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How can The All-Compassionate be everywhere at the same time?

sovietchild

sovietchild

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How can The Knower of All be everywhere at the same time? Is He not above the heavens? If he was everywhere then he would be in everything.

How can The Glorious be a spirit? Spirits born and die. The Magnificent was never born and He will never will die or come to an end.
 
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Kirran

Kirran

ॐ
Premium Member
So are you arguing that he is not everywhere at the same time, but has a specific location?
 
rusra02

rusra02

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sovietchild said:
How can The Knower of All be everywhere at the same time? Is He not above the heavens? If he was everywhere then he would be in everything. How can The Glorious be a spirit? Spirits born and die. The Magnificent was never born and He will never will die or come to an end.
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I agree that the true God is not omnipresent, but dwells in a definite location. I do believe that "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” Jesus Christ said this, as recorded at John 4:24. I also believe the true God is "from everlasting to everlasting " as noted at Psalm 90:2.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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rusra02 said:
I agree that the true God is not omnipresent, but dwells in a definite location. I do believe that "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” Jesus Christ said this, as recorded at John 4:24. I also believe the true God is "from everlasting to everlasting " as noted at Psalm 90:2.
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I'm happy that you chose first to emphasize on things that we agree on, whoever how can The Mighty be a spirit? Spirits born and die. Angels are created beings and are spirits. And so to say God is a spirit would imply He is a created being, which is blasphemy.
 
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Aštra’el

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I have never used the term "all-compassionate" to describe YHVH.

That said, consider our own survaillance technology and how it has evolved in just a short time. Imagine what it would be like should humanity survive another 100,000 years. Or a million. A billion.

Consider also how life as we know it might just be some grand "simulation" created by god(s). Consider how "videogames" have evolved in just a few decades, and what they might become should humanity survive another 100,000 years. Or a million. A billion. From video game to simulation to alternate universe. It would likely be simple for whatever being(s) that created this simulation, this alternate universe, to observe every human if this being(s) so wished.

Humans have a tendency to assume that advanced extraterrestrial life (such as the Celestial beings described in the bible) would perceive the world as we do, with similar senses and bodies, and thus would possess similar limitations. This is not so. Advanced intelligent life that has had millions or billions of years to evolve biologically and technologically could be unfathomable to us, perhaps even indistinguishable from nature, or so advanced that we don't even have the senses to fully comprehend them.

The above material merely considers hypothetical issues. My spiritual-religious system does not require terms like "omniscience" or "omnipotence" to describe god(s), as that is completely irrelevant to the role of god(s) in my life.

 
Kirran

Kirran

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Premium Member
For my part, I think God absolutely pervades everything, that every single object and process and thought and moment relies on God for its existence. God is closer to you than your jugular vein.
 
interminable

interminable

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Read very carefully


The concept of existence is not combined of something. This concept is simple.
Look at your around.
We and plants and animals and soil all are existents but we are completely different. The only thing that is common among us is the concept of existence.
So everywhere u look u see just existence even in empty space because non existent doesn't exist. So u can't find somewhere that is non existent.
This shows that God is unlimited and is everywhere.
When u look at empty space u can't see material objects but it doesn't mean that there isn't there anything.
 
Kirran

Kirran

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Premium Member
interminable said:
Read very carefully


The concept of existence is not combined of something. This concept is simple.
Look at your around.
We and plants and animals and soil all are existents but we are completely different. The only thing that is common among us is the concept of existence.
So everywhere u look u see just existence even in empty space because non existent doesn't exist. So u can't find somewhere that is non existent.
This shows that God is unlimited and is everywhere.
When u look at empty space u can't see material objects but it doesn't mean that there isn't there anything.
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Would you say God is existence itself then?
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
sovietchild said:
How can The Knower of All be everywhere at the same time? Is He not above the heavens? If he was everywhere then he would be in everything.
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Correct. Also, since nothing can exist that's not part of God, it makes everything part of God. In other words, pantheism is the answer. ;)

How can The Glorious be a spirit? Spirits born and die. The Magnificent was never born and He will never will die or come to an end.
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Depends on what you personally think "spirit" is. To some people, spirits are eternal, like God. Some think that God is a spirit, and that the spiritual world is the real world beyond our physical.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
How can The All-Compassionate be everywhere at the same time?

Well, as a non-dualist (God and creation are not-two), Consciousness/God/Brahman is all that ultimately exists and the universe is a thought/play/drama of God/Brahman. So, in that worldview it is reasonable to say 'God is everywhere'.
 
rusra02

rusra02

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sovietchild said:
I'm happy that you chose first to emphasize on things that we agree on, whoever how can The Mighty be a spirit? Spirits born and die. Angels are created beings and are spirits. And so to say God is a spirit would imply He is a created being, which is blasphemy.
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Jehovah said he is a spirit. I take him at his word. (2 Corinthians 3:17) Some spirits will receive immortality, according to the Bible. (1 Corinthians 15:43) And of course, Jehovah is alive forever. (Revelation 4:10) IMO, the idea that God is not a Spirit finds no support in the Holy Scriptures.
 
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