How can you dream of something that doesn't exist?

[Bthoth]

To invision anything i would have to have knowledge of what is current so that doesn't answer the question.

IN vision or create an image, I can agree. But a vision (dream etc...) can experience a different time period. You are alive NOW, experiencing today. If your previous lineage had an image convey back to when you were not even alive, that family member would not know how to describe an iphone or TV set but still see (have a mental image) of what you saw. The property of nature that can convey (transcend time) is called entanglement, a phenomena of em (light).

I know it many sound esoteric but it's an actual property of nature that is now being measured (in science) just not to the extent of conveying the amount of information that I am pointing out.

It's not magic and just about all conscious life is capable, yet unknowingly.

 

[Bthoth]

We are not taking of words but abstract thought. But where did the words come from?

man made (created them).

All words, mathematical theorem, definitions and languages............. man made (created)

It is how man created so many 'gods'

 

[ChristineM]

This painting is over 160 years old.

Spoiler: I wonder who she is texting?

 

[G.o.design]

Exactly my point words came from frequency and vibration while thoughts come from the spirit of god or energy of God which is creation itself so nothing is abstract you simply become aware of the different forms in existence

 

[dybmh]

God of man is god in spirit god of human is god of soul they arent the same man of spirit was omnivores with free reign on the planet while god of soul created humans in a garden put them on a diet of what was in the garden and was herbivores forbbiden from meat. Prove me wrong.

"they arent the same" <---------- Moses doesn't agree with you.

Deuteronomy 7:9

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וידעת כי־יהוה אלהיך הוא האלהים האל הנאמן שמר הברית והחסד לאהביו ולשמרי מצותו לאלף דור׃​

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Know therefore that יהוה (YHVH) your God, he is האלהים (HaElohim) God, the faithful God, which keeps covenant and mercy with those who love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;​

YHVH = Elohim. They ARE the same. That is the whole point.

 

[Bthoth]

mercy with those who love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Maintain personal responsibility.................... keep the commandments.

As good then as they are now.
Not lineage or pursuit of a stupid temple.

attaboy!

 

[G.o.design]

IN vision or create an image, I can agree. But a vision (dream etc...) can experience a different time period. You are alive NOW, experiencing today. If your previous lineage had an image convey back to when you were not even alive, that family member would not know how to describe an iphone or TV set but still see (have a mental image) of what you saw. The property of nature that can convey (transcend time) is called entanglement, a phenomena of em (light).

I know it many sound esoteric but it's an actual property of nature that is now being measured (in science) just not to the extent of conveying the amount of information that I am pointing out.

It's not magic and just about all conscious life is capable, yet unknowingly.

Again that's still using existing concepts even if it was the past signaling the future

 

[MikeF]

And yet the legend of the unicorn has existed in many cultures all across the world in areas where horses are said to not even existed the unicorn existed long before the simple horse so whose to say unicorns aren't the ancestors of horse like creatures and over time they choose to give up the horn to avoid being hunted to extinction.

I would first have us acknowledge that you are referencing legends. As to various origins of unicorns in different cultures, I would need to look at whatever evidence might be available, including historical timeframes and cultural cross-contamination. If you have evidence of isolated cultures with no exposure to the concept of a horse, yet forming a horse-based concept of a unicorn, I would be interested in seeing that.

Regardless, there are many imagined things that either do not exist or are impossible to exist. I do not disagree that what we imagine is built from the building blocks of what we experience, but then those imagined, non-existent things can be used as building blocks as well, to mix and match or combine in a variety of imagined ways. Then, on top of all that, these imagined creations are passed from generation to generation, available to be modified, reimagined etc over millennia of human experience, none of which ever physically existed outside abstract thought.

 

[G.o.design]

I would first have us acknowledge that you are referencing legends. As to various origins of unicorns in different cultures, I would need to look at whatever evidence might be available, including historical timeframes and cultural cross-contamination. If you have evidence of isolated cultures with no exposure to the concept of a horse, yet forming a horse-based concept of a unicorn, I would be interested in seeing that.

