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How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

SLAMH

Active Member
cheers for that. Just reading these doesnt give me the impression that arms must be covered... i guess the degree of coverage is a cultural thing . Are these the only two verses discussing dress in the entire Quran?

Don't get too much exited about it. There are still some Hadith which elaborate more on How Hijab should be and for what parts it must cover.

In Islam, Qura'n just gives a brief explanation to the commands. Hadith explain to whom this commands are directed, and sometimes it may limit and restrict the commands in regard to some situations. In most cases, the commands which found in Qura'n are further expanded in Hadith.

The degree of the coverage is not a cultural thing.

I'm not sure if there are other verses which discuss the matter of Hijab.

Also, as a muslim, how does this translate in practice? 'not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children'

Well, I think that they just don't have to wear Hijab for those who are mentioned in the verse above.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Don't get too much exited about it. There are still some Hadith which elaborate more on How Hijab should be and for what parts it must cover.

In Islam, Qura'n just gives a brief explanation to the commands. Hadith explain to whom this commands are directed, and sometimes it may limit and restrict the commands in regard to some situations. In most cases, the commands which found in Qura'n are further expanded in Hadith.

who creates the hadith?


Well, I think that they just don't have to wear Hijab for those who are mentioned in the verse above.

does that mean that when in the company of any of those mentioned she could remove her hijab?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Thats truly admirable :)

The problem at large remaining with those minds who feel forced by the norms of the society to act exactly upon what the media feeds them. It is not easy to break those chains with the current trends that are prevalent, specially those who can't yet think for themselves, and that can include large numbers of impressionable minds of young age.

this is where we must fight that urge to conform to the society around us and do as Jesus instructed "obey God as ruler rather then man"

to walk worthily of God, we must walk in opposition to the world around us because as the scripture says "friendship with the world means enmity with God"
 

Harmonious

Well-Known Member
If a certain society promote some good values, following them doesn't mean it's an insult, but the most important following these values should be out of a conscious decision. That's why the Muslim before taking any step must stop and ask him/herself why I am doing this.
I get that.

Because if you're doing it for the sake of people (because people do it), it's not accepted by God, to be accepted the Muslim must do it for the sake of God solely.
You mean merit isn't awarded for doing the right thing, even for the wrong reason? According to my understanding of Torah law, if you do the right thing, even for the wrong reason, you get at least partial credit. It is infinitely better to do the right thing for the right reason, though...

If this is the principle of the Muslim, it means also s/he should be ready to resist any pressure that makes him/her behave against God's will. To summarize the Muslim's standard is God whether he lives in a society that promotes God's laws or not.
See, the reason I get this is that, in your post, if you change the word "Muslim" to "Jew," you come out with approximately the same result describing Jews and why religious Jews make some of the choices that we do.
 

SLAMH

Active Member
who creates the hadith?

Hadith is the saying of the prophet Mohamed, and it may refer to the things that he had done and focus as well on his response to some actions took place in his time. The problem that not all the sects have the same and the exact standard to how hadith can be judged and determined to be acceptably accurate.

More over, the Quranist for example don't believe in Hadith at all. Revivalists sometimes interpret the Hadith to fit their claim or views, if they really get stuck and couldn't shape the meaning to fit with their views, they will just ignore it and conclude that the tale can't be true and it is reasonably flawed.

It is just a bit complicated.

does that mean that when in the company of any of those mentioned she could remove her hijab?

I think Yes. my mother doesn't wear it in front of me.
 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
yes, a woman who wears a headscarf can remove it in front of those listed people. basically, those are men (and of course minors) that are not marriageable to her.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
You mean merit isn't awarded for doing the right thing, even for the wrong reason? According to my understanding of Torah law, if you do the right thing, even for the wrong reason, you get at least partial credit. It is infinitely better to do the right thing for the right reason, though...
You don't get awarded in that case yes in the sense that if you want God and dedicate your life and deeds for him solely, you will get blessings and awards in the worldly life and the Hereafter (our main goal). For example, if you gave a part of your money to the poor so that you can show off and you want the praises of the people, you will get the praises of the people, but you will not be rewarded in the Hereafter. You get according to your intention.
If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life), We readily grant them - such things as We will, to such person as We will: in the end have We provided Hell for them: they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.

Those who do wish for the (things of) the Hereafter, and strive therefor with all due striving, and have Faith,- they are the ones whose striving is acceptable (to Allah..

Of the bounties of thy Lord We bestow freely on all- These as well as those: The bounties of thy Lord are not closed (to anyone).

