How can YHWH be the FATHER?

[Sargonski]

Did Moses encourage this mixture of devotions or discourage it?
Did the tribe of Levi who became the Levitical priesthood encourage the mixture or set to eliminate it?

Moses punishes the people for worshiping the God EL --- clearly distinguishing between the Most High God EL .. the God of their ancestors .. and this new God of Moses named YHWH. The idea that EL and YHWH are the same God is falsified by Moses discouraging the worship of this God.

The Nomadic Canaanite tribespeople that ended up as slaves in Egypt .. these people (Hyksos) having ruled Egypt for ~ a century ~ 16-1500BC - now being made slaves or pushed out of Egyptian Territory .. a mass migration ... keep in mind that the Slave Trade was a huge part of the economy .. Canaan a vassal state of Egypt to the south and Hitties to the North... national past time of was to take slaves ... and the nomadic Raiders .. were prime targets.

OK .. so you have Canaanite slaves of all kinds in Egypt from various nomatic tribes and also from the city dwellers .. the constant rebellion in the cities another source of slaves..

Now every single one of these Canaanite slaves .. along with those who are not slaves but are being forced out of the land .. via persecution .. after having ruled for a short time .. defeating Egypt .. when the Egyptians got back power the Canaanites had a rough go of it... migrating out .. a mass Exodus ...

Now .. listen carefully .. and with understanding .. Every single individual of sound mind ... without exception .. knows who EL is .. These people are Canaanites ..and this is the Most High God of the Assembly of EL .. this is the Most HIgh God of the Divine Council .. .. Every single individual leaving Egypt .. and the Egyptians .. and every other nation from Babylon to Greece from Tyre (Phonecians) to Britain - and the proto-Vikings ..

Do you understand ? as well known to the known world as Jesus is to Kentucky .. U understand ? Good.

Now .. during this mass migration these people are integrated back into their old Tribes .. .. and hang out in the hills and assumilate back for a century .. the Midianites is one example who would have taken in the migrating hoards .. Edomites as well .. and it is among these tribes that we get this YHWH character among the Pahtheon... the difference between a Patron God .. a National God .. both being Gods of the Earth So to speak .. these Gods having power over the earth .. and the more Distant Gods of the Heaens .. where EL was situated at this point.... having given up earthly powers long ago to the Sons of God .. the famous Bnei Elohim .. mentioned in the Bible numerous times. Everyone knows about the bnei Elohim .. and the Elohim in general .. how they came down to earth and created Humans .. and did so "Like them .. in Their Image" ... this creation able to have sex with these bnei Elohim ..

and Don't call me wonky .. cause that is what they all believed .. just like the Bible says ... it is more truth than fiction in that ancient story .. which you can now read the details of on-line. Truth in the Bible I mean .

So the first we hear of this God who will go on to become the national God of Israel ( Note to self .. Not the Most High God of Israel) EL is always the Most High one you have anything resembling a uninificationn of the tribes for fighting. .. the Bible tells us that tribes never actually give up the worship of EL -- never mind the Belief .. everyone believes in many gods .. regardless of how many of them they worship.. and they know the stories of creation ..

When King David Takes Jerusalem .. the patron God of Jerusalem at the time is a God named Zedek .. and the King's name is Adoni-Zedek . Very often a king would take the name of the Patron or National God .. or even the heavenly Host such as Shamash .. EL .. you find Enlil in the name babylonian kings .. and they talk about him all the time in corrospondence .. May Enlil bless you and keep you blah blah blah .. everyone knows who Enlil is .. the Most High God of UR .. where Abe comes from .. EL is the Canaanite Enlil .. Illil - Elah and as you might have guessed .. this Most High God .. goes on to become the root word for God in Canaanite .. EL the High God . Head of the divine Council .. his presence so great some of the other Gods could not bear it .. Hebrew is a branch of Canaanite .. hence the use of the term EL for God.. taking note of when this term is generic for God .. and when it means the actual Most High God El .. such as is the case in the phrase "Assembly of EL" .. we have no doubt who this is referring to in Psalm 82

but back to David and the Canaanite Presthood that has been in Jerusalem for at least 800 Years Melchi-Zedek 1800BC .. to Adoni-Zedek. ~1000BC "Adoni-Zedek" = my god is Zedek