Regardless, there are many imagined things that either do not exist or are impossible to exist. I do not disagree that what we imagine is built from the building blocks of what we experience, but then those imagined, non-existent things can be used as building blocks as well, to mix and match or combine in a variety of imagined ways. Then, on top of all that, these imagined creations are passed from generation to generation, available to be modified, reimagined etc over millennia of human experience, none of which ever physically existed outside abstract thought.

 

[PureX]

The concept you stated defeated itself in order to imagine anything something has to exist to inspire a continuation of what you know or all humans know as knowledge so again how can you dream of something that doesn't exist? If you never seen a unicorn would you have ever imagined a long twisted horn on a horse? If you never seen a horse would you imagine it with a horn? If you never seen a horn would you imagine it being twisted? Humans have never discovered anything they simply became aware of its existence and labeled it for use.

@MikeF explained that what we humans can imagine that doesn't exist are new expressions and combinations of things that do exist. Flying elephants don't exist but elephants do, and the condition of 'flying' does to. So by combining things that do exist, we can imagine things that don't exist. (So far as we know.)

But to put it in a more complicated and succinct light, humans can imagine infinity as an actual state of being, and we can employ the idea practically. And yet we cannot possibly ever experience it, ourselves.

Interesting, isn't it.

 

[G.o.design]

@MikeF explained that what we humans can imagine that doesn't exist are new expressions and combinations of things that do exist. Flying elephants don't exist but elephants do, and the condition of 'flying' does to. So by combining things that do exist, we can imagine things that may or may not exist.

But to put it in a more complicated and succinct light, humans can imagine infinity as an actual state of being, and we can employ the idea practically. And yet we cannot possibly ever experience it, ourselves.

Interesting, isn't it.

The moment you see an elephant you confirm it's existence the moment you saw something flying you confirmed the existence of life the moment you imagined a elephant flying you confrimed the existence of elephants being able to fly although steps might be necessary to make it happen outside of your mind the moment it happened in your mind it became possible.

 

[MikeF]

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And I found this:

"Imagery on seals belonging to elite members of society depict a horse like animal (shown in profile) with a single horn protruding from its skull. Granted, this early link to unicorns IS a tenuous one, and it’s much more likely that these are instead representations of aurochs – a type of large wild cattle that formerly inhabited Europe, Asia and North Africa."​

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So perhaps not based on horses after all in those earliest notions, but on some other animal that was of their collective experience.

 

[MikeF]

The moment you see an elephant you confirm it's existence the moment you saw something flying you confirmed the existence of life the moment you imagined a elephant flying you confrimed the existence of elephants being able to fly although steps might be necessary to make it happen outside of your mind the moment it happened in your mind it became possible.

That would seem to be quite dangerous if true. What if I imagine gravity ceasing to exist and all particles of matter drifting or flying apart depending of relative velocities at the time, and now that I have imagined it it has been made possible? That would certain be the end of everything as we know it should my imagining be made real and come to pass.

While I agree that things can be imagined that do not yet exist but are possible, as in that an airplane was imagined before it was successfully designed and built, thus now existing in physical reality. Yet those imagined things still must conform to physical laws to be possible. That which violates physical laws would not be possible, such as an elephant, as they are currently genetically configured, flying without some form of technical aid.

 

[G.o.design]

And I found this:

"Imagery on seals belonging to elite members of society depict a horse like animal (shown in profile) with a single horn protruding from its skull. Granted, this early link to unicorns IS a tenuous one, and it’s much more likely that these are instead representations of aurochs – a type of large wild cattle that formerly inhabited Europe, Asia and North Africa."​

Link​

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So perhaps not based on horses after all in those earliest notions, but on some other animal that was of their collective experience.

