How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[cladking]

That should be more than hint of the problems with your beliefs concerning science.

And you just ignore the fact I already stated Egyptology is pseudoscience and showed it with actual facts.

They don't agree because they used magic and the book of the dead and I used metaphysics and reason.

Why do you never address an argument?

I don't really mind because I can respond with facts.

 

[cladking]

No the scientists and Egyptologists do not remotely believe in this foolishness,

You can not name one single Egyptologist who doesn't believe the great pyramids were tombs because there are none. m Not one single one. This is heresy and colleges don't longer will graduate heretics. The world has gone mad in lockstep as the schools failed.

Specialization is a necessary evil and always will be. Most specialists are very sharp and very capable people. But specialists are usually very focused on what everyone else calls minutia. Meanwhile everyone thinks their specialty and all specialties put together is everything that is real even though human knowledge even in aggregate is virtually infinitesimal.

You could understand these words if you made an attempt and then you could tell me what you think. I would call this the art of conversation or the art of argument.

 

[cladking]

No the scientists and Egyptologists do not remotely believe in this foolishness,

You can not name one single Egyptologist who doesn't believe that the men dragging tombs up ramps weren't completely ignorant of modern science and highly superstitious. Not one single one. There is not one who thinks they didn't have beliefs and didn't even have a word for "belief". Schools do not graduate heretics.

 

[cladking]

No the scientists and Egyptologists do not remotely believe in this foolishness,

You can not name one single Egyptologist who believes the Egyptians sed anything we would might call "technology" to build the pyramids . Not one single one. The schools don't graduate heretics. There is not one single Egyptologist who believes there was a dramatic change in culture, history, science, and language between the PT and the book of the dead they used to translate it. The schools don't graduate heretics.

They all believe in changeless savages dragging tombs up ramps so there are no possible points of agreement between me and them.

 

[cladking]

I have responded to your posts for years. Your problem is clinging to ancient mythology and religion, and rejecting science.

You've responded to nothing. Where is your response to the simple fact that the word "ramp" isn't even attested? You've responded to nothing. You have said I'm wrong and then presented your beliefs based on your experts many of whom aren't even experts at all but crackpots on the web.

I know what experts think and you're not even lecturing be with experts as you usually do with Evolution. Your knowledge of this subject is not deep enough to recognize expertise.

 

[cladking]

That could work. The main idea was to not have men straining over each block of stone, but rather create a work effort that can last over the days shift. Carrying a 50 pound pack up a ramp and then a rest as they walk downhill. When it is time to lift the empty sand container back up, the slaves coming down can help pull the rope.

Two other considerations are when moving a weight W up a ramp, the force needed is W* sin(alpha) or a fraction of the weight. This allow the container to be smaller. If the ramp was 20 degrees the weight becomes 0.34W needing less sand.

The real gain is to lower the friction between the stone and the ramp. This can be done with rollers; logs, as show below.

All mechanical advantage by definition increases total work through friction. The problem isn't so much that ramps are impossible to build, they are impossible to operate because total work would be so high you can't enough men on the ramps to do it. This is exactly why even the best engineers have never been able to design a ramping system that would work. Every one of them has severe fatal flaws in logic and design.

There is no solution using ancient technology and materials. Bot enough men can work at one time even if you could design a system. A one foot tall ant couldn't stand up on its flimsy little legs and you can't drag 6 1/2 million tons up a ramp to build and clad a pyramid. It's an engineering impossibility.

If you reduce friction the stone will slide back down a slope and kill people. No matter what you do the total work required is too great. You could design it with modern materials if you could find 40,000 men willing to slave in the desert sun. Good luck with that.

It would only take about 15,000 men to drag the stones straight up the sides from step tops and this work is far easier. Or you could pump water up and use it in counterweights to lift the stones as a few hundred men sat around watching the machines lift them up to the step tops. It is this last that is evidenced at Giza. There were only a couple thousand men, women, and children who did all the work. Women could operate machines as well as men. Ask Rosie the Riveter. Children had numerous functions as well.

The evidence clearly shows how it was done.

 

[cladking]

• When an object moves up a ramp, the force required to move it is reduced compared to lifting it straight upward. This is because the force is distributed over a longer distance.
• The input force required to move the object up the ramp is less than the force required to lift it vertically, but the distance the object moves is greater.

