Hopes for another?

[Jimmy]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter? Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore? Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

 

[Orbit]

I think most Americans believe in vengeance rather than rehabilitation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter? Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore? Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

Neither and both.

I like the concept of exile and let raw nature take care of them. I'm talking remote isolated wilderness or islands here.

 

[Quintessence]

I think most Americans believe in vengeance rather than rehabilitation.

On what basis to you make this unseemly assumption? Let's look at some actual data:

10 facts about the death penalty in the U.S.
Americans divided over how much time prisoners should spend behind bars | Pew Research Center

Basically, this is only true if you're in certain subgroups.

 

[stvdv]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter?

IMO:

Horrific crimes usually are committed by persons who "are" narcissistic, psychopathic or sociopathic

Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore?

People who "are" narcissistic are known to never say sorry, nor admit they were wrong (probably due to childhood trauma)

Hence I am more practical here. I expect them to not really change (they can of course fake to have changed, to fool the judge and avoid punishment)

Karma idea I like, so one day "they" will get the proper treatment and change, but not in this life

Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

Not that they should, but maybe that is needed. And if so, I believe it might happen (in another life)

 

[Twilight Hue]

.....

Karma idea I like, so one day "they" will get the proper treatment and change, but not in this life


Not that they should, but maybe that is needed. And if so, I believe it might happen (in another life)

I resonate with karma in terms that one day your the cat, next day your the mouse.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter? Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore? Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

I'm not sure how anyone could no longer feel guilty over something so evil. I'm not sure they should ever get over it.
I support the death penalty in such cases. I think giving a life for other innocent lives is justice.

 

[sun rise]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter? Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore? Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

They will experience a karmic balancing in one way or another.

 

[Orbit]

On what basis to you make this unseemly assumption? Let's look at some actual data:

10 facts about the death penalty in the U.S.
Americans divided over how much time prisoners should spend behind bars | Pew Research Center

Basically, this is only true if you're in certain subgroups.

It's based on teaching college students in Sociology and Criminal Justice courses, who pretty much vote for vengeance when prison reform is brought up.

 

[George-ananda]

Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore?

Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

I'll take the first option that they heal. Hey, mental disorders are a spectrum everyone experiences.

What sadist would prefer the second. And that selection may be showing their own mental unwellness.

 

[Jimmy]

Tough crowd except for George ananda

 

[stvdv]

I resonate with karma in terms that one day your the cat, next day your the mouse.

I like that

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Neither and both.

I like the concept of exile and let raw nature take care of them. I'm talking remote isolated wilderness or islands here.

So they can form tribes and return to civilization to retaliate?

 

[Quintessence]

It's based on teaching college students in Sociology and Criminal Justice courses, who pretty much vote for vengeance when prison reform is brought up.

Interesting. Not representative of the full population, but what that says about the type of person who goes to those fields is... disturbing. Not all that surprising to me, to be honest. The kids with hearts who want to do good things tend to gravitate towards helping professions and their associated majors. I see pretty much the opposite as you working with lots of students who are pre-med/health.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So they can form tribes and return to civilization to retaliate?

I said isolated.

Like thousands of miles from any civilization. Just their shirt and underwear in a vast land of predators. Islands can have coconut crabs and monitor lizards.

A tribe might find its own laws like we do. If an isolated individual can ever find a mate of course.

If they survive, they might have a new found appreciation for the society they harmed. A value for civilization.

That's where the rehabilitation kicks in. Otherwise, its a poetic execution.

 

[osgart]

They should get what they deserve. As far as legal punishment goes they should not see freedom ever again in this world. Hatred is a real problem. That's what horrific crimes are; acts of hatred.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What kind of person are you?

What kind of person am I? For one thing, I don't expect him to ever be a better person than an unrepentant, psychopathic, white supremacist. And it doesn't matter if he ever changes, since he'll not see the light of day again. But how much do I want him to suffer? I also don't care about that - just that he's off the streets. More damaged American goods.

But I'm pretty numb to America's gun problems by now. I feel empathy for decent people trapped in that world, but they won't be getting any relief any time soon, and they'll simply have to accept one or two mass shootings a day indefinitely or leave America for a safer life if that's an option. The reasons to do that keep accumulating, especially if you're relatively young and can live in a Western socialist democracy other than the States, where you'll earn cradle to grave benefits for your labor, and can expect democracy to be more stable and people to be more humane.

Also, their governments don't appear to be paralyzed like the Americans. You see people on the news every evening asking how many must die before something is done. A lot more. Why? Because the people who care are disempowered and the people with power don't care who dies, and much of the voting public is in support of the status quo. They want unfettered access to weapons and don't care what happens to others. You asked what kind of a person I am. Not that kind.

I saw both Biden and Michigan governor Whitmer pleading for relief on last night's news. A president and a governor, both stymied. They are way outmatched.

 

[Mock Turtle]

What kind of person are you? Regarding people who commit horrific crimes? ie. The Buffalo shooter? Do you hope that they can fully accept and feel bad for what they've done and ultimately heal and generally not feel bad anymore? Or do you think they should experience misery and torment for the rest of their days?

It's difficult to judge others, especially when we might not know the trajectory of their lives, but those who can repent and change probably should be given the opportunity to do so. But so many will have committed crimes that very few could forgive, and this will no doubt play a role in any rehabilitation that might be considered or undertaken.

For myself, it is not my business to be a judge as to others, even though of course I will try to understand and often condemn that which might harm others. I'm not one for believing that the death penalty has any use in a civilised society, especially the revenge aspect, and often it strikes me that those who do want such - especially for some offences - have a gaping hole in their morality. For example, when exceptions are made - when a more charitable and empathetic approach might be considered for many other offences. The major one and being rather obvious, is the general attitude towards any labelled as being a paedophile. Even though in the same breath they might add that they are sick - but not deserving of any treatment, therapy, or whatever is needed to rehabilitate them seemingly.

But, many will never be capable of rehabilitation and probably the safest place for all is life imprisonment for them.