Im not gonna pretend i got everything figured out but saying a unicorn is simply a depiction is saying dinosaurs previously labeled dragons didn't exist when bones litter the planet. If a jellyfish and platypus exist why wouldn't a horse with a single horn? Goat's got horns rhinos got hornes even moose and some rabbits got horns we know genetic mutations can occur give the right stimulus so denying anything our ancestors said just because we don't see them today is foolish. Today it's the unicorn in 100 years the house cat will be a legend.

 

[MikeF]

Im not gonna pretend i got everything figured out but saying a unicorn is simply a depiction is saying dinosaurs previously labeled dragons didn't exist when bones litter the planet. If a jellyfish and platypus exist why wouldn't a horse with a single horn? Goat's got horns rhinos got hornes even moose and some rabbits got horns we know genetic mutations can occur give the right stimulus so denying anything our ancestors said just because we don't see them today is foolish. Today it's the unicorn in 100 years the house cat will be a legend.

Perhaps further study in the biological sciences will provide a confident understanding of why not. That is the best answer I can provide for I am sure you are not going to take my word for it and this is not the setting to provide a college level understanding of the biological sciences. Best of luck in you studies!

 

[G.o.design]

Perhaps further study in the biological sciences will provide a confident understanding of why not. That is the best answer I can provide for I am sure you are not going to take my word for it and this is not the setting to provide a college level understanding of the biological sciences. Best of luck in you studies!

Nah biology is all across this planet from ants to birds to monkeys to men the possibilities in creation is endless man has already genetically modifed and engineered life forms to defy what was previously possible if man has that power what level of power would the intelligence that designed the universe have? A horse with a horn would be childs play.

 

[MikeF]

Nah biology is all across this planet from ants to birds to monkeys to men the possibilities in creation is endless man has already genetically modifed and engineered life forms to defy what was previously possible if man has that power what level of power would the intelligence that designed the universe have? A horse with a horn would be childs play.

If magical unicorns are or were real to you based on your belief in a creator entity, then there is nothing I can put forth that would alter your opinion. I simply do not share either belief.

 

[G.o.design]

"they arent the same" <---------- Moses doesn't agree with you.

Deuteronomy 7:9

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וידעת כי־יהוה אלהיך הוא האלהים האל הנאמן שמר הברית והחסד לאהביו ולשמרי מצותו לאלף דור׃​

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Know therefore that יהוה (YHVH) your God, he is האלהים (HaElohim) God, the faithful God, which keeps covenant and mercy with those who love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;​

YHVH = Elohim. They ARE the same. That is the whole point.

If you trace the genealogy you will find that moses was a descendant of seth, which makes him the bloodline of the lord. while cain was the bloodline of God his bloodline later mixes with the lord so the lord choose Jacob who had the purest blood to be israel and the start of his choosen people on earth. Delivered into the hands of your enemies which is the mankind of earth until it is destroyed and gods spirit is made whole.

 

[G.o.design]

If magical unicorns are or were real to you based on your belief in a creator entity, then there is nothing I can put forth that would alter your opinion. I simply do not share either belief.

I don't care if unicorns are real or not the fact is only ignorance will straight up deny the possibility of its existence adam in the garden was put to sleep a rib was removed sewn back together then from that rib eve was made that is proof of a scientific process they had more technology then we can imagine the entire life we life is artificial because we didn't bring ourselves into being.

 

[dybmh]

If you trace the genealogy you will find that moses was a descendant of seth, which makes him the bloodline of the lord. while cain was the bloodline of God his bloodline later mixes with the lord so the lord choose Jacob who had the purest blood to be israel and the start of his choosen people on earth. Delivered into the hands of your enemies which is the mankind of earth until it is destroyed and gods spirit is made whole.

You're ignoring the scripture and going off on a tangent. You asked any of us to prove you wrong, and I did that. Deuteronomy 7:9. It's not the only one, but it's all I need.