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How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

cladking

Well-Known Member
In 2013, a joint team of French and Egyptian archaeologists discovered a remarkable find in a cave at the ancient Red Sea port of Wadi el-Jarf—hundreds of inscribed papyrus fragments that were the oldest ever unearthed in Egypt. As Egyptologists Pierre Tallet and Gregory Marouard detailed in a 2014 article in the journal Near Eastern Archaeology, the ancient texts they discovered included a logbook from the 27th year of the reign of the pharaoh Khufu that described the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

More nonsense. The story is true but the story contradicts Egyptological beliefs. They thought the Khufu only ruled 24 years but in fact it was AT LEAST 27. Everything ever learned has contradicted Egyptological beliefs so they force fit the evidence to suit or they won't allow publication at all. These are not scientists and they don't use science. They are parsing words and making conclusions based on a book of ritual they think is a book of incantation because they used horrendous methodology to solve it.

We are on the exact same side here and you don't know it because you have sucked in by pseudoscience.

This diary only confirms that the stones originated on the other side of the Nile but this was ALREADY ESTABLISHED fact so of course they came across of boats!

It supports my theories quite well. It does not in any way support any Egyptological beliefs.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Okay.

Stand clear.

I'll be honored to be the first struck. I'll pray for a glancing blow or clean miss.

But the Bible doesn't say the second and third stones can't be hurled by infidels and heretics. The Bible is pretty wise that way since it comes from ancient science; wise men (homo sapiens).
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
More nonsense. The story is true but the story contradicts Egyptological beliefs. They thought the Khufu only ruled 24 years but in fact it was AT LEAST 27. Everything ever learned has contradicted Egyptological beliefs so they force fit the evidence to suit or they won't allow publication at all. These are not scientists and they don't use science. They are parsing words and making conclusions based on a book of ritual they think is a book of incantation because they used horrendous methodology to solve it.

We are on the exact same side here and you don't know it because you have sucked in by pseudoscience.

This diary only confirms that the stones originated on the other side of the Nile but this was ALREADY ESTABLISHED fact so of course they came across of boats!

It supports my theories quite well. It does not in any way support any Egyptological beliefs.
More nonsense. No competent academic sources just Gibberish
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A number od ancient cultures built immense monuments and structures as feats of engineering, Despite claims of mystic tofu, Gods and supernatural explanations the methods of engineering and construction is reasonably well known and explained by the engineering and technology at the time they were built.

How did the Egyptians build the pyramids? The following is the first simple reference with an explanation based on archeological evidence, More to follow.

History's Greatest Mystery


The oldest of the most famous pyramids in the world is also the largest. At 481 feet (146.5 meters) tall, it's not called the Great Pyramid of Giza for nothing. It was constructed at the order of Pharoah Khufu sometime around 2560 B.C.E., although how it was actually constructed has been shrouded by history. Still, bit by bit, archaeologists have been able to explain various mechanisms behind the building's construction. The stones themselves were mined from a quarry just south of the pyramid, and researchers believe that their journey across the desert was made easier by wetting the sand first. But that only explains how the stones got from one location to another, not how they were then lifted high into the air and deposited in an enormous triangle.

Researchers believed that action would have involved a ramp of some sort, and that's a pretty fair guess. It's not as if they had a five-story crane. But as for the actual evidence of such a ramp? Researches were coming up empty-handed. It's a particular challenge because the ramp would have needed to be very steep — an incline of about 20 degrees or so — and that would have posed a significant challenge for a 2.5 ton stone. Now, a new discovery at a different quarry might shed light on how ancient people managed such a feat.

A Ramp Above


At Hatnub, another rock quarry located in Egypt's eastern desert, an Anglo-French team found a very unusual ramp carved into the ground that hinted at some surprisingly advanced technological achievements. For one thing, it was pretty steep, but more significantly, it was flanked on both sides by staircases. These stairs were marked with recurring holes that could have contained wooden posts (which would have rotted away long ago). According to the mission's co-director Yannis Gourdon, "This kind of system has never been discovered anywhere else." What's more, it's dated to about 4,500 years ago, well before construction began on Khufu's big legacy.

Roland Enmarch, another scholar who participated in the expedition, noted that the patterns of the post holes in the stairs suggested a particular kind of rope-and-pulley system. Similar pulley systems are well-documented in Greek technology, but this discovery predates those devices by some 2,000 years. Since this specific ramp is cut into the rock itself, it wouldn't have been used to build the actual Great Pyramid. But it does suggest that the ancient Egyptians had a firm grasp on the kinds of simple machines that can be used to turn an impossible amount of hard work into just a whole lot of hard work.

More references to follow . . .
I'm reminded that Amphion built his share of the walls of the citadel of Thebes, moving the stones simply with the power of his music and the golden lyre that Apollo had given him.

I say (respectfully, of course) that this method is vastly more likely than anything @cladking may propose.

Orpheus is on record as shifting stones around just by music too.

Yep, they knew a trick or two, them ancient guys!
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
and notes that the limestone blocks exhumed at Tura, which were used to cover the pyramid’s exterior,

No. This is an assumption.

It does not detail where the stones were destined. It also doesn't actually say Merer's boat was intended to haul stones for Giza. A careful reading suggests Merrer operated a tug boat that loaded the boats and that as he was shifted from place to place carried a few stones for efficiency. People see what theyu believe and they believe in ramps and they beleve the Turah Mines could produce 100,000 tons of tura limestone and transport it in a year.