Now after rampaging around the land .. taking city after city and destroying everything .. priests and all .. what do you think is going to happen to the Zadokite Priesthood ? do you think their priests are going to have a good time ? This is the Canaanite Priesthood of the Most High God EL .. the name of the HIgh Priest at the time Zadok (Zedek) .

now Zedek - Patron God of Jerusalem is the twin God of Justice and Righteousness .. Jerusalem not just any city . it is a Religious center .. way high up on a mountain .. Salem - Peace .. Jerusalem the City of Peace . So you have these lords of Justice and righteousness .. sitting at the right hand of "The Father" in the divine assembly. and there is an image and a trinity you should ponder .. Melchi-Zedek .. the name for which the priestly order of Melchi-Zedek went by forever more .. the Canaanite Priest KIng .. being both Priest and King .. The Prince of the City of Peace .. Lord of Justice .. and Righteousness.

You are welcome for the history lesson now understanding that the Priestly order of Melchi-Zedek is not the Priestly order of YHWH .. as you point out .. the Levitical Priesthood is that of YHWH .... the Aaronite Priesthood

so .. at Jerusalem we have the Zadokite Priesthood when David shows up .... what happens to this priesthood and its priests ?

Do they A) 3 priests get put into a furnace but are not harmed B) slaughtered like all the other filthy priests of foreign gods C) welcomed into the Israelite Pantheon .. and placed at the thead of the Royal Religious Cult .. while YHWH being the National God having a great Temple built in his honor .. which will feature the worship of many Gods .. in conjunction with YHWH .. (Just Sayin)

and last .. why don't you know this story ?? should be a no brainer for any Christian don't you think ? .. things that make you go hmmmmm.. but why ? oh why ? . why why why should you know about the priesthood of Melchi-Zedek ? Because that is the "Will of the Father" Matt 7:21-22 .. the doing of which gains one entrance into the Kingdom of heaven. .. which is kind of the point of being a Christian .. Right !?

 

[teage]

What am I getting at? I really told you already.
You come to the Bible loaded with pre-conceived biases which you want to read into the text.
All your historical research furnishes the fuel for the task. This is your "Any god BUT YHWH" Old Testament theology.

I'm sorry, its just an historical fact. That actually was the hard part.
I came to the bible to prove to myself it is real. Turns out it is just another ancient belief made by ancient nomads trying to explain life. Master story tellers as one would expect from a time with little to no entertainment. I don't have to accept silly tales of 900 yr life spans and we all came from one race of humans, all that is debunked with science. What a night it would be to sit around a camp fire with one of these people. Still, I think there is truth in it. I think that because while doing my research I began to notice other ancient belief systems with similar, sometimes almost identical stories from around the world. Even the Americas. So yes I believe there is truth in it. I just believe its being looked at the wrong way.

 

[teage]

Did Moses encourage this mixture of devotions or discourage it?
Did the tribe of Levi who became the Levitical priesthood encourage the mixture or set to eliminate it?

Moses encouraged "obedience" period.
I get what you are saying, but the fact is, there was an overlap (mixture). Yahweh and El started out two separate deities. It was not till latter that they merged and it is evident in the historical records.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Moses punishes the people for worshiping the God EL --- clearly distinguishing between the Most High God EL .. the God of their ancestors .. and this new God of Moses named YHWH. The idea that EL and YHWH are the same God is falsified by Moses discouraging the worship of this God.


Now .. listen carefully .. and with understanding .. Every single individual of sound mind ... without exception .. knows who EL is .. These people are Canaanites ..and this is the Most High God of the Assembly of EL .. this is the Most HIgh God of the Divine Council .. .. Every single individual leaving Egypt .. and the Egyptians .. and every other nation from Babylon to Greece from Tyre (Phonecians) to Britain - and the proto-Vikings ..
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Do you understand ? as well known to the known world as Jesus is to Kentucky .. U understand ? Good.

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You are welcome for the history lesson now understanding that the Priestly order of Melchi-Zedek is not the Priestly order of YHWH .. as you point out .. the Levitical Priesthood is that of YHWH .... the Aaronite Priesthood

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and last .. why don't you know this story ?? should be a no brainer for any Christian don't you think ? .. things that make you go hmmmmm.. but why ? oh why ? . why why why should you know about the priesthood of Melchi-Zedek ? Because that is the "Will of the Father" Matt 7:21-22 .. the doing of which gains one entrance into the Kingdom of heaven. .. which is kind of the point of being a Christian .. Right !?

