Secret Chief
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I know! And elites aren't mentioned in every post. Worrying really.
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How Africa is being exploited by banking élites. How US Democrats are on the wrong side.
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Nationalsozialismus.
The real name...
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
The real world:
"Nazism is a form of fascism"
Nazism - Wikipedia
Only a supporter of fascism would say otherwise.
I am not a fascist.
I just say that National Socialism was Socialism. Period.
There are very bad, genocidal forms of socialism, as you can see.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
No, it wasn't as demonstrated above in my post. As understood to be the case by everyone, except supporters of fascism.
Why do you think Nazism is described as being fascist by everyone except fascists?
If you answer please try to avoid using
1. "elite/s"
2. Soros
3.
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Ok..you win. Nazis are fascists.No, it wasn't as demonstrated above in my post. As understood to be the case by everyone, except supporters of fascism.
Why do you think Nazism is described as being fascist by everyone except fascists?
If you answer please try to avoid using
1. "elite/s"
2. Soros
3.
Can you stay on topic and express your opinion on Meloni's video?
Thank you.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
China is not doing it out of the goodwill of their heart.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, that's a fact just as it's a fact they weren't socialists and Hitler hated the socialist part of the name being there. They weren't socialists, they even killed socialists, and the Third Riech was aware of this discrepancy between the name and their policy amd goals.
Even if there had been some kind of "decolonization process," the damage was pretty much irreversible. One issue was that the borders of the newly independent African nations were drawn willy-nilly and with little regard to historical territories as they were prior to colonialism.
Yes, but the point is that our nations have grown so accustomed to gaining wealth through exploitation, war, and murder that our leaders can't think of any other way. Maybe there is no other way. Capitalists claim that it's all about "human nature," and that socialism is doomed to fail because it goes against human nature.
But if this is what human nature is all about, then who's kidding whom when they speak of "freedom" and "democracy"? Can't have it both ways.
Yes, that's what I've been saying. The problem was never "the border," but what lies beyond the border. But the other reason for building prosperity and better relations with Latin America is that it makes good geopolitical sense. By neglecting and abusing our neighbors as we have done, we have caused them to resent us to the point where our adversaries are looking better in their eyes.
Capitalists say that it's all about human nature and that to the winner go the spoils. That's the only "meaning" that they can derive from the human condition. Socialists have tried to think beyond that and envision a world of cooperation, unity, equality, and fraternity. Nationalists and fascists are similar to capitalists in that they derive their principles from natural law and hold the same belief that "to the winner go the spoils."
The West has adopted the same basic practices originated by men like Napoleon III and Bismarck. Mainly, they supported liberal capitalism with social programs in their homeland, while behaving nationalistically and imperialistically towards those outside of their homeland. Britain and the U.S. have operated similarly, which has allowed them to show the world how "free" they are, even while they screw everyone behind the scenes.
Not exactly a martyr. Germany was an upstart, thinking they could take on France, Britain, and Russia. Just like a young gunfighter entering a saloon wanting to challenge the more established and famous gunfighters. And surprisingly, Germany got the upper hand on all of them to the point where they had to scream "Uncle Sam, come save us!"
This is indicative of the mentalities of both capitalists and nationalists. They refuse to share with the peasants, and they refuse to share with each other. The fight each other instead. Britain and France were too greedy, and they ended up losing their empires and becoming second fiddle to the United States just to save their bacon. Of course, the U.S. capitalists were more than happy to help out and expand their power and influence over the world. That's what led us to where we are now.
Think of it: If Britain, France, and Germany could have simply gotten together and made a deal, they could have ruled the world together and shut out the U.S. and Russia entirely. But because they were greedy capitalists and imperialists, they simply could not bring themselves to do that, and ended up self-sabotaging their nations and empires.
We seem to be heading in the same direction now. Capitalist greed will end in the self-destruction of the West.
The U.S. still has a few as well, such as Guam, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico. I think there was a referendum in Puerto Rico a while back about independence, but it seems the people are content with their current status as a U.S. commonwealth.
Ultimately, capitalists are driven towards self-destruction. And with nationalism on the rise lately, I'm not sure if capitalists will fight them or join up with them. Either way, the malignancy of both nationalism and capitalism will be revealed, and in the end, socialism will come out smelling like a rose. It'll probably be some radioactive wasteland, but I'm certain the people who are left will likely form a socialist society.
No.
Hillary's email says otherwise.
Germany too:I can promise you that the worst exploiters have been Britain and France.
The worst crimes were committed by them.
So Europeans is a quite broad term.
Germany asks forgiveness for Tanzania colonial crimes
German forces killed almost 300,000 people during the Maji Maji rebellion in the early 1900s.