- Al-Isra':18-20

This is the basic concept of Islam, to submit to God alone, not to people or anything else.

See, the reason I get this is that, in your post, if you change the word "Muslim" to "Jew," you come out with approximately the same result describing Jews and why religious Jews make some of the choices that we do.
Great. :)
 

Harmonious

Well-Known Member
You don't get awarded in that case yes in the sense that if you want God and dedicate your life and deeds for him solely, you will get blessings and awards in the worldly life and the Hereafter (our main goal). For example, if you gave a part of your money to the poor so that you can show off and you want the praises of the people, you will get the praises of the people, but you will not be rewarded in the Hereafter. You get according to your intention.
If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life), We readily grant them - such things as We will, to such person as We will: in the end have We provided Hell for them: they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.

Those who do wish for the (things of) the Hereafter, and strive therefor with all due striving, and have Faith,- they are the ones whose striving is acceptable (to Allah..

Of the bounties of thy Lord We bestow freely on all- These as well as those: The bounties of thy Lord are not closed (to anyone).

- Al-Isra':18-20

This is the basic concept of Islam, to submit to God alone, not to people or anything else.
Fair enough.

It's a beautiful thing. :)
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
24:31

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah that ye may attain Bliss. automaticaly springs to mind

I guess this part highlighted in red means eunuch,still anyway,to answer OP they can because they are proud to be Muslims,that is for those with a choice
 

ConfusedKuri

Active Member
It seems crazy to think that a woman cannot have self-respect and honor while wearing a headscarf.

I second that.

To me the whole idea of honouring yourself with a piece of garment is illogical. Headscarves have a cultural stigma attached to them, it is automatically assumed a hijabi is pure, modest and a virgin, I know plenty of girls who wear that thing in order to hide some rather unislamic deeds which could pollute their image.

That being said I wore mine for 4 years, until I woke up someday and wondered why I was doing it all, I realised I didn't want to please my creator with it, but rather the society I was living in, plus I did some research on it and came to the conclusion that it was not mandated.
 

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
This just shows me how damaged our society is. Doesn't this strike you as being extremely messed up, when both sexes are having secret affairs all over the place? It would be more honourable if they were doing so openly instead of living in lies, lacking trust, breaking hearts. It is truly shameful, and it wonderfully reflects the aspects of society that I am challenging in my latest posts. We are a sex obsessed, superficial culture that objectifies people to an extreme.

This is not freedom. It was not freedom when I was a 13 year old walking down the road and had much older men whistling and calling at me from their cars. It was not freedom when my girlfriends actually felt flattered by this. It is not freedom when a naive girl gives herself up to a man easily, thinking she is in love, and then is quickly dumped only to be ridiculed or bragged about to the man's friends. It is not freedom when she is so damaged that this experience leads her to expect this behaviour, and mirror it.

Oh, Madhuri, I didn't see this post until just now! I'm sorry I never replied. And - LOL - I don't have time to reply at the moment, but I'll get to it. Just want you to know I wasn't ignoring you.
 

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
This just shows me how damaged our society is. Doesn't this strike you as being extremely messed up, when both sexes are having secret affairs all over the place? It would be more honourable if they were doing so openly instead of living in lies, lacking trust, breaking hearts. It is truly shameful, and it wonderfully reflects the aspects of society that I am challenging in my latest posts. We are a sex obsessed, superficial culture that objectifies people to an extreme.

Yes, I agree secret affairs are messed up. But I don't think it's because of sex obsession. Sexuality is innate. I think we're inept at life-long monogamy, and I don't know if that's bad. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, marrying for love was virtually not done anywhere in the world. Marriage was a business transaction, and one that wasn't sealed with a whole lot of ceremony. Being in love wasn't a factor for marriage or divorce.

I also agree our culture objectifies people. There's a great quote from one my textbooks, if I can find it, on how advertisers successfully created a market for objectification. Their goal? Nothing loftier than selling a tube of lipstick. Or a pair of shoes, or hair dye or undergarments.

This is not freedom. It was not freedom when I was a 13 year old walking down the road and had much older men whistling and calling at me from their cars. It was not freedom when my girlfriends actually felt flattered by this. It is not freedom when a naive girl gives herself up to a man easily, thinking she is in love, and then is quickly dumped only to be ridiculed or bragged about to the man's friends. It is not freedom when she is so damaged that this experience leads her to expect this behaviour, and mirror it.

I agree with this statement too. But I'm not sure if you're relating this to Western culture or if it's a separate thought. Certainly this and other denigrating behaviors occur to varying degrees in all cultures.
 
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