Well you certainly put in a lot of labor to that reply.
Nothing like getting a taste of one's own medicine in verbose responses.

I'll have to finish the second half of that article latter.

 

[Sargonski]

Well you certainly put in a lot of labor to that reply.
Nothing like getting a taste of one's own medicine in verbose responses.

I'll have to finish the second half of that article latter.

You asked about the Priesthood .. to which there is no short answer

 

[Sargonski]

What am I getting at? I really told you already.
You come to the Bible loaded with pre-conceived biases which you want to read into the text.
All your historical research furnishes the fuel for the task. This is your "Any god BUT YHWH" Old Testament theology.

This is rich .. pardon my jumping in but .. the "pre-conceived idea" is that YHWH is the God of Jesus and the only God of the Israelites ..and the God of Abraham. This is priceless projection Right !

all your "Historical Research" is cried out ?! - were you upset that the Biblical Archaeology confirms what the Bible tells us .. for those with eyes not blinded by pre-conceived Biases .

Jesus is a Priest of the Order Melchi-Zedek Zedek .. the twin god(s) Justice and Righteous .. that sit at the right hand of "The Father" , who art in "Heaven" .. hallowed be thy name (which is not YHWH - as the God of the Zadokite Priesthood is the most high God EL .. most high God of the Canaanite Pantheon .. head of the Divine Council .. Father , Creator)

Jerusalem = City of Peace . Patron God = Zedek, Justice Righteousness .. seated at the right hand of "The Father" the Prince of Peace . Lord of Justice and Righteousness. .. "a Priest forever of the order Melchi-Zedek" '

Did you not hear the Good News ? -- to follow Jesus .. don't hafe to make, enter into nor keep the covenant with YHWH .. no need to follow those rules .. as everything has been fulfilled .. this the holy sacrifice .. and tell me what you will feed the sheep .. what is the sacrificial meal ? . what is being sacrificed .. symbolicly Jesus is what >>>>>> Logos >>>>> the physical representation of God's word .. the physical representation of the Covenant .. the sacrifie to release the world from the covenant with the evil demiurge .. for those that wish to accept.

Yeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwzzzzzaaaaa .. how many preconcieved biases that you brought to the table got run over by Melchi-Zedek. So it is written .. So it shall be Done !

 

[1213]

...and that YHWH is a Son of EL...

Please tell where in the Bible it is said: "YHWH is a Son of EL"?

And then .. tell us about the nature of the tester of souls .. Chief "God" over the earth ... with great godly powers like that of Greek Gods like Zeus or Posidon .. the "son of God" sent by EL to Test Jesus .. is this an Angel or a lesser God .. or both .. or neither.

Please give first the scriptures you are referring to.

 

[1213]

...Hence, when the Lord Jesus the man said, "i desired to gather yourchildren together, the way a hengathers her brood under her wings," He indicated that He was God Himself.
...

Jesus told that he did what God had commanded him to speak and do. I think that indicates he was the mediator between God and men, as Paul says.

I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don’t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.
John 5:30
Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.
John 7:16
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:49
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Should I believe you or Jesus?

...There is nothing like the pure word of God.....

I agree with that.

 

[Sargonski]

Please tell where in the Bible it is said: "YHWH is a Son of EL"?

Please give first the scriptures you are referring to.

Deuteronomy 32:8 .. make sure to use a translation that is not pious fraud - something prior to the MT = "Sons of God" NOT - "Sons of Israel"

Are you seriously asking for scripture for the Tester of Souls ??? and already gave you Job .. page 1 .. and how is it you are not familiar with the Testing of Jesus .. Matt 4 - 4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
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and so on .. did you not know that powerful Son of God who tormented Job was the same tester of souls sent to test Jesus ? .. This God the chief God over the earth revealed to us later in the chapter..

Jesus refers to the God of the Earth in John 12 .. as does Paul in Corinthians 4:4 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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U understand now who the "God of this Age" is .. Ye old trickster Right !?

 

[teage]

This is rich .. pardon my jumping in but .. the "pre-conceived idea" is that YHWH is the God of Jesus and the only God of the Israelites ..and the God of Abraham. This is priceless projection Right !

all your "Historical Research" is cried out ?! - were you upset that the Biblical Archaeology confirms what the Bible tells us .. for those with eyes not blinded by pre-conceived Biases .

