How and why did you reject christ?

[Unveiled Artist]

I rejected Christ because the Bible is scientifically disproven and according to the scholar DM Murdock, Rabbi Jesus is a fictional character who never actually existed.

Thanks. If you had a relationship (?) was it a clean break away from the idea you maybe once thought of as true? Was it gradual?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I already like this "chief".

I met a Master once, who said 'Just follow my Teachings, no need to mention my name'.

I like that. It's interesting that these sound normal to religious teachings but other topics there's always a copyright. Maybe humility is a good habit to keep up even when it comes to the words we "think" we own. (Unfortunately, authors wouldn't like that comment too much. I so understand.)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You're just not too bright, are you? By suggesting that she define what she meant when a word was used I WAS asking her to help me understand. Saying 'I think you should'; is NOT DEMANDING anything, it's a SUGGESTION.

I think you need to go climb back under your rock, because you're just looking for reasons to feel insulted.

It's a very simple point

1. Answer if it applies to you.
2. Don't answer if it does not
3. If you want to ask questions if you need clarification
4. Debate the answer not the question.

Everything else is pretty irrelevant now. Ya'll already butchered it.

Shadow Wolf is pretty much saying the same thing. Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Shad]

Did you once have a relationship with christ and rejected him?

There was never a relationship.

Do you hear voices in your head?

Those who have or had will understand the nature of the question and the word relationship (which does NOT need to be in caps), while others to whom it doesn't apply, most likely will not understand the question.

No true scotsman fallacy all based on your own view.

Do you hear voices in your head?

All christians, I shall say safetly, are not talking to god in their heads.

So they are talking to no one.

They do have a relationship between two entities and communicate with him as such.

There is no relationship.

Are you now hearing voices in your head?

Whether one's bias belittles the nature of this of this communication or not, the point remains the same.

Hilarious. You babble about bias while your distortion and counter-point stink of bias. Try again. You have no point. The only question is if you are hearing voices in your head or not and if you have a dictionary.

 

[Wandering Monk]

How do the two relate?

Goosebumps = an emotional encounter with Jesus that is supposed to change your life.

Godlessness = ditching Jesus because reasons

 

[QuestioningMind]

It's a very simple point

1. Answer if it applies to you.
2. Don't answer if it does not
3. If you want to ask questions if you need clarification
4. Debate the answer not the question.

Everything else is pretty irrelevant now. Ya'll already butchered it.

Shadow Wolf is pretty much saying the same thing. Everything else is irrelevant.

It's a very simple point

1. Answer if it applies to you. I didn't know if it applied to me, because I wasn't sure is you were defining 'reject' to mean reject Jesus as savior or reject Jesus as being real.
2. Don't answer if it does not See previous response
3. If you want to ask questions if you need clarification I did ask for clarification by suggesting that it would helpful if you were to clarify how you were defining reject.
4. Debate the answer not the question. I didn't debate any answers, I simply asked for clarification about how you were defining reject, since I noticed from the responses that it seemed like some others were confused about it as well.

Everything else is pretty irrelevant now. Ya'll already butchered it. I honestly don't know what you think I butchered. I was genuinely just trying to make a helpful suggestion. I'm certain that it was obvious to you what you were asking and probably to those you were targeting the question to. However, I noticed that some of your respondents were confused... people who you didn't intend to target your question to didn't understand what you meant by reject and were responding anyway. I suggested that you need to clarify exactly what you meant in your OP, so that you wouldn't have confused people you weren't targeting responding and apparently 'butchering' your thread.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is so funny.

There was never a relationship.

Do you hear voices in your head?

No. Of course not. I never thought believers have either. I'm just not that rude to call their spiritual communication (as with other religions that have some form of communication with their god(s)) as just "voices" in their heads. That's silly.

No true scotsman fallacy all based on your own view.

Do you hear voices in your head?

In other words, if you never had a relationship with christ, this question isn't for you.

Hilarious. You babble about bias while your distortion and counter-point stink of bias. Try again. You have no point. The only question is if you are hearing voices in your head or not and if you have a dictionary.

Distortions?

I'm an athiest. I don't talk to god(s) and never have had a spiritual connection with god. The difference is I don't insult people who do have a relationship with their gods. If anything, both sides tend to not like each other.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1. Answer if it applies to you. I didn't know if it applied to me, because I wasn't sure is you were defining 'reject' to mean reject Jesus as savior or reject Jesus as being real.

I answered the question of rejection. I can't remember your reply.

3. If you want to ask questions if you need clarification I did ask for clarification by suggesting that it would helpful if you were to clarify how you were defining reject.

