How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

[Rainbow Mage]

Then again, I believe in Qur'an alone philosophy over Shari'a Law or hadith...

If I was a Muslim I would too. Scholars can justify anything by their standards. They can issue fatwas against disney movies and all kinds of ridicilousness

Fatwa on mermaids

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[SLAMH]

According to your scholars. You show me where the Quran ever says kill homosexuals, provided they're not open in public. The Quran forbids ANY sexual acts in public.

As far as I know, Qur'an does speak against homosexuality. I don't think it ever declares if there is a punishment for the homo or not.

But, I think in Sunna there is. I'm not quite sure I have to back up. But, I know that their punishment is the death penalty.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

As far as I know, Qur'an does speak against homosexuality. I don't think it ever declares if there is a punishment for the homo or not.

But, I think in Sunna there is. I'm not quite sure I have to back up. But, I know that their punishment is the death penalty.

The Quran justifies a death penalty for sexual immorality, but only if it's performed in public. It's not just homosexuality, it's any sexual displays period. It says four witnesses are needed.

 

[SLAMH]

If I was a Muslim I would too. Scholars can justify anything by their standards. They can issue fatwas against disney movies and all kinds of ridicilousness

Fatwa on mermaids

Fatwa on eating mermaids | ProgressiveIslam.Org

As long as you are well convinced with that. Then, no one could tell you what it's wrong and what it's right. It is your own decision.

 

[SLAMH]

The Quran justifies a death penalty for sexual immorality, but only if it's performed in public. It's not just homosexuality, it's any sexual displays period. It says four witnesses are needed.

That's a misconception.

It prescribes the death penalty for sexual immorality only if the perpetrators are married and wherever it is performed. It is just the punishment that must performed in front of a public, not the sin.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

That's a misconception.

It prescribes the death penalty for sexual immorality only if the perpetrators are married wherever it is performed. It is just the punishment must performed in front of a public, not the sin.

Well maybe that's how I understood it then when I was reading it.

 

[YmirGF]

First of all, Are you a muslim woman?

No. Is being a Muslim woman pertinent to the discussion?

The Op wasn't the least indicative of random trashy feelings about muslim women, but Its nice to see your rather daft opinions on it, speaks volumes of your ignorance and disrespectful personal sense of intolerant bigotry.

What are you raving about? I ask questions ... and that is somehow bigotry? How terribly instructive.

And as for your reeling mind, I suggest you to stop entangling the left overs of your whatever rem-anent sanity on Muslim women Ymir, it is just so deplorable to see you talk like you speak for them, thanks we're doing much better without your non-sensical jargon.

I hadn't realized that I was attempting to speak for Muslim women. Why would you think I was?

 

[Falvlun]

If you are raised as a young girl to feel that your hair is sexual and should be covered, then I could see how it would be as uncomfortable showing your hair as it would be for most Western women to go out in public without a t-shirt on.

Likewise, if as a young boy, you are taught that female hair is something off-limits and sensual, then that is how you will perceive it. A boy raised in America would likely not get overly aroused at the sight of a woman's ponytail.

 

[Pegg]

Well thank you for the answers. Though I really didn't get the analogy of wrapped candy either. I guess I still understand that it's about modesty. So the head covering really makes a woman feel guarded against people who would look at them like a sex object? I'm just asking.

im not muslim nor do i wear a head covering, but i always think its interesting to know how such customs developed in the first place. Knowing how they began helps us to understand them today. The muslims are an Abrahamic religion, so the answer is found in the bibles genesis account which shows us where the need to cover ourselves came from.

Why dont we feel awkward at seeing animals naked? Because we have no sexual motive toward them. Adam and Eve had a natural pure sexuality originally. It was not perverted in any way and for that reason they had no need to cover themselves, they could look at each other without thinking about sex.

But with imperfection came a perversion toward their sexuality. When they sinned, they began to have impure thoughts toward each other and this made them feel ashamed and they immediately sought to hide the parts of themselves which made them feel ashamed...they covered their genitals with leaves.
I think this may be why the first reply gave the analogy that woman are like 'candy' in wrapping.

And because how they viewed each other was no longer in Gods control, he made them clothing as a protection to them. This became necessary only after they sinned.

But honestly, modesty is all in the mind. If God thought that Modesty was covering oneself from head to toe, then he would have made Adam and Eve with clothing.

 

[Pegg]

If you are raised as a young girl to feel that your hair is sexual and should be covered, then I could see how it would be as uncomfortable showing your hair as it would be for most Western women to go out in public without a t-shirt on.

Likewise, if as a young boy, you are taught that female hair is something off-limits and sensual, then that is how you will perceive it. A boy raised in America would likely not get overly aroused at the sight of a woman's ponytail.

this is exactly right. Modesty is all in the mind and its how we view ourselves. We have to get back to how God views us. For a woman, it is her long hair which God has given to her that is glorious to him.

The Apostle Paul said at 1Cor 11:14 Does not nature itself teach YOU that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him; 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? Because her hair is given her instead of a headdress." Long hair is Gods way for a woman to show her submissiveness according to Paul.