Jesus is a Priest of the Order Melchi-Zedek Zedek .. the twin god(s) Justice and Righteous .. that sit at the right hand of "The Father" , who art in "Heaven" .. hallowed be thy name (which is not YHWH - as the God of the Zadokite Priesthood is the most high God EL .. most high God of the Canaanite Pantheon .. head of the Divine Council .. Father , Creator)

Jerusalem = City of Peace . Patron God = Zedek, Justice Righteousness .. seated at the right hand of "The Father" the Prince of Peace . Lord of Justice and Righteousness. .. "a Priest forever of the order Melchi-Zedek" '

Did you not hear the Good News ? -- to follow Jesus .. don't hafe to make, enter into nor keep the covenant with YHWH .. no need to follow those rules .. as everything has been fulfilled .. this the holy sacrifice .. and tell me what you will feed the sheep .. what is the sacrificial meal ? . what is being sacrificed .. symbolicly Jesus is what >>>>>> Logos >>>>> the physical representation of God's word .. the physical representation of the Covenant .. the sacrifie to release the world from the covenant with the evil demiurge .. for those that wish to accept.

Yeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwzzzzzaaaaa .. how many preconcieved biases that you brought to the table got run over by Melchi-Zedek. So it is written .. So it shall be Done !

where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
— Hebrews 6:20

Melchisedech, Melchisedec or Malki Tzedek, was the king of Salem and priest of El Elyon (often translated as 'most high God')

I believe I'm more hooked now than when I first started. I was very discouraged at first.
Truly is AWESOME.

 

[1213]

Deuteronomy 32:8 .. make sure to use a translation that is not pious fraud - something prior to the MT = "Sons of God" NOT - "Sons of Israel"

Are you seriously asking for scripture for the Tester of Souls ??? and already gave you Job .. page 1 .. and how is it you are not familiar with the Testing of Jesus .. Matt 4 - 4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
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and so on .. did you not know that powerful Son of God who tormented Job was the same tester of souls sent to test Jesus ? .. This God the chief God over the earth revealed to us later in the chapter..

Jesus refers to the God of the Earth in John 12 .. as does Paul in Corinthians 4:4 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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U understand now who the "God of this Age" is .. Ye old trickster Right !?

And you said previously:
"And then .. tell us about the nature of the tester of souls .. Chief "God" over the earth ... with great godly powers like that of Greek Gods like Zeus or Posidon .. the "son of God" sent by EL to Test Jesus .. is this an Angel or a lesser God .. or both .. or neither."

I don't think those scriptures tells Satan has the powers you say he had. It is also not said Satan is the chief God. By what is said in the Bible, Satan can do only that what God allows him to do. In my opinion it means he is no chief.

I also don't remember Bible saying that Satan is a son of God or angel.

 

[Sargonski]

where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
— Hebrews 6:20

Melchisedech, Melchisedec or Malki Tzedek, was the king of Salem and priest of El Elyon (often translated as 'most high God')

I believe I'm more hooked now than when I first started. I was very discouraged at first.
Truly is AWESOME.

Excellent -- Me Too . "hooked:" - call it a Heiser Moment -- when the late evangelical/ fundamentalist seminary student and professor at the main Fundi College in the US whose name escapes .. upon realizing that the "Assembly of EL" was really the Assembly of EL .. as per modern theological scholarship .. there is little doubt amount seriosus theologians of any sort .. and it is the overwhelming concensus (taught as such at Yale Divinity School .. the 28 episode series you can watch on youtube are fantastic ) .. that EL was the God of the Patriarchs .. Abe down to Jacob-Israel - Joseph into Egypt. The YHWH cult begins not with Moses but with the Midianites who Moses goes to stay with for 40 years .. taking a wife of the High Priest of a local Patron Vulcan and War God.. named Yahu. The Egyptians new this god as one of the Gods of one of the Shasu Tribes .. semetic nomadic wariors .. .. quite the going concern in those days .. these are the Hyksos .. semetic tribal peoples = Canaanites.

Moses meets this God of the Midianites .. his Father in law being the High Priest .. Moses serving under this fellow .. this is where the Cult of Yahu begins .. Yahu of the Shasu is the God that Moses takes back to Egypt to try to free some slaves .. and stop persecuting the now demonized Hyksos people . who are rapidly migrating out of Egyptian Territory back into the Hills .towards Midian. back to Nomadic tribal warriors from which they came .

