How about we defund UNRWA ?

[Aupmanyav]

To me, Catholic theology resolves world peace.

Did it stop WW I or II? Did it stop Russia-Ukranian war?
Which war was avoided or stopped by Catholic theology?
And what about the tortures Catholic theology caused to people around the world?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"How about we defund UNRWA?"

I think not just UNRWA, but the whole UN edifice (except perhaps for UNICEF) should be defunded and dissolved. It does not serve any purpose and is highly wasteful. The building could be utilized for some other purpose.

Yeah, Stephen. Thanks for the appreciation of my post.
Perhaps Catholics can establish a peace office in the building used by UN (at least India would not be asked to pay up. India is one of the countries which always pays UN dues in time. I do not think even US does that).

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Recently @oldbadger asked how we could end the conflict in Israel and Gaza?

Here's an interesting take:

- Eliminate UNRWA, since it's really not doing what it was supposed to be doing.
- Provide aid ONLY for those Palestinians who relinquish their refugee status and declare they will not pursue a "right of return".

As a bit of history, Palestinians have now claimed to be "refugees" for 75 years! Across the globe, 10s of millions of refugees from other conflicts have moved to a new home and dropped their refugee status. Why not the Palestinians? Well, UNRWA has been using its funds to help keep the violent "right of return" dream alive.

Rather better to defund all aid to the Israelis.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

Support all becoming one.

To me, Support of the faith is the new Exodus for the Israelites of today united as One in Being in the new temple of the new living sacrifice in the new temple, the body of Christ becoming again in all mankind into the image of the creator and One God for the One Father through the love of the One Mother.

To me the choice becomes for all, did He fulfill the living sacrifice to save all through death and dissension to the chasm of Bosom of Abraham crossing over to the chasm of death and closing it forever with His Own Flesh and resurrection glorified, and transfigured, the first born of all creation back to heaven and redeeming life eternal through the flesh for all mankind or not?



To me, the US needs to follow the will of the father, and we cannot judge, but only ourselves.

To me, the UN separated, to a two state Israel in Jerusalem, Palestinians, and Jews and not what Jesus ordered.

I could be wrong, but Pope Francis should agree as would Saint Peter, who now sits on Moses’ seat.

I follow the rationale of world order heaven and don’t really understand world order earth completely.

And intellectuals have the ability to pick and choose from the failed intelligence from the failed spirit.

To me, we are manifested becoming in the last date or condition of the selected spirit to become again confirmed in the image of the intelligence. Yes Lord, let it come to me your will, and not mine.

Basically, we ask all who is the eternal mother that makes us brothers and sisters with all mankind. There is only one force that can unite all men come together through one son for one father for one God. One love.

Peace always,
Stephen
Catholic

 

[Godobeyer]

I can't imagine how, how much Israel evil.

Video show Palestinian children remedy on flood, no bed or medical equipments.
I just upload from Telegram "israel's crimes" to my youtube channel.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

To me, The autonomy of the spirit is to be able to stand immortal and incorruptible and self righteous and justified in the face of God for glorification and transfiguration becoming the image of the creator, and one God for the one father through the love of the one mother in her one son becoming again, all mankind, sons and daughters of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Godobeyer]

Rather better to defund all aid to the Israelis.

Palestinian children remedy on floor, no medical equipments, what human we are living with!!

 

[muhammad_isa]

I think not just UNRWA, but the whole UN edifice (except perhaps for UNICEF) should be defunded and dissolved..

That's absurd. International law depends on it.
Who is to say which states are internationally recognized (or not), without such a framework?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Recently @oldbadger asked how we could end the conflict in Israel and Gaza?

Here's an interesting take:

- Eliminate UNRWA, since it's really not doing what it was supposed to be doing.
- Provide aid ONLY for those Palestinians who relinquish their refugee status and declare they will not pursue a "right of return".

As a bit of history, Palestinians have now claimed to be "refugees" for 75 years! Across the globe, 10s of millions of refugees from other conflicts have moved to a new home and dropped their refugee status. Why not the Palestinians? Well, UNRWA has been using its funds to help keep the violent "right of return" dream alive.

How about moving the UN and all it's agencies out of the USA and into say Singapore, well away from western hegemony. And at the same time remove all countries vetos.

Establish new funding in proportion to every countries GDP. with loss of speaking and voting rights unless paid up. Voting rights should also be suspended while in contravention of a UN decisions, that have not been complied with.

The UN should also have the power to apply specified trade and financial embargoes to enforce it's decisions on obdurate countries. Or on countries that refuse to join or support it.

A UN without teeth is useless.

 

[icehorse]

A good start would be the wikipedia page.. Israel_Hamas_war - Wikipedia

..and again, why do the Israelis refuse entry to the occupied territories for journalists?

That's a so-so article, better than some, but its bias is clearly showing. It uses the UN and its various offshoots as "authorities", and of course the whole point of this thread is to claim that the UN has been corrupted.

To me the point is to try to avoid appeals to authority and stick to evidence and logic.

As to your question about refusing journalists - it seems clear to me that most of the MSM, for whatever reasons, consistently soft pedals the threat of Islamism and in so doing ends up being anti-semetic. And this soft pedaling goes way past just Israel. Somehow Islamists have managed to do a fine job corrupting the MSM so that it doesn't honestly report on the massive problems of Islamism throughout the world.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

To me, it appears the UN has separated Israel into the Jewish state and Palestinian State. This splits them not only politically but religiously, and we side them politically only but they say we saw them religiously.

What UN is doing Is siding one side politically while Israel and Palestine are fighting a war one side religiously and one sides mad at us for back in the other side religiously. On YouTube Netanyahu says he’s fighting a holy war. And UN are backing them politically.

If it’s unity, he came to create what is corrupt.
Wikipedia? YouTube?