 

[SLAMH]

If you are raised as a young girl to feel that your hair is sexual and should be covered, then I could see how it would be as uncomfortable showing your hair as it would be for most Western women to go out in public without a t-shirt on.

Likewise, if as a young boy, you are taught that female hair is something off-limits and sensual, then that is how you will perceive it. A boy raised in America would likely not get overly aroused at the sight of a woman's ponytail.

Excellent, good point

 

[Harmonious]

If you are raised as a young girl to feel that your hair is sexual and should be covered, then I could see how it would be as uncomfortable showing your hair as it would be for most Western women to go out in public without a t-shirt on.

Likewise, if as a young boy, you are taught that female hair is something off-limits and sensual, then that is how you will perceive it. A boy raised in America would likely not get overly aroused at the sight of a woman's ponytail.

Nicely expressed.

 

[blackout]

How about this?......

If you had a precious jewel that was worth thousands of dollars, many people would take it, when it isn't being used, and put it in a safety deposit box. Is anyone ashamed of the jewel? Certainly not, but the owner shows how precious it is by keeping it hidden until it is necessary to be used

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reread this...maybe...

...when it isn't being used, and put it in a safety deposit box. Is anyone ashamed of the jewel? Certainly not, but the owner shows how precious it is by keeping it hidden until it is necessary to be used.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

If i was to ask you to choose between a candy uncovered and a candy all wrapped up nicely, which one will you choose? I guess we know the answer to that.

If someone gives you a gift all nicely wrapped and decently covered, you will Value it over a gift that is handed over to you by someone non-chalant enough not to wrap it, you will naturally assign more value to the gift that was given to you with consideration, respect and its value intact.

Muslim women treasure and honor the decision to cover themselves up, and immensely enjoy the freedom of movement and the boost of confidence that it gives them. It defines our role in the society very aptly by liberating women of any sexual objectivity that some other societies are used to extort out of their women in the name of women rights when infact being uncovered hasn't helped the state of their social order in any way.

Precious valuables don't lie around uncovered , And women are considered very precious in Islam. Hope that answers your question.

Allow me to change just a bit your analogy my dear sister :

(Btw I havent read any page except the first and the second so I apologise if it comes out of context)

The analogy goes like this: flies come to unwrapped candies, wrapped candies are free from flies =====>>> FLIES HATE WRAPPED CANDIES

Thank you, lol

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Btw, I hope that after 8 pages people have realised that the OP is Senjedem with a new name ? lol

 

[Madhuri]

Allow me to change just a bit your analogy my dear sister :

(Btw I havent read any page except the first and the second so I apologise if it comes out of context)

The analogy goes like this: flies come to unwrapped candies, wrapped candies are free from flies =====>>> FLIES HATE WRAPPED CANDIES

Thank you, lol

You know, I could wear grandma clothing outside that exposes my hair, arms, some leg, neck etc. and I would not attract any 'flies'.

Our cultures define standards and meanings and norms. If a girl wants to attract men for sexual fun, she will dress in a very particular way. In my culture, just exposing hair and arms for instance is not enough to give the message to men that she is sexually available.

But if I were to dress in that way in your culture for instance, then it would be perceived as something different and people would react differently.

Again, if I were to travel to some remote village where everyone was naked, I would be seen as weird to have clothing on. I would not be raped when my clothes came off. Because nudity, in those cultures, is not some perverse thing that drives everyone sexually insane.

It comes down to culture. That's it.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Keep flies away by wearing your grandmas clothes, you'll get to the purpose.Wear a Hijab on it, and as a Muslim it will:

1) Keep flies away
2) grant you the honour of following the rules of Allah.

So main purpose for Muslims : pleasing Allah, second purpose which is derived by the first since rules of Allah are there for our benefit: keeping flies away.


AND the " FLIES HATE WRAPPED CANDIES" , was adressed to all men on this thread trying to convince women that Hijab is not honorable. Men also hate ladies wrapped in their grandmas clothes, so thats why its frustrate me when men try to LIBERATE us for their own purpose. As for women then discussion becomes much different and I think there was one good discussion not a long time ago between ladies Ill see if I can find it for you.

 

[TJ73]

I have to disagree about hair. I used to think that it was no big deal being it is normal here. But both men and women are obsessed with womens hair. Long flowing hair is sexy and coveted. Women spend billions on hair products and extensions to achieve this look.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Hair is half of the beauty of women , just take the picture of the most beautiful lady you know ; photoshop it and take away her hair and you'll see the difference.

 

[Gaura Priya]

this is exactly right. Modesty is all in the mind and its how we view ourselves. We have to get back to how God views us. For a woman, it is her long hair which God has given to her that is glorious to him.

The Apostle Paul said at 1Cor 11:14 Does not nature itself teach YOU that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him; 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? Because her hair is given her instead of a headdress." Long hair is Gods way for a woman to show her submissiveness according to Paul.

From what I understood, if a woman in the assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses is giving an address to a mixed congregation, leading prayer, or teaching a non-member instead of her husband, she is suggested to cover her head.