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How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Skywalker said:
I believe that the teachings of two Messiahs who each have different roles is based off the second advent of the Messiah being something that is hinted about in the Tanakh. It's not directly stated but it's implied and is consistent with the Tanakh.
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You keep bringing this up again and again and ignoring my responses. I'm going to reply one more time, and then ignore future assertions of this by you.

This interpretation was one that was proposed long long ago when Jews were in the process of trying to sort out what things meant. It was a bad interpretation then, and it is a bad interpretation now. It was subsequently trashed.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
You keep bringing this up again and again and ignoring my responses. I'm going to reply one more time, and then ignore future assertions of this by you.

This interpretation was one that was proposed long long ago when Jews were in the process of trying to sort out what things meant. It was a bad interpretation then, and it is a bad interpretation now. It was subsequently trashed.
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I agree with you that the interpretation about two Messiahs is wrong, but I believe that the interpretation comes from Tankh verses that talk about the Messiah coming at different times and doing different things. Truth is always mixed with lies. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org

A careful look at Old Testament prophecies shows an underlying assumption of two advents. Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 7:14 predict the first advent. Separately, Isaiah 53:8–9 predicts a suffering and dying Messiah, who will be given life and greatness according to Isaiah 53:11–12. Daniel 9:26 describes the Messiah being killed after His appearance. At the same time, prophets such as Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) say this same “pierced” Messiah will be seen again by His enemies. So the clues are there.

Many Old Testament prophecies foretell the ultimate triumph of Christ, which will occur at the second advent. These include statements from the books of Zechariah (Zechariah 9:14–15; 12:10–14; 13:1; 9:14–15); Amos (Amos 9:11–15); Jeremiah (Jeremiah 30:18; 32:44; 33:11, 26); and Joel (Joel 3:1); which describe the Messiah coming in triumph to lead Israel into salvation. Note that these are in the context of passages such as Deuteronomy 30:3–5 and so are predictions of the time of Messiah’s final victory.
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rational experiences

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Moses happened first mutated exodus genesis. First human science abuse God and human life after ice age.

Humans knew only dinosaur life was living before ice. Human life obliterated.

Temple pyramid rebuilt in science. Vision voiced heard recorded. Known. Stated where and why human science was reheard. Spiritual man an origin sciences a long time ago.

Recorded memory studied reapplied. Science. The status life's destroyer.

Question why,?

Info said Satanist man scientist burnt all life sent it to God hell. Volcanic mass ground tectonic collapse. O earth is God. Earth owned God earth hell.

Tectonic meaning. Built cause myself collapse plates. Said scientist.

Earth tectonics owned earthquake. Not plate land collapse removal. As God O mass. Tectonic carpenter meaning only an O earth that quakes.

UFO pyramid meaning tectonic to remove mass. Land will shift out it as mass below water. Thesis. Mass is a solid. As God

Thesis mass was under water. Not water is only mass.

Thesis study Moses used origin destroyer thesis of God body O earth. Man human owned caused.

Humans live on earth. Science did it by machine body implanted evidence inside mass of stone and coal. God O earth owned evidence against man scientist.

Earth contorted was sucked into deep colder pressure in space vacuum reason. As it burnt as God converting as God. O earth mass is God.

Science did it to real God. One God. Earth planet God. Only God.

Humans quote once our universe was a galaxy union with Sirius. How many planets were destroyed evident. Should own galaxy around sun the same.

Science quotes seem very earth like those galaxies.

Jewish humans said Moses was taught as reason humans mutated as did animals by beast UFO reason. Left genesis of life. Owned teaching against occult science.

Genesis only owned inside each living life form.

Ours is the original correct science temple pyramid warning. Said Jewish community hurt by Egyptian sciences

You did it again Jesus. Why they don't accept false preaching in science as you were already told to not copy history.

Said scientist temple builders pyramids hypocrites. Already knew coloured gas mass body had been removed before. Out of heaven spirits.

Why they said origin teachings were correct.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Skywalker said:
I agree with you that the interpretation about two Messiahs is wrong, but I believe that the interpretation comes from Tankh verses that talk about the Messiah coming at different times and doing different things. Truth is always mixed with lies. Does the Old Testament truly predict a second advent of the Messiah? | GotQuestions.org
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Do you remember I aske you to not just substitute links for arguments? If you quote something to back up an argument you have made in your own words, then yes you supply the link, just like you would do in a footnote. But links should never be used in place of an argument.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Skywalker said:
The term Echad supports that the Trinity is in the Old Testament, and the Trinity is different from polytheism because the essence of the Father, Spirit, and Son, are the same. The Shema and the Shahada
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As you have done with @IndigoChild5559, you keep avoiding questions asked of you. Again, if one supposedly must believe in Jesus in order to be "saved", what about the 99+% of the world's population historically that have never heard of Jesus? Don't they count for anything in God's eyes?

All you keep on doing is using a circular argument that doesn't deal with the question. If you don't know the answer, then why not just say that you don't know the answer? There's no sin in that.

I don't know the answer with any certainty of being correct, but it just seems to me that a caring God would make his presence felt to all societies at all times even going back millions of years.
 
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Skywalker

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metis said:
As you have done with @IndigoChild5559, you keep avoiding questions asked of you. Again, if one supposedly must believe in Jesus in order to be "saved", what about the 99+% of the world's population historically that have never heard of Jesus? Don't they count for anything in God's eyes?

All you keep on doing is using a circular argument that doesn't deal with the question. If you don't know the answer, then why not just say that you don't know the answer? There's no sin in that.

I don't know the answer with any certainty of being correct, but it just seems to me that a caring God would make his presence felt to all societies at all times even going back millions of years.
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People don't go to hell because they are sinners they go to hell because they reject Jesus. Never heard gospel - creation.com

We are all born in rebellion against God
While the Bible doesn’t tell us everything we’d like to know about salvation, it tells us everything we need to know.
Scripture teaches that we do not enter the world as morally neutral entities, but we are sinful from our very conception (Psalm 51:5). One of my colleagues points out that any parent of small children sees this in action! You don’t have to teach your little boy to be selfish with his toys or pull his sister’s hair, these sinful behaviors come naturally.

This sinfulness is not so much what we do, as who we are. We sin because we’re sinners. We were born that way, because our parents were born that way, all the way back to the children of Adam and Eve, who were the only human beings not born in sin, but they became sinful (of course, Jesus was without sin. Jesus is also God).

Because God is good, He must judge sin. And even on a human level, we can think of horrendous crimes for which we would demand judgment. God sees all sin like that. God is perfectly righteous so He must judge perfectly—every sin must receive a proportional judgment.
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
metis said:
As usual, you avoid answering questions, which begs the question why are you even posting here at RF if all you are going to do is to post links versus actually answering questions posed to you?
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Even without hearing of Jesus the creation declares the glory of God and we all know that we have a desire to seek God but some people suppress it. That is what it means by we are all born in rebellion against God.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Harel13 said:
So you don't know what happens to them.
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The Old Testament talks about God dealing with people differently in different dispensations.

Ezekiel 33:11

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
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Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Skywalker said:
The Old Testament talks about God dealing with people differently in different dispensations.

Ezekiel 33:11
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That doesn't say what will happen to them after death, but whatever. I'm not interested in debating this.
 
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