Hope in Trump

[Monk Of Reason]

I recall when Bernie Sanders lost the primary that my very best possible outcome for this election would be for Trump to win and then turn his back on everything he promised. Well not litterally everything but to definitly push a bunch of non-conservative issues through.

A few days in he is already talking about keeping parts of the ACA. Hopefully he makes meaningful improvmements or goes back to his 90's opinion that we should have Canadian style socialized healthcare.

He has said some terrible things that are not to be tolerated about minoirities and women in the past. I can live with that if he passes laws and produces results that are favorable. I'd rather have a racist **** of a president that ends war in the middle east, fixes healthcare, betters the economy for all and helps college debt than a female political correctness machine that continued to bomb children and make less than ideal reforms in the homeland.

So to hear trump talk about his idea for caps in interest rates for college debts and forgiveness after 20 years? It made me feel a slight....tiny glimmer of hope that his campaign was an act and that he is a person underneath all that wrinkled orange skin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/

 

[Iti oj]

I recall when Bernie Sanders lost the primary that my very best possible outcome for this election would be for Trump to win and then turn his back on everything he promised. Well not litterally everything but to definitly push a bunch of non-conservative issues through.

A few days in he is already talking about keeping parts of the ACA. Hopefully he makes meaningful improvmements or goes back to his 90's opinion that we should have Canadian style socialized healthcare.

He has said some terrible things that are not to be tolerated about minoirities and women in the past. I can live with that if he passes laws and produces results that are favorable. I'd rather have a racist **** of a president that ends war in the middle east, fixes healthcare, betters the economy for all and helps college debt than a female political correctness machine that continued to bomb children and make less than ideal reforms in the homeland.

So to hear trump talk about his idea for caps in interest rates for college debts and forgiveness after 20 years? It made me feel a slight....tiny glimmer of hope that his campaign was an act and that he is a person underneath all that wrinkled orange skin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/

May I post this on fb to discuss with a friend

 

[Monk Of Reason]

May I post this on fb to discuss with a friend

Sure thing.


Also found another article. Apparenetly Trump wants to keep the Iran peace deal set up by Obama. He may tweak the agreement but looks like he is going to keep it for the time being.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/12/trump-just-announced-will-not-cancel-obamas-iran-peace-deal/

 

[idav]

I'd rather have a racist **** of a president that ends war in the middle east,

That would be rather ironic, having racial issues but choose not to bully other cultures. I for optimism that deep down people like people. It hasn't done us any favors in actual discrimination ever since just having such a candidate.

Really Sanders was the candidate for those things vs. Hillary or Trump.

fixes healthcare,

With that I'm afraid that it will discriminate based on illness but hopeful it won't. From what I hear people will be losing coverage but can always go private.

betters the economy for all and helps college debt than a female political correctness machine that continued to bomb children and make less than ideal reforms in the homeland.

Obama actually has not been meddling, we pulled out of Iraq and got called back. I am how ever against funding Iran, be interesting to see how the Repubs go with.

Both the candidates are for fixing college but I heard him say he wants to cut education funding.

Sanders wanted free college, thats fairly optimistic thinking.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That would be rather ironic, having racial issues but choose not to bully other cultures. I for optimism that deep down people like people. It hasn't done us any favors in actual discrimination ever since just having such a candidate.

It would be ironic but not impossible. I'm more afraid of what we are doing in Syria and surrounding nations.

Really Sanders was the candidate for those things vs. Hillary or Trump.

No candidate is perfect but Bernie Sanders was the 99%

With that I'm afraid that it will discriminate based on illness but hopeful it won't. From what I hear people will be losing coverage but can always go private.

His "new" plans haven't been revealed yet. I am hopeful but so so soooo tentatively.

Obama actually has not been meddling, we pulled out of Iraq and got called back. I am how ever against funding Iran, be interesting to see how the Repubs go with.

Both the candidates are for fixing college but I heard him say he wants to cut education funding.

Sanders wanted free college, thats fairly optimistic thinking.

Depends on what he means in cutting education funding. I am generally against it always but specifically on the debt forgiveness its something we need. I also think it should be brought down to 15 years instead of 20. Five years doesn't sound like a lot but it is. If you graduate with a MA at 25. The difference between being debt free at 40 and 45 is big. It also means that if you had a child right after you got your degree you would be free of debt by the time they went to college.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I recall when Bernie Sanders lost the primary that my very best possible outcome for this election would be for Trump to win and then turn his back on everything he promised. Well not litterally everything but to definitly push a bunch of non-conservative issues through.

A few days in he is already talking about keeping parts of the ACA. Hopefully he makes meaningful improvmements or goes back to his 90's opinion that we should have Canadian style socialized healthcare.

He has said some terrible things that are not to be tolerated about minoirities and women in the past. I can live with that if he passes laws and produces results that are favorable. I'd rather have a racist **** of a president that ends war in the middle east, fixes healthcare, betters the economy for all and helps college debt than a female political correctness machine that continued to bomb children and make less than ideal reforms in the homeland.

So to hear trump talk about his idea for caps in interest rates for college debts and forgiveness after 20 years? It made me feel a slight....tiny glimmer of hope that his campaign was an act and that he is a person underneath all that wrinkled orange skin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/

He's also said he has better things to do than to prosecute Hillary, and Ryan came out and said no mass deportations.