So not only was hooked .. but .. it is modern sholarship .. Gives whole knew meaning to the Bible Stories .. and a whole new level of Biblical Accuracy .. once you know where - or rather How to look. an so when we look at "The Assembly of EL" .. YHWH standing among the "Sons of the Most High" in the Assembly of EL .. what does this mean ? a) from monotheistic Perspective B) from polytheistic henotheistic monolatoral perspective

Obviously a "Divine Council" of Gods makes absolutely no sense from a monotheistic Perspective. But from any other perspective the Bible makes perfect sense. Sons of God means Sons of God and well since the term bnei Elohim Elohim can be plural Sons of God(s) is probably more accurate but who is to nit pick at this point .. Sons of God .. should be translated Sons of God.

When the Gods - Elohim- are creating humans .. .. Like US .. should be translated Like Us . and "In our image" should be translated "In Our Image" .. and when some of these divine offspring come down from above ... create humans .. these humans somehow compatable sexually with these Gods because these Gods these "Adamu" women as wives .. and the offspring from these couplings results in partially divine human such as the half man half God heros in the stories of Old

Should be translated These divinities took wives because these wives are a themselves a human - God hybrid .. and so being "like Us . in Our image" as much like a neanderthal and hominids .. these can and did mate.

and .. not only should the story be translated the way it is written .. but we know for a fact that this is what everyone reading this story believed .. Everyone being not the Israelites .. who were raging polytheists their entire history .. although they knew the story too .. this is everyone's creation story.

Understand one (1) thing .. what is the story of these people with regards to the text the Canaanite Priest living in 1800 BC .. and every other priest and citizen of every other nation from Britain to the Indus Valley. they all have the same creation story .. and they are al watching the same soap opera .. and everyone has an iphone.

Imagine .. when the Missionaries went into Africa way back .. they would give a sermon in one place .. and the peopole listening would go back to their tribe and repeat the sermon "Verbatem" -- word for word. Yet these people were copletely illiterate .. had not yet learned writing.

and this is what happenes .. when your hardrive is not full of stuff .. there is more room for memory .. when you learn written language .. it sucks up alot of hard drive space.

The point of all of this is to explain that all these people knew the basics of creation .. this was their entertainment .. thier soap operah .. the stories by which they went to speep at night .. These people know which Gods were involved in creation .. who the "US" are and. how they did it . .. These people know why the Flood was sent (by Enlil, Illil, EL) and who sent it .. and how Enki (loki) brother of Enlil saved humanity by telling one of the Adamu to build a boat .. save his family.

and so when you go to one of the Temples of YHWH .. bow to the Asherah pole .. and perhaps engage with a Temple Prostitute (male or female- your choice) then a short tie in the cannibis hot box .. then over to Anat .. daughter Goddess of YHWH and consort Asherah .. these three Gods worshiped together a temple practice still going on at the Temple of YHWH in Elephantine in .. wait for it ... 400 BC .. when the Temple at Jerusalem is being rebuilt and a new Religion we know of as Judaism is in its infancy.

So when the worshiper in the Temple hears the hymn being sung in the Temple . and they hear "Assembly of EL" .. every single individual knows exactly what the Assembly of EL is .. like someone would know who Elvis was in the USA back in the Day. and they can tell you even more about the assembly than we know today . which is no small feat because we know a whole lot .. having libraries of tablets telling us all about these religious beliefs of the Canaanites .. and the Israelites are Canaanites ...

One story I have yet to fully understand is the Eden story . the Snake is not Ha Satan .. that much we can say .. my guesses are Sophia - Wizdom .. wize old dragon .. Tiamat is a possible contender primordial chaos dragon .. Enki (Ea) is also a possibility - Trickster .. my best guess is that this is like prometheus giving fire to man .. except it is Wisdom that is given to Man .. for which Sophia is punished by being forced out of heaven and down to the Earth .. hence the image in the Bible of the Big Bad God in the story driving the face of this God into the dirt with his foot.

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

Just a guess .. but the story can only make sense from a perspective of more than one God.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Jesus told that he did what God had commanded him to speak and do. I think that indicates he was the mediator between God and men, as Paul says.

He is the one Mediator between God and man.
He is God-man as that Mediator.

I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don’t seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.
John 5:30

That is right. As God become a perfect man He denied even that human perfection and lived by the Father.
John 5:30 does not mean Christ is not God-man.

Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.
John 7:16

Same as above. As God become a perfect man He denied that, lived a submissive life to the Father.
God can be expressed as ultimate autority and ultimate submission to authority at the same time.

For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:49

Same as above. God became a man yet this man put aside His perfection and was obedience under submission to the Father.
John 12:29 does not prove He is not God-man.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

God's eternal plan is to dispense His life into man. The God-man Jesus is the channel for this. The God-man Jesus Christ is the conduit for this.
And the God-man the Son of God is the one and only Mediatior for this.
First Timothy 2:5 does not say the Mediator between God and man is not a God-man.

In fact the immediatly previous verse 4 says that God desires all men not only to be saved but to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

. . . our Savior God, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth. (vs 3b,4)

Should I believe you or Jesus?

I have not contradicted what Jesus said. I have affirmed it offering you for one Matthew 23:37.
I have only embraced more of what Jesus said.

I do not ask you to believe something extra. I urge you to believe enough.

I agree with that.

Yes, we should desire the pure milk of the word that we may grow thereby unto salvation.
May we continue to grow.

As newborn babes, long for the guileless milk of the word in order that by it you may grow unto salvation,
If you have tasted that the Lord is good. (1 Pet. 2:2,3)

 

[Feedmysheep]

You asked about the Priesthood .. to which there is no short answer

So the answer to this question I should find in your article?

Did the tribe of Levi who became the Levitical priesthood encourage the mixture or set to eliminate it?

I should be able to find out your Yes they encouraged it or No they did not.
That's all I asked about the tribe of Levi in the golden calf incident.

They didn't.

 

[Sargonski]

So the answer to this question I should find in your article?

Did the tribe of Levi who became the Levitical priesthood encourage the mixture or set to eliminate it?

I should be able to find out your Yes they encouraged it or No they did not.
That's all I asked about the tribe of Levi in the golden calf incident.

They didn't.

My apologies .. Brother of Moses Aaron is the one who initiates the creation of the Golden Calf ... I assumed this makes things self evident but yes every other priest and every other person other than Moses was worshiping Bull-EL .

and throughout the history of the Israelites the priestly class is encouraging the worship of other Gods .. every Temple to YHWH having other Gods such that YHWH is worshiped alongside other Gods in the Temple ... YHWH the High God. Worshiping other Gods in the Temple of YHWH tells us what the priestly class is up to .. and when we get to Eli-Jah Yah .. Yahu of the Shasu - (paying attention to names is really important .. everything is about the Name when it comes to interactions between Gods and humans.)

Elijah himself tells that at this point in time .. 8th century - that the only prophet of YHWH left in all of Israel . 500 for Baal .. 450 for Asherah.

The male and female temple prostitutes in the Temple of YHWH .. tells us what the temple priests are encouraging .. along with the Asherah Tree .. and standing stone .. atop which a blend of Hash-Oil and Frankenscense are burned ...

All kinds of wild stuff these priests are encouraging .. as part of the worship of YHWH .. .. including the belief in many Gods at all times .. and the worship of other Gods at all times .. sans perhaps a brief couple of weeks they might worship YHWH alone in the Temple .. still believing in other Gods .. which are still in the Temple . just some Edict from that Old Guy Joshua .. or plea rather said we should worship only YHWH for the time being .. but he dies right after this plea .. each going back to their own tribes and within a few weeks "Months is pushing it" .. are back to conducting the proper cerimonies that were conducted every year to the Queen of Heaven ... Xmas was never cancelled .. they just ignored the other Gods in the Temple for a week or two .. then went right back to normal. but always believing in other Gods at all times .. in all places throughout the History of the Israelites ... and even Judah until a few weeks before the Bablonians show up and level the place "its too late baby now its too late" playing on the radio.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Did Moses encourage this mixture of devotions or discourage it?
Did the tribe of Levi who became the Levitical priesthood encourage the mixture or set to eliminate it?

The answers to all your questions depend a lot on which route you want to take. Do you want answers based on the text of Exodus 32? Or do you want this filtered through the understanding of historians and textual analysis? I'm going to assume that you want the Exodus version. The story of the Golden Calf is in Exodus 32.

