How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards

[Estro Felino]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Kant would have vomited. He said: "The starry sky above me and the moral law within me".
The moral law: apply one single law, one single standard without bias or corruption.

 

[Estro Felino]

Really...dear doublestandardists...why do you do that?

 

[stvdv]

How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards​

My God...can you sleep at night?

That's only possible if they:
1) Lack Love, hence conscience is suppressed
2) Lack fear (as in awe) of God, Truth

 

[Estro Felino]

How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards​

That's only possible if they:
1) Lack Love, hence conscience is suppressed
2) Lack fear (as in awe) of God, Truth

Yes, but Kant was an atheist.
I believe it's a matter of mental order.

 

[Estro Felino]

I apply one single standard: both wars need to terminate today, so we can reconstruct and help those places.
Both places.

 

[stvdv]

How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards​

My God...can you sleep at night?

That's only possible if they:
1) Lack Love, hence conscience is suppressed
2) Lack fear (as in awe) of God, Truth,

Yes, but Kant was an atheist.

I did include Atheists by "1) Lack of Love...."

 

[stvdv]

I apply one single standard: both wars need to terminate today, so we can reconstruct and help those places.
Both places.

I agree

There is a huge difference between both
One is caused by Religious differences

 

[Augustus]

I apply one single standard: both wars need to terminate today, so we can reconstruct and help those places.
Both places.

99.9% of people would be happy for the wars to end today, they just disagree on the terms.

Is your “single standard” the idea that the wars should end by significant parts of Ukraine being given to Russia and the Gaza Strip being given to Israel in exchange for peace?

Does this Kantian categorical imperative extend to the idea we should always give in to the most aggressive party to avoid escalation?

What a paradise that would lead to…

 

[Estro Felino]

99.9% of people would be happy for the wars to end today, they just disagree on the terms.

Is your “single standard” the idea that the wars should end by significant parts of Ukraine being given to Russia and

Yes.
Are you saying that Italians were cretins because they surrendered to the Allies and gave away all their colonial Empire, just like that?

Because that's what you are implying. That Ukrainians are cretins if they decide to give away historically Russian regions.
Russian-speaking regions.

Does this Kantian categorical imperative extend to the idea we should always give in to the most aggressive party to avoid escalation?

Absolutely.
A one year ceasefire would be the solution. While keeping the Donbas and the other two regions under the UN supervision.

 

[Augustus]

Absolutely.
A one year ceasefire would be the solution. While keeping the Donbas and the other two regions under the UN supervision.

The categorical imperative relates to each principle being based on a universal law.

So if your argument is that the way to peace is for you to capitulate to whoever is more powerful in any given situation and give them whatever they demand, that is your single standard.

You are the one railing against double standards, so would you say people should always back down to avoid violence by appeasement?

What is your universal law that is being applied to both problems?

Because that's what you are implying. That Ukrainians are cretins if they decide to give away historically Russian regions.
Russian-speaking regions.

So your categorical imperative is that irredentist claims should be settled by giving land to whoever is demanding it so as to avoid conflict?

You would have argued that appeasement of Hitler was the best way to peace and European prosperity?

 

[Estro Felino]

The categorical imperative relates to each principle being based on a universal law.

Yes. One single law.
Not 1,000 laws aka standards.

So if your argument is that the way to peace is for you to capitulate to whoever is more powerful in any given situation and give them whatever they demand, that is your single standard.

No...my single standard is compromise.
Also because no belligerent party is 100% right.
Only kindergarten kids think I am 100% right and the other kids are 100% wrong.
One needs to grow up and become an adult.

You are the one railing against double standards, so would you say people should always back down to avoid violence by appeasement?

What is your universal law that is being applied to both problems?

Compromise and diplomacy.
We have evolved from the animal stage.
There are apes and humans.
WWF.

So your categorical imperative is that irredentist claims should be settled by giving land to whoever is demanding it so as to avoid conflict?

No.
The irrdentist claims must be backed by real objective reasons: like in that region the majority of people are a specific ethnic or linguistic group.

 

[RabbiO]

Kant was an atheist.

That‘s not what I‘ve heard.

 

[Estro Felino]

That‘s not what I‘ve heard.

If you have a source, I would be glad...
to know he was a theist.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Kant would have vomited. He said: "The starry sky above me and the moral law within me".
The moral law: apply one single law, one single standard without bias or corruption.

Attaching a single standard to war isn't exactly easy when it comes to human conflict. The maxim I usually see applied here: "Imperialism leads to subjugation and crimes against humanity."

For me, the problem is:

-Putin appears to be seeking to extend his power through territory acquisition.

-Israel appears to be simultaneously seeking to destroy Hamas and extend their reach and subjugation over Palestinians.

With the latter, it's possible that (ignoring evidence of illegal settlements into Palestinian territory) they are simply taking an extremely heavy-handed approach to removing the Hamas threat to their country, in which case the maxim switches to "Killing innocent civilians is wrong."

 

[Estro Felino]

Attaching a single standard to war isn't exactly easy when it comes to human conflict. The maxim I usually see applied here: "Imperialism leads to subjugation and crimes against humanity."

For me, the problem is:

-Putin appears to be seeking to extend his power through territory acquisition.

-Israel appears to be simultaneously seeking to destroy Hamas and extend their reach and subjugation over Palestinians.

With the latter, it's possible that (ignoring evidence of illegal settlements into Palestinian territory) they are simply taking an extremely heavy-handed approach to removing the Hamas threat to their country, in which case the maxim switches to "Killing innocent civilians is wrong."

You didn't understand the point at all.
We have ascertained that both wars are wrong.

But whereas you seem to care about Gazan's lives, and so you want the Gazan war to end to prevent more Gazans from dying, you seem not to give a damn (pardonnez-moi, pour le français) about Ukrainians risking their lives and dying in the thousands just because of an intransigent and merciless government in Kiev.

You do apply two different values on two different ethnic groups.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can't understand.
I can't.

We've all noticed.
And try to help.

 

[Estro Felino]

We've all noticed.
And try to help.

If you told us the truth...
I mean...
maybe you consider Ukrainians humanly inferior to Gazans...
I would understand.

 

[Revoltingest]

2) Lack fear (as in awe) of God, Truth

I fear God just as much as I fear Voldemort,
the Easter Bunny, Krampus, & Bigfoot.
At least none of them make loony claims
about having Da Truth.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you told us the truth...
:
I would understand.

Such optimism!

 

[Stevicus]

99.9% of people would be happy for the wars to end today, they just disagree on the terms.

Is your “single standard” the idea that the wars should end by significant parts of Ukraine being given to Russia and the Gaza Strip being given to Israel in exchange for peace?

Does this Kantian categorical imperative extend to the idea we should always give in to the most aggressive party to avoid escalation?

What a paradise that would lead to…

I don't think it's really a matter of giving in to the most aggressive party, although that, in and of itself, is a subjective judgment. It's more a matter of pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own. Or, throwing stones from glass houses. In other words, you can't condemn someone as a murderer if you're a murderer yourself.

That is to say, if a government chooses to oppose another government in the world, they should tell the real reason for doing so, not spew out a bunch of disingenuous sanctimony and lies. To not tell the truth is unethical and immoral.