And we know not to judge, but only ourselves.

 

[Kathryn]

Yeah, Stephen. Thanks for the appreciation of my post.
Perhaps Catholics can establish a peace office in the building used by UN (at least India would not be asked to pay up. India is one of the countries which always pays UN dues in time. I do not think even US does that).

The US pays the highest percentage of all countries at 22 percent of the UN budget.

Visualize the World’s Funding for the United Nations

President Trump frequently criticizes how little money other countries spend on global institutions like the UN. Our visualization lets you compare American financial support for the UN with the rest of the world.

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[Aupmanyav]

Who is to say which states are internationally recognized (or not), without such a framework?

Who cares about whether a state is recognized or not. Taiwan is not recognized by many and so is Afghnistan, bu that does not prove a problem in their existence. We have excellent relations with both.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The US pays the highest percentage of all countries at 22 percent of the UN budget.

Visualize the World’s Funding for the United Nations

President Trump frequently criticizes how little money other countries spend on global institutions like the UN. Our visualization lets you compare American financial support for the UN with the rest of the world.

howmuch.net

I was talking about regularity of payment.

 

[Kathryn]

I was talking about regularity of payment.

I know but still to me it is worth pointing out.

I think the latest figures are from 2022, and the US paid around 22 percent of the UN budget, which is a way higher percentage than other countries.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..it seems clear to me that most of the MSM, for whatever reasons, consistently soft pedals the threat of Islamism and in so doing ends up being anti-semetic.

It seems to me that the MSM is largely controlled by the Israeli lobby, and if that statement
itself is anti-semetic, than I'm an anti-semite.

..but I'm not .. many Jews in the west do not agree with MSM .. but of course, according to
Zionists, they are "self-hating Jews".

In other words, it's all an illusion that the Israeli lobby purposefully creates, in order for them to
achieve their goals of a Greater Israel.

Somehow Islamists have managed to do a fine job corrupting the MSM so that it doesn't honestly report on the massive problems of Islamism throughout the world.

What nonsense. They do not allow journalists in to the occupied territories FULL STOP.
Are you claiming that all journalists are biased towards Muslims? If that is the case, then why
don't we see this in MSM?
Western MSM is journalism, and if all they can report is "what the Israelis tell them", then that is all we
get. If they could report for themselves .. but they do not want these images on MSM, and
it is obvious why. It doesn't suit their agenda.
..nor your agenda, for that matter .. you wish to demonize people's and nations as so as to
oppress them. Good luck on that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Who cares about whether a state is recognized or not.

I do. I care about international opinion, and peace.

 

[icehorse]

It seems to me that the MSM is largely controlled by the Israeli lobby, and if that statement
itself is anti-semetic, than I'm an anti-semite.

I wouldn't say it's an anti-semetic claim, but I would say it's an extraordinary claim and so it seems to me you need extremely good evidence..

got any?

What nonsense. They do not allow journalists in to the occupied territories FULL STOP.
Are you claiming that all journalists are biased towards Muslims? If that is the case, then why
don't we see this in MSM?
Western MSM is journalism, and if all they can report is "what the Israelis tell them", then that is all we
get. If they could report for themselves .. but they do not want these images on MSM, and
it is obvious why. It doesn't suit their agenda.
..nor your agenda, for that matter .. you wish to demonize people's and nations as so as to
oppress them. Good luck on that.

Again, I'm zooming out to the western world, way past focusing on Israel and Gaza.

I'll give you one example of the western MSM going easy on Islamism: Europe has a huge Muslim immigration problem and most of Europe's "journalists" won't be honest about that. When people bring the problem up they are often labeled "Islamophobic" or "racist", when in fact being critical of Islam and theocracy is neither of those things.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I wouldn't say it's an anti-semetic claim, but I would say it's an extraordinary claim..

I wouldn't .. you would agree that MSM is owned by somebody .. yes?
After all, the corporate world is owned by less than 1% of the population.

That, in itself, is a huge sign of corruption .. so much for democracy .. the US has become
a kind of autocracy, in reality, with celebrity actors hired to head it.

It is like Russia in this respect, but attempt to hide it from view, ruled by oligarchs.
Nay, worse than Russia .. corrupt to its core.

I'll give you one example of the western MSM going easy on Islamism: Europe has a huge Muslim immigration problem and most of Europe's "journalists" won't be honest about that. When people bring the problem up they are often labeled "Islamophobic" or "racist", when in fact being critical of Islam and theocracy is neither of those things.

That is a very bigoted view of things .. that billions of people in the world are somehow
"guilty" or immoral .. it's very arrogant, and as they say "pride comes before a fall" .

 

[icehorse]

earlier you said: "It seems to me that the MSM is largely controlled by the Israeli lobby, and if that statement
itself is anti-semetic, than I'm an anti-semite."

and then you said: "

I wouldn't .. you would agree that MSM is owned by somebody .. yes?
After all, the corporate world is owned by less than 1% of the population.

That, in itself, is a huge sign of corruption .. so much for democracy .. the US has become
a kind of autocracy, in reality, with celebrity actors hired to head it.

It is like Russia in this respect, but attempt to hide it from view, ruled by oligarchs.
Nay, worse than Russia .. corrupt to its core.

Frequently on RF I have made strong, urgent, first-order criticisms of how the whole world is now an Oligarchy. I'm with you, oligarchies are horrible and have led to massive WORLD WIDE corruption. The West is corrupt, the East is corrupt and Islam is corrupt.

In terms of ranking severe problems my ranking - in order of urgency and importance - is something like:

1 - ecological overshoot (climate change is just a symptom)
2 - the world wide oligarchy (because they block any attempts to tackle overshoot)
3 - Islamists
4 - social media
5 - magical thinking (almost all religions)
6 - attacks on free speech