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7thLord
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As the title suggests, how can science and religion get along? I've noticed this as the sub-forum's description.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
They can't as long as fundamentalists exist.
The sooner people realise that science doesn't give a damn about religion the better. The two are independent and reconciliation between religious concepts and the works of science fail miserably *cough* intelligent design *cough.*
The very path science and religion take in terms of reasoning and evidence makes them opposites.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I think the only way science and religion can get along, apart from people lying to themselves, is if science became a doctrinized religion all its own. I really hope that doesn't happen though, the goal of science is too pure to taint with ideaology. It should remain the pursuit of knowledge and nothing more.
McBell
Unbound
By having religion leave science alone.
But no, far to many religion think that science is out to 'prove' their god and or religion is false.
Science has no such agenda.
However, some scientists may have that agenda.
Both need to be a little open minded. That's all it takes. Acknowledge that despite your -current- belief there are things you do not know. Don't just dismiss everything because it doesn;t fit into you -current- world view.
I emphasise the word -current- because everybody's ideas and perceptions change over time. This just illustrates how we do not know everything.
I emphasise the word -current- because everybody's ideas and perceptions change over time. This just illustrates how we do not know everything.
at the first time you encounter a contradiction between a religion and a scientific fact...
Just get rid of that wrong religion
Just get rid of that wrong religion
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Then it would cease to be science.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But science isn't a world view. it's a method of collecting and testing data.
McBell
Unbound
or twist the **** out what your religious book says in order to make it fit current scientific knowledge....
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7thLord
Guest
I've noticed these are all reason that science and religion are AGAINST each other, not how they can get along.
MSizer
MSizer
OK, so since the Qur'an states that salt water and fresh water are separated by an unbreakable barrier (which if course we know to be false due to the existence of brackish water) we can throw out Islam?
MSizer
MSizer
That's because science is a method for persuing truth. Religions refer greatly to texts which claim that somebody flew to heaven on a winged horse, or was crucified to death, but three days later decided he wanted to stretch his legs. Anybody who considers those factual claims picks and chooses when to trust the scientific method and when not to trust it. The fundamental claims of most religions are completely unverifiable. A person using a scientifc method begins with an idea, formulates a hypothesis, and if by experiment it can be reproduced, graduates the hypothesis to a theory. Religion starts with what it claims to be fact, and then often refuses to relenquish, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Therefore, religion and science are mutually exclusive (or, as Gould put it, non-overlapping magesteria).
McBell
Unbound
First line, post #6
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
They get along fine if a person has an appropriate perspective of both religion and science. Science (as Father Heathen said) is not a world-view. Science is a method for the collection, analysis and testing of data. Science looks at the phenomena of our natural world and seeks to find explanations and understanding of how our natural world operates.
Science is not a system of ethics, it is not a philosophy, it is not a way of living, it is not out to get religion, and it is not demonic.
Religion, on the other hand, is a system of ethics, a way of living, and a philosophy. Religion is the acceptance of a particular outlook/perception of our world and acting in appropriation to that outlook.
Religion is not a method of understanding or explaining the natural world. Religion is not a method of understanding or dictating history. It is solely for the betterment and refinement of mankind via particular ethical modalities and ideological beliefs.
When one realizes the difference between the two, it makes it very easy for the two to get along.
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Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Personally, I think in their purest forms, Science and Religion are incompatable.
Nowadays it seems to me that most Civilized people trust whole-heartedly in Science, and only conform to some religious "traits" merely for Cultural reasons. Like going to Church on a Sunday or saying Grace etc etc.
Obviously however, in Theocracies and less civilized areas of the World, it's the total opposite.
I wonder how many Theists would refuse medical treatment and refer only to scripture if they became ill or wounded. Honestly, I think very few would deny/refuse medical treatment.
Nowadays it seems to me that most Civilized people trust whole-heartedly in Science, and only conform to some religious "traits" merely for Cultural reasons. Like going to Church on a Sunday or saying Grace etc etc.
Obviously however, in Theocracies and less civilized areas of the World, it's the total opposite.
I wonder how many Theists would refuse medical treatment and refer only to scripture if they became ill or wounded. Honestly, I think very few would deny/refuse medical treatment.
With all respect,
But you provided an evidence that you heard or read an accusation about the Quran and has taken it for granted without even trying to read that part of the Quran which you are referring to.
Before proving to you that you were referring to one of the Scientific Miracles in Quran, which includes unlimited number of such miracles, that many great scientists have embraced Islam because of, before that let say the following:
The Current Scientific development in the world would have not been seen without the Quran. Read the History of Science to find out how Muslims, who benefited from the Quran started the scientific revolution in Europe, and without them the renaissance would have not been there.
Now, let prove that what you thought of as a contradiction between science and the Quran, is nothing but a scientific Miracle of the Quran.
Ill state the full paragraph talking about the Issue:
He has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet together.
Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress. Quran[55:19-20]
So in the first sentence God say that the two seas do meet together, so there is no physical unbreakable barrier as you thought. However the Quran talked about some scientific phenomena preventing the sweet water from mixing with the salt water.
Did you ask yourself how an unschooled man living in a desert will even know that these two water dont mix.
This is a sign for people seeking the Truth. Sorry its not a sign for everybody. There are people who have taken a decision not to believe, no matter what proofs are available. Even if God will send them angels, they never believe.
Alceste
Vagabond
I think science and religion (or spirituality, or ethics, or wherever we draw our philosophy from) do get along, most of the time, for most people in the West. The knuckle-dragging fundies who wish to destroy science and replace it with religion are the exception, not the rule. They've got their eye on every secular institution though, not just science. It's "fundies vs everybody else", not "science vs religion."