Nonsense! All the Indiana limestone mines working in tandem would require ten years to build the infrastructure neccessary to produce 10,000 tons a year. The cost would be staggering.

The Turah Mines required nearly thirty years to produce and ship all this stone.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
But you can't summarize it in a simple sentence so I know what you believe is evidence!!!

Here's a drawing of the henu boat that is slightly confused from later times.
View attachment 100080

That's the pyramid on the left and the stones on board. I can explain every aspect of this drawing. What have you got besides beliefs and mustta?
What is this supposed to demonstrate, that stone was transported? Please explain the significance?
Us stinky footed bumpkins who know how to raise our houses with simple machines to replace half ton sill beams by ourselves wonder?
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
More nonsense. The story is true but the story contradicts Egyptological beliefs. They thought the Khufu only ruled 24 years but in fact it was AT LEAST 27. Everything ever learned has contradicted Egyptological beliefs so they force fit the evidence to suit or they won't allow publication at all. These are not scientists and they don't use science. They are parsing words and making conclusions based on a book of ritual they think is a book of incantation because they used horrendous methodology to solve it.

We are on the exact same side here and you don't know it because you have sucked in by pseudoscience.

This diary only confirms that the stones originated on the other side of the Nile but this was ALREADY ESTABLISHED fact so of course they came across of boats!

It supports my theories quite well. It does not in any way support any Egyptological beliefs.

How large does a boat need to be to transport a 2.4 tonne block?

How do you get the stone into the centre of the boat?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
But you can't summarize it in a simple sentence so I know what you believe is evidence!!!

Here's a drawing of the henu boat that is slightly confused from later times.
View attachment 100080

That's the pyramid on the left and the stones on board. I can explain every aspect of this drawing. What have you got besides beliefs and mustta?
Simply the Egyptians quarried the sone, transported it by boat and built the pyramids
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I'm reminded that Amphion built his share of the walls of the citadel of Thebes, moving the stones simply with the power of his music and the golden lyre that Apollo had given him.

I say (respectfully, of course) that this method is vastly more likely than anything @cladking may propose.

Orpheus is on record as shifting stones around just by music too.

Yep, they knew a trick or two, them ancient guys!
Trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho. Seriously, the ancients had some bad *** music. Wish I had been there. Probably some true metal in those days.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
I say (respectfully, of course) that this method is vastly more likely than anything @cladking may propose.

Remarkable.

You'd sooner believe in magic than the existence of momentum and potential energy be harnessed to do work!!!

People are strange. We reason in circles to know everything and then are nearly blind to evidence that doesn't support us.

Doctrine rules. Kill the heretics.
 

GoodAttention

Well-Known Member
Very large

Very carefully

Good one.

Yes I’m holding to the theory of limestone being ground down and then cast into blocks.

It’s clear the Egyptians had Moh’s Hardness scale down pat, I mean they have statues made of quartz, so they had to use a harder stone to carve such items.

Ruby? Diamonds even?
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Very large

Nonsense.

The Edmund Fitzgerald was hauling 24,000 tonnes.

Water is very heavy so displacing 2.4 tonnes to float a stone is a mere 300 gallons. It's nothing.

Then if you have that 300 gallons on top of something, no matter how tall, you can lift that 2.4 t stone all the way to the top.

People no longer understand physics. Even physicists don't always understand. Most Egyptologists think a 2.4 t stone can float up a ramp on its mechanical advantage.

Everyone knows everything so nobody has to think too much. Homo omnisciencis.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Very carefully

No!

In all probability this is exactly Merrer was doing. The boat was tied to the dock the stone was tied so it could go to the center of the boat and Merrer used wind and water to pull it onto the boat.

All this can be deduced when you understand how they think. Of course I have some things wrong. So what? The builders still used linear funiculars built and operated by the gods to enable the gods to build pyramids.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
No. This is an assumption.

It does not detail where the stones were destined. It also doesn't actually say Merer's boat was intended to haul stones for Giza. A careful reading suggests Merrer operated a tug boat that loaded the boats and that as he was shifted from place to place carried a few stones for efficiency. People see what theyu believe and they believe in ramps and they beleve the Turah Mines could produce 100,000 tons of tura limestone and transport it in a year.

Nonsense! All the Indiana limestone mines working in tandem would require ten years to build the infrastructure neccessary to produce 10,000 tons a year. The cost would be staggering.

The Turah Mines required nearly thirty years to produce and ship all this stone.
Why are any of your calculations significant? So maybe it took them a while and it was more wasteful than many budget items, the assertion by itself is useless.
 

cladking

Well-Known Member
Good one.

Yes I’m holding to the theory of limestone being ground down and then cast into blocks.

It’s clear the Egyptians had Moh’s Hardness scale down pat, I mean they have statues made of quartz, so they had to use a harder stone to carve such items.

Ruby? Diamonds even?

There's good reason to believe some blocks were cast. Frankly I doubt it was more than a few and most of the evidence suggesting it is caused by the deposition of calcium carbonate.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Remarkable.

You'd sooner believe in magic than the existence of momentum and potential energy be harnessed to do work!!!

People are strange. We reason in circles to know everything and then are nearly blind to evidence that doesn't support us.

Doctrine rules. Kill the heretics.
Ah, your alter ego is back, now you will explain to us how the use of Newtonian physics will allow us to move weights up a ramp.

Oh, and just for ? 2.4 tons is more like 600 gallons, not 300.
 
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