Exodus 32:5
When Aaron saw [this], he built an altar in front of it, and Aaron proclaimed and said: "Tomorrow shall be a festival to the LORD." הוַיַּ֣רְא אַֽהֲרֹ֔ן וַיִּ֥בֶן מִזְבֵּ֖חַ לְפָנָ֑יו וַיִּקְרָ֤א אַֽהֲרֹן֙ וַיֹּאמַ֔ר חַ֥ג * מָחָֽר:

The word that Aaron uses is the sacred name of God, usually transliterated as YHWH. You will find it where I have inserted the *. I have removed it from the text because to us it is holy and we do not use it casually. If you wish to verify that the yod hey vav hey is indeed used in the Hebrew, I will give you a link to an online Torah, and you can view it for yourself. It is rendered in the English as LORD for the same reason: the extreme reverence shown to the divine name and the intent not to use it casually.

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Nowhere in Exodus 32 does it mention El, despite your friend's claim. YHWH is the God of the Israelites. We are not talking about El the god of the Canaanites.

There is absolutely nothing in the text that would indicate Moses being supportive in any way of the Golden Calf. In fact, he is so enraged by it, that he cast down and shattered the tablets upon which the ten commandments were written.

The Kohanim, aka the levitical priests/aaronic priests, were not the entire tribe of Levi. Aaron, the first priest, was of the tribe of Levi, and the priests were all his patrilineal descendents. The story of the Golden Calf doesn't mention any of Aaron's sons, only Aaron.

Aaron's actions are troubling, and the Jewish understanding of this is complex and highly debated.

There are those who believe Aaron failed in his leadership by compromising and capitulating to the demands of the people. It's the sort of thing that happens when a leader knows what is right, but due to pressure, allows a wrong to be done.

There are those who believe Aaron was afraid of impending chaos. The people were demoralized by Moses' long absence. They truly thought he was never coming back. That's a prescription for very bad things happening. Some would say that the reason Aaron capitulated was out of need to keep sanity and order.

There are those who view this as a teaching story. It was a test of faith for Aaron and the Israelites, and is thus a cautionary tale about the dangers of turning away from God in times of uncertainty or despair.

 

[Sargonski]

And you said previously:
"And then .. tell us about the nature of the tester of souls .. Chief "God" over the earth ... with great godly powers like that of Greek Gods like Zeus or Posidon .. the "son of God" sent by EL to Test Jesus .. is this an Angel or a lesser God .. or both .. or neither."

I don't think those scriptures tells Satan has the powers you say he had. It is also not said Satan is the chief God. By what is said in the Bible, Satan can do only that what God allows him to do. In my opinion it means he is no chief.

I also don't remember Bible saying that Satan is a son of God or angel.

6 Now the day came when[ag] the sons of God[ah] came to present themselves before[ai] the Lord—and Satan[aj] was among them. 7 The Lord said[ak] to Satan, “Where have you come from?”[al] And Satan answered the Lord,[am] “From roving about[an] on the earth, and from walking back and forth across it.”[ao] 8 So the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered[ap] my servant Job? There is no[aq] one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and turns away[ar] from evil.”
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I don't understand why you don't understand the powers of Ha Satan ... did you not read about his mighty Godly powers displayed in Job ?

To start off with This "being" is called the son of God .. and the Most High speaks to this God personally .. has assigned this God a task .. "Tester of Souls" is his Title .. the adversary .. Ha Satan .. this God both a son and agent of the Most High ..

The Most High God boasts to his Son about his servant Job .. the tester of souls chides the Father .. and they make a bet .. . poor Job gets the short end of the stick unfortunately .. Ha Satan is allowed to use Godly powers to test poor Job .. these powers including what Brother 123 ? have you not read the story ? how is it you have not read the story of Job .. at least the first page which is all one has to read to see all the exciting stuff happen ... like being able to influence humans to do what ever he likes .. brining bad people against Job .. exerts control over nature bringing fire down from the sky ..

"I don't think" and you could have left it there .. you simply did not read the story .. not even the first page ..bringing up question of disingenuous oblivion.

Now while Satan is subordinate to the Father .. does not act outside the Fathers Will .. Satan has been given power over the earth .. It is ridiculous to claim Satan is not Chief over the Earth because the Most High is more powerfull. .. this is non sequitur fallacy "B does not follow from A"

We know Ha Satan is Chief God over the Earth from when the tester of souls is testing Jesus .. .. again .. how can you not know this story and claim to be a believer ... or even one who is not a believer but has an interest in christianity .. the testing of Jesus is on the first page of the NT in Mark. just after his adoption by a God .. obtaining the God spark but has to go through the ritual testing in order for that spark to be actualized.