German doctors conducted some pretty brutal medical experiments and the indigenous people in West Africa during the colonial period :
"Sterilisation experiments in German South-West Africa (now part of Namibia): Late 1800s–1910s
editEugen Fischer conducted sterilisation experiments on Herero women in German South-West Africa (now Namibia, less Walvis Bay etc.) in the early 1900s.[1][6] His experimentation was largely done on mixed-race offspring in order to provide justification to ban mixed-race marriages.[7] *
Medical experimentation in Africa - Wikipedia
From Google AI overview:
"In 1906, a German scientist set up a "concentration camp" for East Africans to treat sleeping sickness with Atoxyl, an arsenic-based reagent. Atoxyl was known to cause blindness, pain, and death".
I wanted to point out that no one's safe.Germany too:
Germany asks forgiveness for Tanzania colonial crimes
German forces killed almost 300,000 people during the Maji Maji rebellion in the early 1900s.www.google.com
German doctors conducted some pretty brutal medical experiments and the indigenous people in West Africa during the colonial period :
"Sterilisation experiments in German South-West Africa (now part of Namibia): Late 1800s–1910s
edit
Eugen Fischer conducted sterilisation experiments on Herero women in German South-West Africa (now Namibia, less Walvis Bay etc.) in the early 1900s.[1][6] His experimentation was largely done on mixed-race offspring in order to provide justification to ban mixed-race marriages.[7] *
Medical experimentation in Africa - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
From Google AI overview:
"In 1906, a German scientist set up a "concentration camp" for East Africans to treat sleeping sickness with Atoxyl, an arsenic-based reagent. Atoxyl was known to cause blindness, pain, and death".
I can mention the crimes against humanity committed by Italians in Ethiopia. I didn't mean to say that all other Europeans are saints.
But France did anything to keep its colonial empire, by waging wars, like that of Algeria.
Germany and Italy immediately renounced their colonies.
As for Britain...we are speaking of India, Oceania, Australia, ...not only of Africa.
The article does not deal with many topics. It eludes many questions.
First what seigniorage is, secondly the link between GDP and money issued by a Central Bank.
Thirdly, low inflation can be detrimental in a developping country because money needs to be spent by people.
A very small quantity of circulating money causes poverty because all the money will be possessed by the élites of that African country.
I am sorry...but you need to answer what seigniorage is, before trying to disprove Meloni's claims.
And also this question: do these country have a Central Bank? A National Bank?
Like the National Bank of Ivory Coast.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Just to point out / clarify... I said that that is up to the citizens of the authoritarian nations...
There's this legend tale (likely fictional) about a Roman slave of Ceasar's daughter Julia, who participated in a slave uprising and was about to be executed. Julia tried to save him by freeing him so that he would no longer be a slave.
He declined and stated "Freedom is not something that can be given to you. It's something you have to take for yourself"
In every country where the west "forced" democracy / freedom upon a nation through the barrel of a gun, it never really ended well.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
In other words, you side with France in its decision to apply legalized usury on a dozen of African countries?
You know why Macron Le BonBon hates Putin?
That's not even remotely close to what he said.
Right, right....
If you want to call "taking over through the barrel of a gun with the use of wagner mercenaries"... "helping"...
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Putin is using those mines to fund an illegal invasion of one of its sovereign neighbours.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Ow yes, let's have another round where you pretend to speak for all italians.
I bet that if we ask 100 meloni voters who Soros is, at least 75 of them wouldn't have a clue.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Just because they name themselves, doesn't mean anything.
N Korea names itself the democratic republic.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
The mail you quoted wasn't a mail from hillary. It was a mail TO hillary.
Having said that.... you might want to read the actual resolution 1973 which was presented and voted in the UN Security Council.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Ok, then stop mentioning it since I have no clue what, or rather who, you are on about.
Such vaguery is unhelpfull and it is starting to smell like deflection also.
So either give me a name or find another "argument".
Then it sounds like she is just honestly wrong.
And I want a unicorn to ride the rainbow.
First, you can stop speaking french. I'm flemmish.The problem is that the difference between Meloni and Macron is the same difference between a strong populism winning in Europe and a system run by banking élites rotting from the inside.
Meloni was born in a proletarian neighborhood, while Macron in a very elitist milieu. He has always been part of the élite.
In Italy if you say :" I belong to the élites and I am proud of it," nobody will vote for you for the next 80 years. Your heirs will be voted out too.
In Belgium if you say: J'appartiens aux élites et j'en suis fière... even the poor vote for you.
n'est-ce pas, mon chou?
Secondly, you should really stop pretending you can speak for other people.