The liberals seem to not have much of a reason to fear, and the conservatives seem to not have much to celebrate. . . and the election was only five days ago.

It seems he may have just outright lied about everything during his campaign, just to get elected.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

He's also said he has better things to do than to prosecute Hillary, and Ryan came out and said no mass deportations.

The liberals seem to not have much of a reason to fear, and the conservatives seem to not have much to celebrate. . . and the election was only five days ago.

It seems he may have just outright lied about everything during his campaign, just to get elected.

To play devils advocate always, the fear many people had wasn't unjustified. My general feeling has been that Trump is an unknown. Is he probably worse than Hillary? Problably. Is most of what comes out of his mouth bull****? Yeah. The Pence thing was the first time a chill ran down my spine with Trump. More or less I have to hope that it was the RNC making a deal with him and that was a barganing piece.

 

[Mickdrew]

What kind of position is this? Vote Trump and then pray he lied about literally everything?
You are pretty much agreeing that he is a sociopath who will say anything to further his own interests.

That'll be why things get worse than we thought, if anything. Look at who h's thinking of choosing:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/what-donald-trumps-cabinet-might-look-like

Bolton and Gingrich for secretary of state? Carson for education? Jesus Christ...

There is no hope with Trump in office, because he will be surrounded by extreme right wingers and corporate lobbyists - all of whom will feed his ego and make him pursue horrible and destructive paths.

Sorry mate, but you are being insanely naive here. He's not going to listen to the people.

 

[David1967]

I recall when Bernie Sanders lost the primary that my very best possible outcome for this election would be for Trump to win and then turn his back on everything he promised. Well not litterally everything but to definitly push a bunch of non-conservative issues through.

A few days in he is already talking about keeping parts of the ACA. Hopefully he makes meaningful improvmements or goes back to his 90's opinion that we should have Canadian style socialized healthcare.

He has said some terrible things that are not to be tolerated about minoirities and women in the past. I can live with that if he passes laws and produces results that are favorable. I'd rather have a racist **** of a president that ends war in the middle east, fixes healthcare, betters the economy for all and helps college debt than a female political correctness machine that continued to bomb children and make less than ideal reforms in the homeland.

So to hear trump talk about his idea for caps in interest rates for college debts and forgiveness after 20 years? It made me feel a slight....tiny glimmer of hope that his campaign was an act and that he is a person underneath all that wrinkled orange skin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/

IMHO any president to be successful and truly represent the people needs to lead from closer to the middle. To far left or right and too many people are alienated. I believe he will be more of a moderate than the campaign Donald Trump.

 

[columbus]

What kind of position is this? Vote Trump and then pray he lied about literally everything?

This is what it looks like to me.
By and large, Trump supporters seem to only agree on one thing. The Trump who ran for office is not the Trump who will run the country.

Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Honestly, I don't see Trump or Hillary being much better than the other. The only real advantage of Hillary was the Supreme Court nominations.
But, seriously, Trump supporters are scaring me more than Trump, and Pence worries me more than all of them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With that I'm afraid that it will discriminate based on illness but hopeful it won't. From what I hear people will be losing coverage but can always go private.

I've suddenly become glad that the state has labeled me "medically frail," because it means they can't yank my insurance from me.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

What kind of position is this? Vote Trump and then pray he lied about literally everything?
You are pretty much agreeing that he is a sociopath who will say anything to further his own interests.

That'll be why things get worse than we thought, if anything. Look at who h's thinking of choosing:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/what-donald-trumps-cabinet-might-look-like

Bolton and Gingrich for secretary of state? Carson for education? Jesus Christ...

There is no hope with Trump in office, because he will be surrounded by extreme right wingers and corporate lobbyists - all of whom will feed his ego and make him pursue horrible and destructive paths.

Sorry mate, but you are being insanely naive here. He's not going to listen to the people.

This is a thread about how I hope I am wrong about Trump. I didn't vote for him nor am I advocating him as even a passible choice for president. I just hope that some good can come out of it. I haven't bet any money on him thats for sure.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is what it looks like to me.
By and large, Trump supporters seem to only agree on one thing. The Trump who ran for office is not the Trump who will run the country.

Tom

With Trump's continued flopping, I've pretty much given up on trying to predict how the next four years will go. If the Dems play their cards right, they can turn this into a monumental gain, far bigger than had Hillary won. But, given how they are running around like chickens with their head's cut off, I'm not hopeful they are even aware Trump actually does support a number of Left-wing causes, and can probably be moved to an even further Socially Libertarian position, especially if it will help his chances of reelection, which it would.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump hasn't done anything yet. It's all brainstorming.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But, seriously, Trump supporters are scaring me more than Trump, and Pence worries me more than all of them.

Please post why you say Pence worries you more than all of them.
Anyone else agree ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Please post why you say Pence worries you more than all of them.
Anyone else agree ?

Here is a starter. He is a religious zealolt nut job hell bent on making it legal to discriminate against gays.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...oring-hes-one-americas-most-extreme-governors

 

[1137]

Trump seems to be quickly stumbling over himself to the left.

 

[columbus]

Trump seems to be quickly stumbling over himself to the left.

Rather reminds me of Obama in 2009 stumbling over himself in a dive to the right.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Please post why you say Pence worries you more than all of them.
Anyone else agree ?

Because Pence is a career politician and those of us he has "represented" know him very well.
Tom