Total work increases.

And you have to build a ramp.

 

[cladking]

This is also the basis of a funicular

No. Not really. A funicular operates on the conversion of Ep to Ek so the same force will operate it no matter how steep, even vertical. The steeper a ramp the more stinky footed bumpkins are needed to drag the load. When it gets too steep the men can't drag the load and steeper yet they can't even walk. A funicular doesn't need a shower and a good meal at the end of a hard days work. Hell, it's better if you don't even water it.

Mechanical advantage becomes insignificant as you approach vertical and so do frictional losses. On the 72 degree step sides where all men feared to tred friction and mechanical advantage are irrelevant except for the lowing of the dndndr-boat.

 

[cladking]

Rollers unfortunately won't work up the side of an unclad pyramid, but a stoneboat would reduce friction losses.

Interesting they still call it a "boat".

The funicular at Giza was two boats tied together.

1376a. The ropes are knotted; the boats of N. are tied together

1742b. The ropes are tied, the boats are assembled,

1766b. ----- the men and his two boats.

It is our brother who is bringing this (boat) for these bridge-girderers (?) of the desert

138c. thou descendest on firm (copper?) cables, on the shoulders of Horus in his name of "He who is in the Ḥnw-boat."

210b. thou risest, thou settest, thou risest with Isis;

1826b. [he lifts thee up into] the ḥnw-boat, in thy name of "Seker."

1771a. To say: N. is a well-equipped spirit, who asks to be ... conducts Rē' into his two boats of mȝ'.t.

These words are invisible to Egyptologists but anyone reading this thread should see them.

 

[Pogo]

Total work increases.

And you have to build a ramp.

Yes there are losses due to friction, unless you have an imaginary skyhook, engineering is all about reducing them.
You have posited something you call a funicular, how does this avoid frictional losses? How does it actually raise the stone?
Where is your evidence for a pump that could pump 600 gallons of water per minute up with the necessary head and just what are the losses in this system. just telling us it wasn't a ramp is ultimately meaningless without a demonstrable alternative.

You are very good at asserting everyone else is wrong, but beyond asserting and claiming you have it all figured out in your head because you understand something that you can't show us exists or even existed. You have done nothing to dissuade anyone from the understanding that your arguments are nothing but a fantasy based on some sort of internal reuse of words and language.

 

[cladking]

You have posited something you call a funicular, how does this avoid frictional losses?

Frictional losses are tiny and irrelevant. You don't need dozens of more men for friction, just a few more gallons of water. It is not only far easier because you don't need men but it is far more efficient so you don't need as much water. You don't need ramps and don't need to take care of thousands and thousands of workers. You need much less materiel and supplies. Less food, Less room for the workers. Less first aid, medical care, and water. Fewer shoes to wear out. Instead of 60,000 men you could have 4000 men women and children exactly as is evidenced.

Instead of digging lots of graves for men mangled in accidents you could have a tiny little builders cemetery with men women and children in it exactly as there is.

That's a lot less friction.

Pyramid building season started on June 21st with a huge 5 day party called the w3g-festival and culminating with the transformation of the king into a pyramid by being cremated on the east side on top of the first step. The pyre was called "the iskn of heaven". The king had been the victim of regicide just a few weeks earlier after failing the Sed and his body dehydrated and mummified for easy burning. He burned like a candle and ascended to heaven on the smoke of incense. After these ceremonies was the the w3g-feast.

This species that built the pyramid was far more highly dependent on ritual than ours. They used all different mnemonics than ours. Ritual and ceremony helped keep them all on the same page. Without abstractions they practiced their humanity in other ways.

 

[Pogo]

No. Not really. A funicular operates on the conversion of Ep to Ek so the same force will operate it no matter how steep, even vertical. The steeper a ramp the more stinky footed bumpkins are needed to drag the load. When it gets too steep the men can't drag the load and steeper yet they can't even walk. A funicular doesn't need a shower and a good meal at the end of a hard days work. Hell, it's better if you don't even water it.

Mechanical advantage becomes insignificant as you approach vertical and so do frictional losses. On the 72 degree step sides where all men feared to tred friction and mechanical advantage are irrelevant except for the lowing of the dndndr-boat.