I can't remember now. You (guys) are argue the question so much that I give up. RF disease I suppose.

4. Debate the answer not the question. I didn't debate any answers, I simply asked for clarification about how you were defining reject, since I noticed from the responses that it seemed like some others were confused about it as well.

Ok....

Everything else is pretty irrelevant now. Ya'll already butchered it. I honestly don't know what you think I butchered. I was genuinely just trying to make a helpful suggestion. I'm certain that it was obvious to you what you were asking and probably to those you were targeting the question to. However, I noticed that some of your respondents were confused... people who you didn't intend to target your question to didn't understand what you meant by reject and were responding anyway. I suggested that you need to clarify exactly what you meant in your OP, so that you wouldn't have confused people you weren't targeting responding and apparently 'butchering' your thread.

Ya'll is "you all." Still got a little country in me, if VA is a country state. Depends.

Well. I'm glad @Shadow Wolf picked it up too. 'Cause sometimes it gets me all boggled up and when I point it out, more arguements and I forget my question and answers. Then, when everything is so mixed up 5 pages later, everyone argues among themselves.

Who knows why.

 

[osgart]

Utter silence and the comic book type stories in the Bible. I love sci fi, and fantasy and that's what the Bible shows itself to be.

When Jesus in Matthew refers to the days of Noah I felt like it was a good time to put away the Bible.

The Jesus story seemed like it has some reality to it. Mainly the Lord's prayer, sermon on the Mt., and the crucifixion. But mostly it turned up to be nonsensical with some profound meanings sprinkled into it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No true scotsman fallacy all based on your own view.

It's not a true scotsman. It's something you either know or you don't. Like a Jeopardy question/answer. For many Christians and Apostates, the language and meaning are clear and obvious. It's like when I debate a fundamentalist who dismisses me for not understanding for not having that relationship, but I used to have it. When the OP is asking why we rejected that relationship, it's accurate for us because, yes, we had that level of belief that we had a personal relationship with Christ. That's a part of the belief, and to us is known and understood.
Too use more common terminology, think of relationship as a term of jargon in this situation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I just wanted to add that I do at times miss my former religion, especially around the holidays. I miss the liturgy because of its beauty and how it made me feel. I miss the icons and meditative prayer. I miss a lot of it. But I can't really bring myself to believe in it. I try but then I just get thrown off it again.

 

[Rival]

I just wanted to add that I do at times miss my former religion, especially around the holidays. I miss the liturgy because of its beauty and how it made me feel. I miss the icons and meditative prayer. I miss a lot of it. But I can't really bring myself to believe in it. I try but then I just get thrown off it again.

I wonder if you could maybe fit what Muslims call a Hanif, during your more monotheistic inclinations?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I wonder if you could maybe fit what Muslims call a Hanif, during your more monotheistic inclinations?

Maybe. I do know that when I'm really afraid, it's usually God I turn to, like when this lockdown stuff started happening.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I just wanted to add that I do at times miss my former religion, especially around the holidays. I miss the liturgy because of its beauty and how it made me feel. I miss the icons and meditative prayer. I miss a lot of it. But I can't really bring myself to believe in it. I try but then I just get thrown off it again.

Likewise

 

[Luna Marie]

Why did you reject christ after having a genuine personal relationship with and his god?

1 . I was raised christian , my family went to church when I was little . However they weren't really religious if you know what I mean . My family didn't follow a specific denomination , however where we were there was only one church which was baptist . ( Btw what i'm about to say is not to offend anyone that's baptist this is just my personal experience . ) I had horrible experiences there , I was very young . Despite this the bible classes had very heavy subjects like hell , and in all stories that shouldn't be taught to kids about the bible . But of course at the young age I was even though the stories were terrible I believed them , because adults were saying they were true . I was religious when I was a child and prayed every night , and felt as though I had a genuine relationship with that God . However when I grew older the subject of Hell became the main point of why I was still christian . And i felt the weight of the world on my shoulders to make sure no one went to hell . It ruined my mental health at a very young age . Around the same time I started to read bible stories and realized I could write an entire book on things that didn't make since to me , and the questions I had . So I left and that's really it .

Did you have a conversation with him (if you had a genuine relationship with christ before) and told me hey, see ya? or had a deep talk of departure?

2 . Kind of I said Goodbye , I felt to do so since it was a huge part of my life , and was very important to me for a long time . Also It would help me move on , and work on myself .




