How can any true Christian accept an Appointing of a gay bishop ?

[McBell]

Alright, I'm a bit slow. PM me. Thanks.

Sometimes when a person gets banned they create a new screen name.
It is usually only a matter of time before they are found out.

Especially when members suspect that it is a banned member in a new skin.

 

[Autodidact]

Yes, I'm up on the sock-puppet phenom, I just wanted to gossip about what the previous identities were. Because I'm human like that.

 

[McBell]

Yes, I'm up on the sock-puppet phenom, I just wanted to gossip about what the previous identities were. Because I'm human like that.

So where is all the gossip?

 

[Duck]

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion - happy

And how exactly is that a prohibition? It reads to me more as a punishment, not really a prohibition. Whoever Paul is talking about did something and god laid the smackdown on them by making them go against their nature.

Thing is in your bible, your god is VERY clear about things to NOT do: "Thou shalt not steal", "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife", and very clear about things you MUST do, "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

So, where in the quote you mentioned is it made clear as a 'Thou shalt not' that lesbianism is prohibited?

 

[Duck]

I believe that God accepts homosexuals who open to God's leadership and follow the word of God. - agree but not lead

and what if that person still chooses to have an affair - and be unfaithful - still chooses to cheat on his wife should he remain the leader of a church ?

Well, we could ask any number of televangelists this question. Or for instance, we could just ask Ted Haggard, he not only cheated on his wife, and did drugs but he bought those drugs from the male prostitute he was cheating on her with. I just read that he as founded another church (presumably as the leader).

Is he or is he not a christian?

 

[Duck]

i am not comparing them it an example of sin

And the first one bigots run to when discussing homosexuality. Do the right winger christians that have such an issue with homosexuality really want to **** little children that much, is that why they immediately make the jump from 'the gays do it in the butt' to 'ooh, that 8 year old looks good in that dress'?

 

[Duck]

Why is it that fundies leave so quickly around here? Now we have no one to argue with.

Dang it and I got all worked up for the last three posts. I hate wasting a good frothing-at-the-mouth.

 

[sojourner]

can i ask you ask as a Christian why do think God ever accept homosexuality as not being a sin ?

Why do you think God would accept homosexuality as a sin?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Froth away. It was a wasted effort as far as thetruth goes, but I was enjoying the rant.

 

[sojourner]

the question is not about homosexuals in the church they are more than welcome its about a leader in the church choosing to live in sin and deny what the bible says - you cannot live in sin and lead a church - and yes they are still going against waht the bible says - Gods say man and woman will become one flesh not man and man - its so clear to see man and woman are made to enjoy each other and give birth to Gods children why is that hard to comprehend

What does the Bible really say? Spouting disjointed verses is proof-texting, and does not take into account the full theological perspective of the Bible as a whole. I don't believe these leaders are "living in sin."

 

[sojourner]

the question is not about homosexuals in the church they are more than welcome its about a leader in the church choosing to live in sin and deny what the bible says - you cannot live in sin and lead a church - and yes they are still going against waht the bible says - Gods say man and woman will become one flesh not man and man - its so clear to see man and woman are made to enjoy each other and give birth to Gods children why is that hard to comprehend

Plus we all live in sin. The only person to ever not live in sin was Jesus. And Jesus is the leader of the Church. Bishops are pastors, and serve the Church.

 

[sojourner]

you totally missed the whole point of the forum - well let me try its like saying how do you know God is not a killer - ummmm the bible says God is perfect in every way and it also says in the word of God - homosexuality is a sin - so how can he bay gay ?

The Bible says that God strikes people dead...

 

[kejos]

What does the Bible really say? Spouting disjointed verses is proof-texting, and does not take into account the full theological perspective of the Bible as a whole.

How does the full theological perspective of the Bible change things?

 

[sojourner]

my my calm down really - no need to get in a little huff - ummm well lets see God says he cannot sin the whole bible is based on mans sin - sin can only apply to humans - well i agree with it because my eyes are open to the truth - its easy to see mans has the eggs in his genital that fertilise a an egg that grows in a womb - that only woman have so the human race can continue - thats just nature clearly God intended man and woman to be together - apart from that the human anus is for waste the most unhygienic part of the body - its not meant to have anything inserted in it - thats nature you can see for yourself -its a fabrication by the devil of a gift of sex between man and woman only - sex is meant for man and woman for pleasure and to produce more children so God can enjoy them - can you not see that or do you choose not to ?

Sooo... anyone who does a sexual act outside of anal intercourse isn't really gay???

 

[sojourner]

my my calm down really - no need to get in a little huff - ummm well lets see God says he cannot sin the whole bible is based on mans sin - sin can only apply to humans - well i agree with it because my eyes are open to the truth - its easy to see mans has the eggs in his genital that fertilise a an egg that grows in a womb - that only woman have so the human race can continue - thats just nature clearly God intended man and woman to be together - apart from that the human anus is for waste the most unhygienic part of the body - its not meant to have anything inserted in it - thats nature you can see for yourself -its a fabrication by the devil of a gift of sex between man and woman only - sex is meant for man and woman for pleasure and to produce more children so God can enjoy them - can you not see that or do you choose not to ?

Can you not see that the Genesis account, as well as the other injunctions against homosexuality were part of an ancient mind-set and culture that cannot apply so literally to the post-modern West?

 

[sojourner]

In the early church submitting to the will of God means the following:

-Giving up all material possessions. Giving them all to the poor.
-Never Engaging in self-defense even if your children are being killed. Follow
Christ and be a martyr. Taking up your cross.
-Not engaging in sex for fun.

If you did not do these things you were not seen as a real Christian and you are not following the words of Christ or his apostles.

**sound of cartoon trumpet in background**
Wah-wah-wah!

 

[sojourner]

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion - happy

Luke Timothy Johnson, eminent exegete and Bible scholar (R.C., I believe), says in a wonderful article (wish I could recall what it was called) that in interpreting passages about homosexuality -- and he uses this particular one as a good example -- one must always bear in mind God's acts -- not the acts of people. It's what God is doing that is important. And it's important to interpret those acts in light of what God continues to do in the lives of homosexuals.

 

[sojourner]

Like this:

"I accept the appointment of a gay bishop"

I can teach you how to do it, but I'd have to charge.

He's too busy paying connection charges to the internet so he can learn about the Hebrew alphabet to pay you for lessons in How To Be Magnanimous.

 

[sojourner]

How does the full theological perspective of the Bible change things?

Are you serious?!:areyoucra

 

[Autodidact]

Well, we could ask any number of televangelists this question. Or for instance, we could just ask Ted Haggard, he not only cheated on his wife, and did drugs but he bought those drugs from the male prostitute he was cheating on her with. I just read that he as founded another church (presumably as the leader).

Is he or is he not a christian?

I know this one. As long as he rails against gay sex, it doesn't matter whether he has it on a regular basis. Cuz, y'know, we're all sinners and subject to the bonds of flesh, especially man-whore flesh. So basically he's Christian, as long as he remains a hypocrite and a liar. But if he were to suddenly start living a life of integrity and love true to his nature as God made him, he would stop being a Christian.