In Matt 4 we read 8 Again, Ha Satan took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

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This Dude(ess) has the power over the whole earth ... sounds rather Chiefly to me .. this Chief having the ability confer power over the whole world on someone else .. damn Godly powers I say. What is your problem with the fact that there are two Gods in play in this scene .. and numerous other Gods in play in the Scene from Job ? only the blind do not see .. and the deaf not hear the ding ding ding .. of more than one God in play.

one can not properly interpret the Bible from monotheistic perspective ... you will simply not know what is going on... and won't be able to make sense out of the story. Sons of God are .. Sons of God.. from a non monotheistic perspective .. what is it from a monotheistic perspective .. please explain the lie that one has to try in order to explain this in monotheistic terms .. and thus have invoked the Tester of Souls .. have bowed down and worshiped .. and for what ?? to be right in an internet chat room ? ...

Interesting historical factiod .. to the Persians lying was the worst of crimes .. had crazy punishments .. although not for lying to oneself . you could still do that .. although I wonder if that too was not frowned upon more severely ..

1) Great Godly Powers -- What is your definition of a lesser God .. these non primordial Gods .. Ahura Mazda being example of a primordial God .. .. Tiamat being another .. chaos dragon/serpent . ... those powers are at the high end of the scale .. what is your definition for Godly power at the low end of the scale ? less than our new Godly friend Ha Satan !

2) what part of Chief God over the earth is not crystal clear ? having the ability to give power over the earth to Jesus at the flick of a bic .. lighter that is ... the spark .. the flame .. the fire Fire down from the sky .. thats pretty cool don't you think ? Are you not impressed by the great Godly powers of the Tester of Souls ? ...and who do you think is the more powerful son of God .. Sataniel .. Jesus .. YHWH .. Marduk ?

 

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....and Satan[aj] was among them. ...

Does not necessary mean he was one of the sons of God.

...and they make a bet ....

Nowhere in the Bible it is said they made a bet.

...Now while Satan is subordinate to the Father .. does not act outside the Fathers Will ..

According to the Bible Satan has acted against God's will.

...We know Ha Satan is Chief God over the Earth ...

The problem with that is, Bible doesn't say so.

....Sons of God are .. Sons of God.. from a non monotheistic perspective .. what is it from a monotheistic perspective ..

Sons of God are not the same as the God. For example Bible tells that disciples of Jesus are gods children, that does not mean that they are Gods. It means for example:

…He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is right-eous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

 

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...does not mean Christ is not God-man.

Please tell, what do you mean with "God-man"? And why Bible doesn't use that word?

 

[Sargonski]

Does not necessary mean he was one of the sons of God.

Nowhere in the Bible it is said they made a bet.

According to the Bible Satan has acted against God's will.

The problem with that is, Bible doesn't say so.

Sons of God are not the same as the God. For example Bible tells that disciples of Jesus are gods children, that does not mean that they are Gods. It means for example:

This is obtuse - What then is this being .. if not a son of god .. this being is obviously divine .. humans are not allowed into the Assembly of EL .. nor Gods Personal residence in Heaven .. and God addresses this entity who is able to move back and forth from heaven .. as a Father to a Son .. and this Divine Entity with amazing Godly powers .. is hanging out with the sons of God .. so clearly on their level

How then would you like to categorize this God .. if not one of the Sons of the Most High .. .. and according to this part of the Bible .. this divinity does not act outside of God's will .. nor act against God .. they do make a wager however .. what part of that part of the story did you not understand .. Satan throws down the gauntlet and challenges God assessment of his servent Job .. bets his Father that if you take all the stuff that you gave him away .. Job would curse you to your face he says to his Father.

A divine being with Power over the whole earth .. is Chief divinity over the earth .. what part of "power over the whole earth" did you fail to comprehend ?

Who told you "Sons of God" were the same as God. You have a hierarchy among the Gods .. you have the Most High God in the heavens .. then you have lesser Gods - sons of the Supreme one as in Psalm 82 .. these Gods are not as powerful as the Most High God in the heavens although one of these Sons can become Chief God on Earth .. YHWH used to be in that position but was knocked off the thrown by a different Son of God named Marduk .. How Ha Satan usurped Marduk and moved into that position I do not know .. but Ha Satan is the head Honcho according to the Gospel of Matt