How convincing is the Qur'an anyway? In which respects?

[shunyadragon]

In and of itself it is not any more convincing than any other holy book such as the Bible, Torah, Tanakh, Buddhist nor Hindu scriptures.

 

[Remté]

The Quran says that two different waters cant mix. How did Muhammad know that?

 

[Remté]

In and of itself it is not any more convincing than any other holy book such as the Bible, Torah, Tanakh, Buddhist nor Hindu scriptures.

Why about your own? Or is it not even holy?

 

[shunyadragon]

Why about your own? Or is it not even holy?

No holy book stands alone in and of itself. Ancient religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam claim their holy book stands alone for all time from the point of their revelation. The continuity and Universality of Revelation, Love and Compassion of God throughout the history of humanity is the most important nature of Revelation and scripture.. I 'believe' that taken as whole the universal nature and evolution of Revelation in the Baha'i scripture is more relevant to the contemporary world

 

[shunyadragon]

The Quran says that two different waters cant mix. How did Muhammad know that?

What do you mean by two different waters? If you are considering only different waters than indeed different waters do indeed mix. If you are considering substances like water and oil, than it is simply observed knowledge universal with humanity.

 

[Remté]

What do you mean by two different waters? If you are considering only different waters than indeed different waters do indeed mix. If you are considering substances like water and oil, than it is simply observed knowledge universal with humanity.

Sea water and fresh water.

"It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed." 25:53​

 

[Shad]

Sea water and fresh water.
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"It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed." 25:53​

Fresh water mixes with sea water. This is basic chemistry from grade school....

 

[shunyadragon]

Sea water and fresh water.
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"It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed." 25:53​

The supposed barrier is temporal and not permanent. Fresh water and Sea water do indeed mix. Different specific gravities in the seas do indeed make them flow separately and some times stratify. This is a phenomenon that people may observe to draw the conclusion.

We know better today. You know, modern science.

 

[Remté]

The supposed barrier is temporal and not permanent. Fresh water and Sea water do indeed mix. Different specific gravities in the seas do indeed make them flow separately and some times stratify. This is a phenomenon that people may observe to draw the conclusion.

We know better today. You know, modern science.

Yes they mix a bit but not wholly. They remain separate nevertheless.

 

[FearGod]

The supposed barrier is temporal and not permanent. Fresh water and Sea water do indeed mix. Different specific gravities in the seas do indeed make them flow separately and some times stratify. This is a phenomenon that people may observe to draw the conclusion.

We know better today. You know, modern science.

Yes modern science, it's as simple as saying that humans can think because
they got a bigger brain.

 

[Shad]

Yes they mix a bit but not wholly. They remain separate nevertheless.

Wrong. Again this is great school chemistry a 5 year old can do.

 

[Remté]

Wrong. Again this is great school chemistry a 5 year old can do.

Then we wouldn't have Sea water and fresh water.

 

[Shad]

Then we wouldn't have Sea water and fresh water.

Wrong. Look up the water cycle and how evaporation works

 

[Remté]

Wrong. Look up the water cycle and how evaporation works

Are you saying there is no such thing as sea water and fresh water or not?

 

[Shad]

Are you saying there is no such thing as sea water and fresh water or not?

No I am pointing out you have no idea how the water cycle works.

 

[Remté]

No

Then stop wasting my time.

I am pointing out you have no idea how the water cycle works.

Of course I have. It's in the Quran.

 

[Shad]

Then stop wasting my time.

I told you exactly what information you need to look up. It isn't my problem you are incapable or unwilling to reading it.

Of course I have. It's in the Quran.

Which does not cover the water cycle and is in error.

 

[Remté]

I told you exactly what information you need to look up. It isn't my problem you are incapable or unwilling to reading it.



Which does not cover the water cycle and is in error.

It does. Point out the error then if you think there is one. I'm not holding my breath though.

You don't need to tell me or anyone what to look up if you're capable of explaining it yourself. If you're not then just don't throw it around as an explanation to a "problem" you don't even understand.

 

[Shad]

It does. Point out the error then if you think there is one. I'm not holding my breath though.

The claim about fresh and salt water not mixing. The topic that I have been talking about for the last few posts.... Try to keep up.

You don't need to tell me or anyone what to look up if you're capable of explaining it yourself. If you're not then just don't throw it around as an explanation to a "problem" you don't even understand.

This is deflection as you are unwilling to educate yourself. I told you to look it up as I should not be required to explain something taught to 10 year olds here. However since you requested to be spoon feed knowledge like a child I will oblige.

Saltwater evaporates leaving the salt within the saltwater body. The evaporated water forms into water vapor. The vapor collects in the upper atmosphere forming into clouds. Eventually these clouds become dense enough the vapor condenses into water which falls in the form of precipitation. When over land the precipitation is adding to or forming new water systems be it a body of water or underground aquifers. Eventually some of this water flows into the same or different saltwater body. The cycle repeats. This cycle is also applicable to fresh water with contaminates which do not evaporate or do at far higher temperatures. Ergo we have salt and fresh water regardless of mixing.

 

[Remté]

The claim about fresh and salt water not mixing. The topic that I have been talking about for the last few posts.... Try to keep up.



This is deflection as you are unwilling to educate yourself. I told you to look it up as I should not be required to explain something taught to 10 year olds here. However since you requested to be spoon feed knowledge like a child I will oblige.

Saltwater evaporates leaving the salt within the saltwater body. The evaporated water forms into water vapor. The vapor collects in the upper atmosphere forming into clouds. Eventually these clouds become dense enough the vapor condenses into water which falls in the form of precipitation. When over land the precipitation is adding to or forming new water systems be it a body of water or underground aquifers. Eventually some of this water flows into the same or different saltwater body. The cycle repeats. This cycle is also applicable to fresh water with contaminates which do not evaporate or do at far higher temperatures. Ergo we have salt and fresh water regardless of mixing.

I said point out the error not the topic.

That doesn't change anything.