable or at least highly difficult to discern to us mere mortals, but I wanted to see if any religious folks had an opinion on this question.

I also know that many people who believe a religion that says homosexuality is a sin do not treat homosexual people poorly (as some Christians say, "we are all sinners"). That doesn't matter for this question; this question deals with why the holy texts of various religions denounce homosexuality -- even if you are a person who is okay with being friends with and respecting homosexuals yourself.

1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?

1.) I think God is a God of Law. Who wants to be in complete control of everything. So he design us to have sexual urges for there will always be more of us, but sometimes a few of us get a different knd of urge and find their same sex attractive ect. This is just rebellion to his control. It probably annoys him.

2.) Probably though I never thought about it.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
1.) I think God is a God of Law. Who wants to be in complete control of everything. So he design us to have sexual urges for there will always be more of us, but sometimes a few of us get a different knd of urge and find their same sex attractive ect. This is just rebellion to his control. It probably annoys him.

2.) Probably though I never thought about it.

So you believe in a deity that wants to control everything and gets annoyed if people fall in love with someone other than the deity wants them to fall in love with?

Not necessarily judging, even if I don't understand the desire to believe in such a being, but am I getting this right?
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
So you believe in a deity that wants to control everything and gets annoyed if people fall in love with someone other than the deity wants them to fall in love with?

Not necessarily judging, even if I don't understand the desire to believe in such a being, but am I getting this right?

Well believe isn't the correct way to put it. I recognize his existence. I know he's there, but I don't worship him. But yes, he is a God of Law and Order that wants it his way and will get it his way. He gets annoyed if people go against his plan.
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
Well believe isn't the correct way to put it. I recognize his existence. I know he's there, but I don't worship him. But yes, he is a God of Law and Order that wants it his way and will get it his way. He gets annoyed if people go against his plan.

"will get it his way."

When exactly does this happen? Homosexuals have been a constant presences since the beginning of humankind, and no deity seems to be doing much to stop it. So when does this tyrannical god, that you believe in, get it His way?
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
"will get it his way."

When exactly does this happen? Homosexuals have been a constant presences since the beginning of humankind, and no deity seems to be doing much to stop it. So when does this tyrannical god, that you believe in, get it His way?

How should I know? Supposly he has a whole plan with calling his loyal believers up in the air. Then the world goes to ****(Worse then it is). But hey if it doesn't happen all the better.
 

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
How should I know? Supposly he has a whole plan with calling his loyal believers up in the air. Then the world goes to ****(Worse then it is). But hey if it doesn't happen all the better.

And where are you getting all this information? Couldn't be the Bible could it?
 
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Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
I consider any religion's attitudes toward women and LGBTs a sort of litmus test. If such attitudes are repressive, oppressive, or just plain stupid, it's a sure bet that that religion teaches nonsense on other subjects too. It's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of all religions, including my own.

"it's a sure bet that that religion teaches nonsense on other subjects too."

I have yet to encounter a religion that didn't teach nonsense. Maybe not in its entirety, but religion is usually loaded with a bunch of nonsense. Stuff like control freak gods who get annoyed that people fall in love, and plans to blow up the Earth.
 
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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
"it's a sure bet that that religion teaches nonsense on other subjects too."

I have yet to encounter a religion that didn't teach nonsense. Maybe not in its entirety, but religion is usually loaded with a bunch of nonsense. Stuff like control freak gods who get annoyed that people fall in love, and plans to blow up the Earth.

I see that you're a robotologist.

Seeing as I'm a robot in disguise, will you worship me?

I need some cantoloupe and purple grapes with a side of whiskey stat! :beach:
 

Smoke

Done here.
I have yet to encounter a religion that didn't teach nonsense.
Me either. I don't think religion is worthless, but I do think you have to approach it with a rather cynical eye if you don't want to get sucked into the rankest kind of nonsense.
 

Dan4reason

Facts not Faith
I know that many believers think the mind of God is unknowable or at least highly difficult to discern to us mere mortals, but I wanted to see if any religious folks had an opinion on this question.

I also know that many people who believe a religion that says homosexuality is a sin do not treat homosexual people poorly (as some Christians say, "we are all sinners"). That doesn't matter for this question; this question deals with why the holy texts of various religions denounce homosexuality -- even if you are a person who is okay with being friends with and respecting homosexuals yourself.

1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?

I cannot answer your question from a religious perspective, but I can at least speculate at why so many cultures consider it an abomination.

I will approach this debate from a perspective of a heterosexual male. As a heterosexual, I find women to be attractive and find it normal by emotion and instict for people to be attracted to women.

I emotionally find any sort of sexual intercourse with a male to be disgusting, and I would never do it. The very idea of a male making out with a male is emotionally revolting. Because that is how I emotionally see the world, it is emotionally revolting to see men making out with each other. These emotions are genetically based and is the reason why men make out with women in general throughout history.

Gays and bisexuals have a different set of emotions regarding reproduction and may even find reproduction with the opposite sex repulsive. We cannot all be bigots about reproduction, hating each other for conflicting with our subjective emotions.

We must realize that what gender you make out with really doesn't matter, is entirely subjective and emotions, and just because you feel a certain way does not mean everybody on earth must conform to it. I choose not to judge homosexuals by my reproductive instincts, but rather I judge them by their personalities. There are many good homosexuals and have several friends with that orientation.

Many people today are not as broadminded as I am and choose to dislike homosexuals because their genetically incouraged insticts say that homosexuality is repulsive. People were even less tolerant thousands of years ago and because they emotionally found homosexuality repulsive, and they were in the habit of making up dieties, they decided that their deities disliked homosexuality too.

People today have faith in many of these deities so they have faith in the idea that homosexuality is wrong. These are reasons religious people seem especially repulsed by homosexuality. This faith that homosexuality is wrong drives this natural repulsion toward homosexual acts even further, while my logical arguments concerning the subjectivity of sexual attraction has mostly subdued it.
 

Soulless

New Member
I know that many believers think the mind of God is unknowable or at least highly difficult to discern to us mere mortals, but I wanted to see if any religious folks had an opinion on this question.

I also know that many people who believe a religion that says homosexuality is a sin do not treat homosexual people poorly (as some Christians say, "we are all sinners"). That doesn't matter for this question; this question deals with why the holy texts of various religions denounce homosexuality -- even if you are a person who is okay with being friends with and respecting homosexuals yourself.

1) Why do you think God or Allah or whoever you believe in would denounce homosexuality? What harm does it do to God?

2) Does God think homosexual acts in non-human species is also an abomination?

i guess god is doing this to protect us , homosexuality is not health , nor random unlawful sex with a male or female , its all just wrong wrong.
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
As an atheist homosexuality is a failure in that it is self extinguishing. You cannot breed by definition if you are truely homosexual, therefore it will have no net benefit or deficit to the human condition. it is basically irrelevant, confined to the temporary position of local minority gratification.

Cheers
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Among native peoples, LGBT individuals are variously tolerated or celebrated, there are few where they are looked down upon.

In some nations Transgendered people were viewed as holy.

The Navajo (I believe, I may have the wrong nation) have seven pronouns to account for the natural range of human identity, Hetero M/F, Gay M/F, Trans M/F and Neutral.

wa:do
 
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