How Andrew Tate and the Far Right Made Common Cause with Islamists

[Godobeyer]

A few pages back I said that I think you're sincere, and I know that I'm sincere. And I wondered whether we could explore how it is that we get such different information. It's clear that your sources of information tell very different stories than my sources.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I'm willing to explore that with you. But if you don't want to do that, I understand, and I'll just end this exchange for now. Because we're right back to shouting at each other using different sources of information, and we've seen that that gets us nowhere.

There is one truth, there not partly truth, or another truth.

It's not big deal to admit that Palestinians are the main victims, suffering by collective punishment.

Its not big deal to admit that there are extremists in Israel hate Arabs and Muslims,

It's big deal to admit that it's not humanity that armed settler attack Arabs by cover of Police.

It's not big deal to say it's evil to cur water and electricity and food from 2 million person for 1 year.

I personally won't stand with my father if he did a crime, or justify it.

I won't stand with Algeria if bombing civilians for example,if Niger or Mali had problem same as Israel and Palestinians.

Crime is crime, switch the labels depending the aggressor and victims race/religion, And put all blame on one side, which are victims most of time, not the oppressor. Is unfair.

I imagine if war start between two countries, you will called Muslim one terrorist, non muslim one is fighting terrorist, except if they fighting Russia for example, AQaeda.

Different source is not big excuse. You have internet check crimes of Israel.
I believe you would delete all your

I noticed in that report that Islamism and terrorism were never mentioned. It also never discussed what percentage of Palestinians support Hamas. There comes a point where a so-called "civilian" isn't really a civilian any more. Here's a video of a short speech from one of Hamas's leader explaining how Hamas is intentionally putting Palestinians in harm's way. This context must absolutely be a part of the discussion:

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You wrong concept.

Video don't said Hamas put palestinians in harms way.

He said these palestinians blood we need it to wake up resistance. Arabic language concept, different than translation.

How Israel use palestinians 13 years boy as human shield? Any comment?

 

[Koldo]

I noticed in that report that Islamism and terrorism were never mentioned. It also never discussed what percentage of Palestinians support Hamas. There comes a point where a so-called "civilian" isn't really a civilian any more. Here's a video of a short speech from one of Hamas's leader explaining how Hamas is intentionally putting Palestinians in harm's way. This context must absolutely be a part of the discussion:

x.com

Erm...If you really wanna get down into what qualifies as a civilian, there are going to be certain issues since military service is pretty much mandatory in Israel, which entails that the massacre on Oct 7th could be interpreted as essentially an attack against soldiers (either potential or present soldiers). Let's not go down that hole.

 

[Koldo]

A few pages back I said that I think you're sincere, and I know that I'm sincere. And I wondered whether we could explore how it is that we get such different information. It's clear that your sources of information tell very different stories than my sources.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I'm willing to explore that with you. But if you don't want to do that, I understand, and I'll just end this exchange for now. Because we're right back to shouting at each other using different sources of information, and we've seen that that gets us nowhere.

I wonder what source would dispute the fact that the USA kept vetoing any efforts to stop the war. Present it.

 

[icehorse]

There is one truth, there not partly truth, or another truth.

It's not big deal to admit that Palestinians are the main victims, suffering by collective punishment.

Its not big deal to admit that there are extremists in Israel hate Arabs and Muslims,

It's big deal to admit that it's not humanity that armed settler attack Arabs by cover of Police.

It's not big deal to say it's evil to cur water and electricity and food from 2 million person for 1 year.

Some claims are clearly true or not. Other claims are more subjective. We must also consider the larger context in which claims are made, to help determine whether the claims have much meaning.

So this post of yours is not as simple as being true or not. And that's not your fault, it's just that the world is complex.

Again, I think it might be useful for us to discuss our sources and see if we can discover what's as close to the truth as possible.

Now I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it seems as though you're not interested in having that discussion? It seems as though you're already convinced you know "the truth"? If that's correct, again, no problem, but I disagree with much of what you're saying. And I'm not interested in just shouting back and forth with you. So let me know, if you want to discuss this more deeply or not. In either case, be well.

 

[icehorse]

I wonder what source would dispute the fact that the USA kept vetoing any efforts to stop the war. Present it.

I need some help connecting the dots here. How does your question relate to what I've said in this thread?

Maybe you're asking about my stance on the UN's culpability in this situation? I'm not sure?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

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[Saint Frankenstein]

I think there's little difference between your average bigoted southerner and your average cave-dwelling fundamentalist in afghanistan.

Hateful garbage. →