( Christ, I can kinda understand, because he was a human flesh and blood.) I personally believe that ''christ'' could have been a real person . Just not the son of God , possibly a wise man . I believe his teachings were abused for power and control over society .


( The more I worshiped, the less I worshiped. It was an intense feeling of "this isn't right for you.)
I understand I went through the same thing after a while , I just had this inner voice that was like , Why am I even doing this anymore .



( I can't believe in human sacrifice. ) -This was a huge thing for me and why I left , I simply could not except that God needed blood shed for forgiveness ,

 

[BilliardsBall]

There are quite a few on this board who rejected christ for lack of evidence or personal experience with the church or people. Reject is a strong word. I don't mind using it because I did reject christ (the Church) and did so appropriately but not apologetically. Catholics (my experience) aren't really big about rejection because once you baptized they feel god may bring you back. Fundamentalist are a different sort.

In person, I've only met one atheist who said she didn't want to go back to christianity. It was because of upbringing. I don't know any person who actually had a relationship and literally walk away. I'm wondering if it in part has to do with guilt. Some people have to wane off of christ because of what they were taught.

If you don't know one person who walked away from a relationship with Christ, that is telling, to me, that Christianity (as born agains say) is about relationship and not religion.

 

[Shad]

It's not a true scotsman. It's something you either know or you don't. Like a Jeopardy question/answer. For many Christians and Apostates, the language and meaning are clear and obvious. It's like when I debate a fundamentalist who dismisses me for not understanding for not having that relationship, but I used to have it. When the OP is asking why we rejected that relationship, it's accurate for us because, yes, we had that level of belief that we had a personal relationship with Christ. That's a part of the belief, and to us is known and understood.

Which is a distortion of the word as I said while assuming because I do not use the word like you do I did not have any similar experiences.

Too use more common terminology, think of relationship as a term of jargon in this situation.

Distortion of words to mean something outside the definition of that word. It is a nice way of covering up talking to yourself in your head and getting emotional over a bronze age text.

 

[Wandering Monk]

If you don't know one person who walked away from a relationship with Christ, that is telling, to me, that Christianity (as born agains say) is about relationship and not religion.

What is telling is your implicit 'No True Scotsman.'

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you don't know one person who walked away from a relationship with Christ, that is telling, to me, that Christianity (as born agains say) is about relationship and not religion.

A lot of people including myself walked away from christ. Religion just means you practice what you preach. If not, anyone can go around saying they serve god but what do they DO when they say they serve him. So, they should be one and the same.

The thing is, many have because they felt they were lied to, christ was fake, or so have you. I've not met any person who said "yes. I 'know' christ as a Fact; and, I walked away, because..."

Its like one rejects the need to be a mathematician. Just because they reject that need and it doesn't apply to their lives, doesn't mean two and two doesn't equal four. I'm wondering if people think that way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why did you reject christ after having a genuine personal relationship with and his god?

1 . I was raised christian , my family went to church when I was little . However they weren't really religious if you know what I mean . My family didn't follow a specific denomination , however where we were there was only one church which was baptist . ( Btw what i'm about to say is not to offend anyone that's baptist this is just my personal experience . ) I had horrible experiences there , I was very young . Despite this the bible classes had very heavy subjects like hell , and in all stories that shouldn't be taught to kids about the bible . But of course at the young age I was even though the stories were terrible I believed them , because adults were saying they were true . I was religious when I was a child and prayed every night , and felt as though I had a genuine relationship with that God . However when I grew older the subject of Hell became the main point of why I was still christian . And i felt the weight of the world on my shoulders to make sure no one went to hell . It ruined my mental health at a very young age . Around the same time I started to read bible stories and realized I could write an entire book on things that didn't make since to me , and the questions I had . So I left and that's really it .

Did you have a conversation with him (if you had a genuine relationship with christ before) and told me hey, see ya? or had a deep talk of departure?

2 . Kind of I said Goodbye , I felt to do so since it was a huge part of my life , and was very important to me for a long time . Also It would help me move on , and work on myself .




( Christ, I can kinda understand, because he was a human flesh and blood.) I personally believe that ''christ'' could have been a real person . Just not the son of God , possibly a wise man . I believe his teachings were abused for power and control over society .


( The more I worshiped, the less I worshiped. It was an intense feeling of "this isn't right for you.)
I understand I went through the same thing after a while , I just had this inner voice that was like , Why am I even doing this anymore .



( I can't believe in human sacrifice. ) -This was a huge thing for me and why I left , I simply could not except that God needed blood shed for forgiveness ,

Thank you for that. What do you do/believe now that helps you out? (If you want to answer)