How Can Christians Claim This Is Jesus

[Muffled]

No, I don’t believe it’s Jesus. I titled the thread that way because that’s what Christians think even though it says no one knows his name.

I believe you are taking that out of context.

 

[Muffled]

Will this Baha'u'llah have a name?

I believe he had a name and it wasn't Jesus or the Word of God. His name was Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí according to wikipedia.

 

[Jimmy]

I believe you are taking that out of context.

I don’t think so

 

[Brickjectivity]

How can one head have many crowns? Maybe its a translation error. Yes, I suspect it is. This isn't conclusive, however the lexicon of the translated word says it can be translated 'Diadem', which is a jewel. Its a crown with many jewels. More than that it may be that the diadems are the eyes, since sometimes 'Opthalmos' is not about physical eyes but the eyes of the mind. In other words it may be a crown of flames, representing his thoughts that purge all which is not good.

 

[Coder]

I think that it's reasonable to surmise that purposefully vague language is used in the Book of Revelation. Was emperor Domitian a tyrant?

"Fourth century writings by Eusebius maintain that Jews and Christians were heavily persecuted toward the end of Domitian's reign."

Domitian - Wikipedia

 

[Muffled]

His soul came from heaven and then his body was born on earth. He lived his life on earth and completed his mission from God and then his body died and his soul ascended to heaven, where it took on a spiritual body. All of this also happened to Jesus.

I believe some of that is false.

 

[Muffled]

How can one head have many crowns? Maybe its a translation error. Yes, I suspect it is. This isn't conclusive, however the lexicon of the translated word says it can be translated 'Diadem', which is a jewel. Its a crown with many jewels. More than that it may be that the diadems are the eyes, since sometimes 'Opthalmos' is not about physical eyes but the eyes of the mind. In other words it may be a crown of flames, representing his thoughts that purge all which is not good.

I believe there is a great deal that is metaphoric. For instance I don't believe his garments will be drenched in blood even though He is pictured that way.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe some of that is false.

I believe all of that was true.

 

[wellwisher]

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

I like this. It fits nicely with what I believe.

This symbolism is connected to the sensible slave whom the master; Jesus, put in charge. In the parable of the sensible slave or servant, the Master goes away and when he returns, if his servant is doing well, he will put in charge of all his possessions. Jesus is the master. The King of King and Lord of Lords, is connected to the Servant be placed in charge of all the earthy possessions of his master. Jesus is the master of the Divine realm. Satan had been called Lord of the Earth, until thrown from heaven. Servant becomes divinely sanctioned as the new Earthy Lord, which makes him Lord of Lords.

He is one of the two witnesses who is killed by Satan but resurrected in the spirit of Ezekiel. The Servant, in his role of a witness did what was expected of him, gets killed and resurrected. There is a pause on earth to allow the transgression to run its course. In the mean time, the servant is with his master in Heaven, who makes him the Lord of the Earth, to assert his authority on earth. Jesus stays clean.

Revelation 11 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud,while their enemies looked on.

13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

John who wrote revelations was the disciple who was closest to Jesus. If that visual symbolism had been Jesus, John would have recognized him. But instead he was not sure who he was. He had a name nobody knew but himself.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.

The Word of God is what John calls Jesus.

This symbolism is connected to the Scroll in Revelation; from the Word of God.

So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’[a]” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

This almost suggests the servant will be a future incarnation of John. In terms of history, John dies of old age in prison. So if John is to prophesy again, it can't be the original physical body John, but rather someone in the spirit of John, who is not yet known, but he will know when time is right.

John had these visions, and wrote them down as they appeared. After he was finished and he ate the scroll; digested what had been written, and he saw the mystery revealed after the seven seal, even though he had written the visions in the more convoluted they appeared to him. What he realizes made his stomach bitter. It was not a pretty sight all that would happen to reach the end. He may not have revealed this bitterness to anyone, but passed the visions as had been revealed and written, until the Servant finds them and also sees again.

Ezekiel 9:2
And I saw six men coming from the direction of the Upper Gate, which faces north, each with a weapon of slaughter in his hand. With them was another man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. And they came in and stood beside the bronze altar.

The man dressed in linen with the writing case, is an incarnation of the same symbol spread out over time. In Ezekiel, he reports back and says I have done as you commanded; Faithful Servant coming in and out of history and prophesy. It is not one entity in terms of one expression but like sine wave going in and out of history. Faithful and True is his last expression working up the ladder of time.